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Hello.
I have owned a yahoo hobby group (toy and model trains) for 18 years. Last year I had to change my email address when my ISP stopped their local service.
Yahoo would not accept my change of email, and blocked me from the group which I own! There seems to be nothing I can do except pay them money (which I won't do) to talk to a real live person, and who may be unable to help anyway..
Can you please advise if IO can move this yahoo group to Groups.IO using this blocked email address?
My group has one co-moderator who could use his email address. Would this work? He could become a co-owner of the new group.
My Thanks.
Doug Harris
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Doug, Yahoo would not accept my change of email, and blocked me from the
group which I own! I don't recognize you from Y!GMF, if you'd like some advice in trying to get your new address connected to your group contact us over there. There seems to be nothing I can do except pay them money (which I
won't do) to talk to a real live person, and who may be unable to help
anyway.. Be cautious with anyone asking for money. There are a lot of scam outfits out there pretending to be Yahoo Customer Care. On the other hand there is a relatively new Yahoo! Account Pro service, which is paid, but given that your primary concern is a access to a Yahoo Group they probably won't know how to do that. Can you please advise if IO can move this yahoo group to Groups.IO
using this blocked email address? If you can still sign in to your Yahoo Account, the one that owns the Yahoo Group, then you can do what you need without email access. The key is being able to sign in using your original Yahoo account ID and password. Where the sign-in page says to enter your email address it means the yahoo.com address associated with your Yahoo account. My group has one co-moderator who could use his email address. Would
this work? As long as he can invite someone (the transfer address) to join the group, and then promote that new member to moderator status, then yes. He could do the Yahoo tasks for your group. It is the privilege to promote a member to moderator that you might not have given him as a moderator. Many owners are hesitant to give out that privilege as it is effectively all-powerful, second only to being an owner. He could become a co-owner of the new group. That would allow him to do the Groups.io side of the transfer, which is probably the simplest way to handle it. If you're leery about promoting him to owner you could take the steps on the Groups.io side and he could (in coordination with you) take the required steps on the Yahoo side. Shal -- Help: /static/helpMore Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiEven More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
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On 24/03/2019 15:30, Shal Farley wrote: Doug,
I don't recognize you from Y!GMF, if you'd like some advice in trying to get your new address connected to your group contact us over there.
Hi Shal and Thanks for your email. I only signed up for Groups Managers Forum today, my thanks for the help and further offers of help. > There seems to be nothing I can do except pay them money (which I
> won't do) to talk to a real live person, and who may be unable to help
> anyway..
Be cautious with anyone asking for money. There are a lot of scam outfits out there pretending to be Yahoo Customer Care. This is actually on the yahoo site, so should be quite OK. Nevertheless, I'm not going to get caught in there at what I see is a dead end. On the other hand there is a relatively new Yahoo! Account Pro service, which is paid, but given that your primary concern is a access to a Yahoo Group they probably won't know how to do that. What I see is not good. I think it is going to be a move to Groups.io. After my experiences through the years, this is the way for me to go. If you can still sign in to your Yahoo Account, the one that owns the Yahoo Group, then you can do what you need without email access. No, I simply cannot sign in. However, I *can* received postings by members of this group, and reply to them by altering the headers, but I simply cannot enter the group itself to make any changes. > My group has one co-moderator who could use his email address. Would
> this work?
As long as he can invite someone (the transfer address) to join the group, and then promote that new member to moderator status, then yes. He could do the Yahoo tasks for your group. He may be able to sign me in as a new member, if I use my brother's name or somesuch illegal stuff, but I doubt that he could sign me in and then promote me to owner, not being one himself. He has been co-moderator for 2 or 3 years, but I can't remember what privileges I gave him, probably not too high to avoid anyone trying to take over the group, although he is a fellow collector, well-known in his circles, (I'm in New Zealand, he's in US) I trust him, and I doubt any problems would arise. We are fellow collectors of old toy trains, especially two makes of Japanese. I may get him to download all the many photographs which we have there, and later transfer them to the new site, after which we can simply abandon yahoo. The text messages are hardly worth saving. It is the privilege to promote a member to moderator that you might not have given him as a moderator. Many owners are hesitant to give out that privilege as it is effectively all-powerful, second only to being an owner. See paragrph above.. > He could become a co-owner of the new group.
That would allow him to do the Groups.io side of the transfer, which is probably the simplest way to handle it.
Shal I think your last paragraph has it all sorted.. I agree.. So, my grateful thanks for the trouble you have taken here, and I will see what happens over the next couple of weeks. I'm now 80, and getting too old for this nonsense! -- Cheers. -------- Doug Harris Cambridge, New Zealand
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Doug, No, I simply cannot sign in. However, I *can* received postings by
members of this group, and reply to them by altering the headers, but
I simply cannot enter the group itself to make any changes. I'd like to explore this a bit further, but that would be a conversation better suited to the Yahoo Groups version of GMF: Subscribe : groupmanagersforum-subscribe@... Post Message : groupmanagersforum@... Or we could just take it off-list if you'd rather not subscribe to another group just for that. ... but I doubt that he could sign me in and then promote me to owner,
not being one himself. No, not owner. That's the one thing a moderator, no matter what privileges you give them, cannot do. He has been co-moderator for 2 or 3 years, but I can't remember what
privileges I gave him, probably not too high to avoid anyone trying to
take over the group, ... That's usually the problem. Without the "Add, remove, and change moderator privileges" privilege your co-moderator won't be able to assist you with the transfer to Groups.io You could ask him to go to the "Manage Members" page in your Yahoo Group and click on some member (not mod or owner) there. If the Edit Member pop-up dialog contains the Role control then you're in luck - he has the needed privilege. I may get him to download all the many photographs which we have
there, ... PG Offline will likely be very helpful doing that: Shal -- Help: /static/helpMore Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiEven More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
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On 25/03/2019 08:29, Shal Farley wrote: I'd like to explore this a bit further, but that would be a conversation better suited to the Yahoo Groups version of GMF: Or we could just take it off-list if you'd rather not subscribe to another group just for that. Hi Shal. Thanks for your interest in this saga. > ... but I doubt that he could sign me in and then promote me to owner,
> not being one himself.
