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Why is it so hard to find groups? Whatever I type in, nothing comes up.
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Are you trying to find your own groups? Probably not.

If you are talking about groups you wish to join - Find or Create a Group, you need to know that not all groups have opted to be in the list of publicly accessible groups.

I use the search box using just one or two keywords, hoping that the group will have meaningful words in their group homepage description. That is what appears in the description on?/search?p=SubsCount,,,20,2,0,0

There was a discussion about marketing your group. I have added a few keys words to the description on one of my homepage - using white type (in advanced toolbar). They help improve the retrieving of the group.

But the main thing is that it is up to groups to change that in their setting. In Admin, Settings, Privacy, Visibility.

I double-checked mine to see if it would be found. A good test!

Frances


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On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 08:30 PM, Zapple100 wrote:

Why is it so hard to find groups? Whatever I type in, nothing comes up.

Further to Frances's comment about potential target groups being publicly visible the success of any given search is based on (a) the group owner setting up their Group Description so that it contains a good selection of keywords relevant to their group's purpose and (b) the person carrying out a search making an intelligent guess about what those keywords might be.

In the case of (a) not all group owners set up their group descriptions in such a way that will make searching for them either easy or successful and in the case of (b) it may require some inventiveness to find the right search terms!

Searching for a particular group name is always likely to be a bit hit and miss unless the relevant words are included in the description, which for understandable reasons they may well not be.

As a general rule the more search terms you use the more likely is some measure of success; the search mechanism returns all instances of each individual term occurring in group descriptions; it does not rely on finding the terms in combination with one another.

I don't know what the limit on the number of search terms is, or the total number of characters allowed. I have tested the search mechanism with ten terms totalling 66 characters (including spaces) and it found them all in one group description; not surprising because I put them all there as a means of testing it!

Also note that the search in the singular will not find plurals; type in "house" and it will not find "houses". It is possible to carry out wildcard searches by the use of *; type in house* and it will find houses, but the downside is that it will also find housewife, housemaid, household, housefly and doubtless others as well. Not so helpful...

Alternative nouns can also be useful; if looking some somthing relating to (say) dogs / cats / horses it is worth including canine / feline / equine and so on.

What sorts of groups are you looking for?

Chris

Chris, I juist read your post and decided to try to find some groups I know moved here.? I click on the group and get the name of the group and part of a description.? When I click on the group name, I get an error message about this page not working, time out, or some such.? Does this mean that if someone is searching for a group and they click on the group name, they can't get to the homepage?? How can they join if they can't get to the homepage?? I've always been able to check out groups until now.? Did he change something or is it a glitch?

Terri

On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 05:09 PM, T Golding wrote:

I click on the group and get the name of the group and part of a description.? When I click on the group name, I get an error message about this page not working, time out, or some such.? Does this mean that if someone is searching for a group and they click on the group name, they can't get to the homepage?? How can they join if they can't get to the homepage?? I've always been able to check out groups until now.? Did he change something or is it a glitch?

I just tested it with Safari and with Firefox. Both work. I wasn't signed in to Groups.io with Firefox.
A glitch? If you give me a keyword, I can test it.

Frances
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I'm on chrome, and I am signed in.? would that matter?? I can try it on safari where I'm not signed in, and see if it works. If it doesn't, I'll give you the group names I was searching for and see if you can get to the home pages.

Thanks,
Terri

Mod's note - being signed in doesn't matter.?

On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 10:09 PM, T Golding wrote:

I click on the group and get the name of the group and part of a description.

I've clicked on a few random group names (not found as the results of searches) and their home pages have worked with no problems.

Not sure why that isn't working for you.

Chris

Frances,

Would doing the white-type help with search-engine hits to move up the ratings?? At the present time, our old YG is getting the google hits to rank and the GIO has nothing thus far.

Since joining GIO, it's the only real hang up I've not been able to figure out.

Thanks!

BMaverick

On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 04:13 PM, BMaverick wrote:

Would doing the white-type help with search-engine hits to move up the ratings?

No; the white font on a white background just means that the Group Description is not visibly cluttered up with a collection of keywords.

Since joining GIO, it's the only real hang up I've not been able to figure out.

And when did you join, or more correctly when did you set up some keywords in your Description?

Chris

It seems Google hasn't crawled the site recently. ?It is finding my old keywords only.
I think that the white text on white would be found by the bot.

Frances
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Frances,

I would agree with the BOT crawling.?

So, the very FIRST line and the very TAIL line of the words on the main page gets placed into the main pages META data for the header aka <head>

Meta description is a short paragraph of text in the HTML <head> section of a page. It is usually displayed in a SERP snippet after website's title and URL. In HTML it looks like this for our group:
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<meta property="og:description" content="*yanmar tractor owners group compact deere cadet CUT SCUT Yan... YM1900, YM1800, YM1720, YM1700, YM1500, YM1401, YM1300 * *">
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My FIRST line is all the white-on-white text.? It does work as GIO pulls that into the meta property field. :)? And the TAIL (last line) contains much of the popular models manufactured in that era.? Thus, I now see this as a win-win when the BOT does crawl thru.
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Using the FF TOOLS > WEB DEVELOPER > INSPECTOR, the above head portion is displayed.

As for the header TITLE, it seems GIO doesn't allow this for modification as it shows the first half of the group's web address as the title.

I would like to see folks join GIO and not the YG listserv crippled service of our old location.? Getting the GIO group out there in the forefront ahead of the YG is very important to us going forward.

BMaverick
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OK, think I got something working right now.?? The Alexa and DuckDuckGo BOTs already have made a pass-thru the main page.? On DDG, with the search of Yanmar Owners Group, the result ranking is #4.? It's a few above the old YG version.? Without the word Group, it's much further down the rankings.? In time I hope, this too would over shadow the YG version.
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I'll have to hit google, bing and yahoo a little later to be sure their BOT crawls thru.
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So, white-on-white text will help the BOTs like meta data tags and descriptions.? It's not perfect, but it does help.?

With the sub-group of the ARCHIVE messages, I may use the Yahoo term to tag that location for members who hadn't joined yet after the move and Yahoo goes DARK.
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BMaverick