Why does OBO appear in posts?
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Ken,
See examples below. Some come thru from IO as ¡°On behalf of¡± and someThe ones that come through as "Display name via Groups.io" are those whose address has been rewritten to work around DMARC. This affects Yahoo Mail, AOL, and certain other sending services. The ones that come through as "[email protected] On Behalf Of Display name" I don't see in my email interfaces (Gmail on the web or in Thunderbird, or Gmail mobile). I'm going to guess that's how your email interface chooses to handle messages that are sent through a mailing list. How to control how the header comes thru?I don't believe you can for the via case. Maybe through settings in your email interface for the OBO case. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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i don¡¯t know if this makes sense, is correct, clarifies, or confuses things, but it¡¯s what I posted later in reply to the original question?
I believe it¡¯s not so much what Outlook requires, as it is what the outgoing email server (in my case?) wants to see. ?
?I used to use totally POP email on Outlook with my AOL addresses, and there was no problem. ?But I had to start synching my mail across devices (I don¡¯t have an Outlook Exchange acct) so switched to imap email because they wont accept the POP address. That¡¯s when I noticed I couldn¡¯t use the alias <ken@weekendrproducts>, I must use <weekendrproducts@...> otherwise the OnBhOf is appended. ?Before the email went thru the POP server of my internet provider (?and?I believe it¡¯s no so much what Outlook requires, as it is what the outgoing email server (in my case?) wants to see.
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?I used to use totally POP email on Outlook with my AOL addresses, and there was no problem. ?But I had to start synching my mail across devices (I don¡¯t have an Outlook Exchange acct) so switched to imap email because they wont accept the POP address. That¡¯s when I noticed I couldn¡¯t use the alias <ken@weekendrproducts>, I must use <weekendrproducts@...> otherwise the OnBhOf is appended. ?Before the email went thru the POP server of my internet provider (?and?).?
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Caveat: I¡¯m far from even a neophyte on the going¡¯s on of electronic mail, so my explanation may be (probably is) way off base. What I think happens is just based on my observations. ?If ANYONE has more guru-ish input on this maybe everyone can benefit.?
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Caveat: I¡¯m far from even a neophyte on the going¡¯s on of electronic mail, so my explanation may be (probably is) way off base. What I think happens is just based on my observations. ?If ANYONE has more guru-ish input on this maybe everyone can benefit.? |
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Loopy,
This morning I sent email to my group using a different email addressI'd have to see the entire From field from the header to understand this. My experience is that messages posted from gmail addresses don't have any rewriting of their From field. I can understand it being the email provider in one case but in bothDo you mean that you received the message and looked at it in two different email providers? it is always possible that your email provider is rewriting the From field on messages received from lists for its own reasons. The fact that other members of your group are not having the issue tends to point a finger at your receiving email service / user interface. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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Ken,
I believe it¡¯s not so much what Outlook requires, as it is what theFor DMARC-related issues this is correct. Sending services can publish (via the DNS system) policy guidance that receiving services may use whenever they receive a message that has that sender's domain in the From information, yet was delivered to the receiver by some other service (such as a mailing list). When Groups.io receives an inbound group posting it checks the published policy of the sender, and if it is "quarantine" or "reject" Groups.io rewrites the From address so that it has groups.io as the domain, in place of the sender domain. That helps to ensure that receiving members' services deliver the message to Inboxes, rather than Spam or rejecting (bouncing) them. That's because messages that are delivered by a server owned by the domain given in the From address are, generally speaking, regarded as less "spammy" than messages that are delivered by an unrelated server. That said, Outlook and some other services have their own issues with receiving messages that have traveled through mailing lists, especially messages from their own domain. A message claiming to be from their domain that arrives from an external source (e.g. a mailing list) is automatically suspect in their eyes. I used to use totally POP email on Outlook with my AOL addresses, ...If you are talking about messages you send I think the switch from POP to IMAP was coincidental. Those protocols are only used when you fetch messages from your email service; when you post you're using SMTP in either case. If you're talking about how you see messages you receive from the group, that's sounds odd but I suppose not impossible. I would expect your receiving service to apply the OBO rewriting regardless of whether you view the message through their web interface, a POP client, or an IMAP client. Unless it is your client software doing the OBO rewrite. I suppose that too is possible. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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Sarah,
Only if it is your own Gmail address. That was done to quiet a big scary warning that Gmail would otherwise put up, warning that the message may be spoofed (not actually From you). On the other hand, it does likewise with all Y!mail, AOL, and other services who've used DMARC to demand it. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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