No, not owner. That's the one thing a moderator, no matter what privileges you give them, cannot do. This conversation should now go off-group - my email is [redacted by moderator] Several people told me that the co-moderator could reintroduce me as owner, but I knew that would not be possible. However, I think we will be beating our heads against the wall, trying to move the group any further. It will be abandoned. After all this time, I'm getting very fed up with the way it has gone. I'm too old for all this nonsense, so yahoo is out. I plan to contact the co-moderator, and we'll get started on a group in io. I'll get the photographs downloaded - fortunately, I did them all last year, as a precaution for a happening like this, but there will be some new ones which I won't be able access. The text postings are not worth downloading. -- Cheers. -------- Doug Harris Cambridge, New Zealand
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Hi Doug, This conversation should now go off-group ... Ok. I'll follow-up offlist regarding your Yahoo account. However, I think we will be beating our heads against the wall, trying
to move the group any further. It will be abandoned. It sounds like the only two things you'd want the Easy Group Transfer function to handle are the Members list and the Photos. If we can arrange that it will save substantial effort for you versus manually copying them, particularly if your Yahoo group has more than 1000 members. Shal -- Help: /static/helpMore Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiEven More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
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On 25/03/2019 13:32, Shal Farley wrote: It sounds like the only two things you'd want the Easy Group Transfer function to handle are the Members list and the Photos. If we can arrange that it will save substantial effort for you versus manually copying them, particularly if your Yahoo group has more than 1000 members. Hi Shal. I'll get in touch with my co-moderator shortly (like a day or so), and see what his current feelings are. Will you be able to transfer our details, seeing that technically we have no owner - only a moderator?? This is why I was talking about opening an io Group, and simply abandoning yahoo. I'll give you the objects of the group, and our topic - which is quite an ordinary one - among fellow collectors. It's very fraternal. In 18 years, I've only blocked one member who was having personal problems, being on medication, and making things a bit difficult for the others. He came right, and was re-admitted. We only have 165 members at this time, this being a fairly specialised group. I unsubscribed members who have been out of touch - some for a number of years, or not taking postings - late last year, so it is fairly up-to-date. How do you and I get into direct contact with each other? I put my email address in my last post, but the moderator redacted it. I greatly appreciate what you are offering to do for us. Many Thanks. -- Cheers. -------- Doug Harris Cambridge, New Zealand
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Hi Doug, Will you be able to transfer our details, seeing that technically we
have no owner - only a moderator?? I'm just a user of Groups.io, so I can't do anything beyond try to give you good advice. Whether you and/or your co-moderator will be able to use the Easy Group Transfer function will depend on circumstances, as I mentioned before. If you can't recover access to your account as group owner, and he doesn't have the requisite privileges, then no: you'll be stuck copying anything you want copied "by hand". How do you and I get into direct contact with each other? I see (from your offlist reply) that you found my offlist message to you. So we're good. Shal -- Help: /static/helpMore Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiEven More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
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On 24/03/2019 15:30, Shal Farley wrote: Doug,
> Yahoo would not accept my change of email, and blocked me from the
> group which I own!
I don't recognize you from Y!GMF, if you'd like some advice in trying to get your new address connected to your group contact us over there.
> There seems to be nothing I can do except pay them money (which I
> won't do) to talk to a real live person, and who may be unable to help
> anyway..
Be cautious with anyone asking for money. There are a lot of scam outfits out there pretending to be Yahoo Customer Care.
On the other hand there is a relatively new Yahoo! Account Pro service, which is paid, but given that your primary concern is a access to a Yahoo Group they probably won't know how to do that.
> Can you please advise if IO can move this yahoo group to Groups.IO
> using this blocked email address?
If you can still sign in to your Yahoo Account, the one that owns the Yahoo Group, then you can do what you need without email access. The key is being able to sign in using your original Yahoo account ID and password. Where the sign-in page says to enter your email address it means the yahoo.com address associated with your Yahoo account.
> My group has one co-moderator who could use his email address. Would
> this work?
As long as he can invite someone (the transfer address) to join the group, and then promote that new member to moderator status, then yes. He could do the Yahoo tasks for your group.
It is the privilege to promote a member to moderator that you might not have given him as a moderator. Many owners are hesitant to give out that privilege as it is effectively all-powerful, second only to being an owner.
> He could become a co-owner of the new group.
That would allow him to do the Groups.io side of the transfer, which is probably the simplest way to handle it.
If you're leery about promoting him to owner you could take the steps on the Groups.io side and he could (in coordination with you) take the required steps on the Yahoo side.
Shal Hi Shal. Just a quick update - I have managed to obtain access to this yahoo group which I have owned for 18 years again! I managed this by hitting a button that changed all my (4) group passwords to a common one. This worked, and was a real relief. I now have what looks like full access to that group. Next week I'm going to be fitted for some hearing aids (I'm 80) and once I have settled in with those, I'll come back to you for assistance which you kindly offered for the group shift to io. -- Cheers. -------- Doug Harris Cambridge, New Zealand The question is: Are we going to be in time, and are we going to do enough? And the answer to both of those is no. David Attenborough.
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Oops I sent a PM with my phn to Doug before reading to the bottom of this thread! I'm in New Zealand too and been dealing with lost Y* access. Drat.
Anyway, he can reply to me off list.
regards
davew ++
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Shal Farley