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On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 12:29 PM, Ann Wild wrote:
When a member tries to subscribe to our group, I write to that person via my own private email, but using the address from the pending member list, to request the information I need to allow that person to join.? The bothersome part is that the email I send shows as coming from my this address: my email name@... and NOT simply my own private email address.? Yesterday, because of that, I was unable to reach an icloud.com pending member on my PC and had to trying again on my iPad, which worked, but is not usable for some other actions on groups.io.Ann, why not use a Pending Subscription notice? You customize it anyway you want, including hyperlinks. Goes to your group owner email address. Much of it is automatic, after you set it up. /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Screening-New-Members-Using-the-Pending-Subscription-Notice Frances ? -- Moving to Groups.io (without easy transfer)
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On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 02:28 PM, Ann Wild wrote:
Thanks---I know that is possible, but I prefer the personal approach. My real question is what generates the email address [my email name = xxx . com @ groups.io] when I do send a personal message from my xxx . com address.? That is not an email address I want or one that anyone can reply to. I need to know what generates it so I can avoid it.Just so others can more easily see your issue, here's your first email: When a member tries to subscribe to our group, I write to that person via my own private email, but using the address from the pending member list, to request the information I need to allow that person to join. ?The bothersome part is that the email I send shows as coming from my this address: my email name@... and NOT simply my own private email address. ?Yesterday, because of that, I was unable to reach an icloud.com pending member on my PC and had to trying again on my iPad, which worked, but is not usable for some other actions on groups.io.?
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My question is what generates this email address and how can I avoid it? ?No one can reply to it, and I don't want it. ?I just want replies sent to my private email unless there is a way to reply to the owner address. (I copy all these messages to the owner address.)
A bit of an aside, but the iCloud.com email problem was just a hiccup. It is not dependent on the device you use to send the email. The iCloud address is just an email address. Frances -- Moving to Groups.io (without easy transfer)
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Ann,
On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 02:28 PM, Ann Wild wrote:Via your own private email from your own Email Provider/Client? If not, why not? but using the address from the pending member list,to the Pending Member's email address (right?) to request the information I need to allow that person to join. The bothersome part is that the email I send shows as coming from my this address: my email name@... and NOT simply my own private email address.If you want it to simply come from your private email address, why not send it: From: your private email address To: the Pending Member's email address CC: [email protected] Additionally, you could explain and request that the Pending Member 'Reply All' so that you and the other Owner and Moderators receive their response. (Of course, you will still have to go to your Group's website to approve, delete, reject, or ban the Pending Member) Michael |
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On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 01:28 PM, Ann Wild wrote:
[my email name = xxx . com @ groups.io]That's generated by GIO when a message is sent from the site.? See /static/help#dmarc? If you're sending directly from your email address to the person, it shouldn't go through the site, so not sure what you're doing. Duane -- GMF's Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Help: /static/help Search button at the top of Messages list A few site FAQs: /static/pricing#frequently-asked-questions |
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Ann,
That is exactly what I did, including the cc, but it turned out thatI'm a little confused. Firstly as to how you know what the From line showed, as received by the pending member? As others have said, that kind of manipulation of one's From address happens only when Groups.io sends the message. It would happen, for example, if you used the group's Send Message feature on the pending member. Your own email interface wouldn't do that. So if that's what you were using I think you must be seeing something other than the From as it would have been received by that pending member. Maybe if I delete that address from my Contacts, it might help.That would normally only cause a confusion with the Display Name part of a received message, not the From of a sent message. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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SamiJo,
Re the email address generated by something [DMARC] I would alsoDo you mean that you cannot send To that address? If you are copying the address and pasting it into a reply message then you need to "undo" the change after you paste, but before you send. user@... -> user@... That is, delete the @groups.io part and change the = to an @ sign. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 01:21 PM, Ann Wild wrote:
It just happened again.? I sent a message via my private email in reply to to a pending member and cc'd the owner address.? In that cc, the From line was, as I explained, my email name = xxx . com @ groups.io.? The other way I see the From line is if a member replies to my private email send. So you sent it from your own email interface, not from Groups.io? ?I sent a message via my private email in reply to to a pending member and cc'd the owner address.?Perhaps you are asking for more clarification before you approve them?? My guess now is that if I am sending a message via my private email to someone who is a pending member, then groups.io puts the offending address in the From line.? How they do it, I don't know since I am NOT sending the email through groups.io.If you put your Groups.io address in your CC line, you are involving Groups.io. Also if you are copying the person's email address, possibly you are picking up other content / coding. Edit it down so that just a normal email address is in the To field. I just deleted the address from my contacts list.? I totally understand that if I send a message through groups.io, that address will appear.? But it should not in messages from my private email.Look to see if there is a "previous recipients" section in your email. (This is for auto-fill.) There is in Apple Mail, in Window menu item. I truly don't mean to be a pest, but I find this annoying---and unworkable for those who want to reply to me.Frankly, I don't quite understand what you are trying to do! Why not use the Pending Subscription member notice if the person isn't a member, but has applied for membership? You can tweak it as much as you want, personalize it. Say who you are, and ask who they are. Include a link to a blog or website if you wish. And everything works properly.? But if you want to send it from your own email address (something most people want to avoid!) you should leave off the Groups.io address at all. To identify that it is related to Groups.io, just put something about group application in the subject line of the email. Frances ? -- Moving to Groups.io (without easy transfer)
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I understand the rationale for the? name@...>name@... hack, to satisfy the DMARC tests. What mystifies me is how Yahoo somehow never had to do this. My group at Yahoo had dozens of gmail subscribers and never had delivery issues. Here is an extract from a Yahoo mail header: Authentication-Results: mta4044.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com; dkim=pass (ok) header.i=@... header.s=echoe; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=@...; dmarc=pass(p=none sp=NULL dis=none) header.from=yahoogroups.com; MailChimp also doesn't seem to have this issue. Here is a mailchimp header: Authentication-Results: mta4014.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com; dkim=pass (ok) header.i=@... header.s=k1; spf=neutral smtp.mailfrom=@...; dmarc=fail(p=none sp=quarantine dis=none) header.from=gmail.com; Larry |
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Hi Ann,
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what email client are you using, and on what type of machine (Mac/Windows/Linux/¡)? It sounds very hard to believe that your email client should modify your ?from¡° address when sending directly, unless you have set it like that yourself in the email client settings, or are sending to ??and not to the person¡¯s personal email address.
Kind regards
Thomas
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On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 07:50 PM, Laurence Marks wrote:
Larry, both mailserver examples you gave have p=none policy tags, which means that the mailbox provider won't take any actions with the emails that fail DMARC. The other two acceptable 'p' tags are 'quarantine' and 'reject'. Roger |
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Thomas wrote:
Thomas, that's actually incorrect. All Mail User Agents (MUA) honor a header that's usually not visible called "Reply-To:" For example, the headers might be:
When TGolding receives this message, she won't see the Reply-To, but when she selects Reply, the message will display TomG, not Thomas.Gruber in her MUA. Larry |
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Roger Colwell wrote:
Roger, Gmail is always listed as the troublesome one. I have a Gmail account but don't get any forums there so I don't have a good example. Here's an arbitrary one that passed. |
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýhi Larry,agreed. But Ann¡¯s problem seems to be that her ?from¡° address gets modified. That should be completely under her own control when using the local email client, and sending directly to someone else (not via ). Including her ?reply to¡° address - it¡¯s something that would be set on the local machine. Or am I overlooking something here? Thomas
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Frances
Michael Pavan
Duane
Shal Farley
Laurence Marks
Thomas Gruber
Roger Colwell