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questions about transferring a yahoo group to groups.io

oliviaj_catlady
 

Hi Shai,

Nice to see you over on this end.:-)

I'm on the verge of transferring my yahoo group over here. I've already created the group and I've discovered the email to [email protected], etc. I have a couple of questions:

1. After an automatic transfer, does the old yahoo group stay in existence, with all its members? Or does it disappear, or does anything happen to it? I'd like to maintain the old group until everything is sorted out.

2. ?Does groups.io have a search function for searching through posts?

3. It seems like the automatic transfer automatically creates an account for everyone, but requires them to create a password "the first time they sign in." What if they don't sign in? My group has many members who access the group exclusively through email. My understanding is that they will automatically start receiving, and be able to send, email to the new (automatically transferred) groups.io group without having to sign in. Is that correct?

Thanks!

Olivia_J
oliviaj catlady
 

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I forgot to ask: is there a way to transfer the posts (archives)? I'm guessing there is not.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 4, 2015, at 8:33 PM, oliviaj_catlady <oliviajcatlady@...> wrote:

Hi Shai,

Nice to see you over on this end.:-)

I'm on the verge of transferring my yahoo group over here. I've already created the group and I've discovered the email to [email protected], etc. I have a couple of questions:

1. After an automatic transfer, does the old yahoo group stay in existence, with all its members? Or does it disappear, or does anything happen to it? I'd like to maintain the old group until everything is sorted out.

2. ?Does have a search function for searching through posts?

3. It seems like the automatic transfer automatically creates an account for everyone, but requires them to create a password "the first time they sign in." What if they don't sign in? My group has many members who access the group exclusively through email. My understanding is that they will automatically start receiving, and be able to send, email to the new (automatically transferred) group without having to sign in. Is that correct?

Thanks!

Olivia_J
 

Hi Olivia,

1. After an automatic transfer, does the old yahoo group stay in
existence, with all its members? Or does it disappear, or does anything
happen to it?
Nothing happens to the Yahoo Group. The only thing the transfer agent does is read the email addresses out of the Manage Members list.

I'd like to maintain the old group until everything is sorted out.
Perfect. When and if you want to close down access to the Yahoo Group you have to do that yourself.

2. Does groups.io have a search function for searching through posts?
Yes, but as yet it is primitive (no advanced search function).

3. It seems like the automatic transfer automatically creates an account
for everyone, but requires them to create a password "the first time
they sign in."
The automatic transfer only adds their email address to the group. I think it isn't until the member first accesses the web site and creates a password that an account is created for them.

What if they don't sign in? My group has many members who access the
group exclusively through email. My understanding is that they will
automatically start receiving, and be able to send, email to the new
(automatically transferred) groups.io group without having to sign in.
Correct.

"Email only" members work the same as in Yahoo Groups: if a member doesn't need to use the web pages then they don't need a password (account).

-- Shal
 

Olivia,

I forgot to ask: is there a way to transfer the posts (archives)? I'm
guessing there is not.
There almost is. It is a work in progress, and for now you have to download the messages yourself and then ask [email protected] to do the import manually.
/g/beta/thread/197393#4030

The "bad news" in that message with respect to Yahoo Groups is made better in subsequent messages in that thread. But it is still clumsy.

By the way, that group "beta" is the official group for discussing new features and feature requests in groups.io. It is (lightly) moderated by the developer of groups.io, Mark Fletcher.
/g/beta

In my opinion, a lot of the "how to" chit-chat that happens in the beta group would be better off here in GMF or in Group_Help, but it will be up to Mark to put his foot down when he's had enough of it.
/g/Group_Help

For a much more concise list of update announcements see this group:
/g/updates

-- Shal
oliviaj catlady
 

Thanks, Shal. I'm not sure what you mean by the statement below, and am wondering whether there's a typo in it. Even after changing ?"in that message" to "is that message" (?), I've tried and still failed to understand what you mean here:

The "bad news" in that message with respect to Yahoo Groups is made better in subsequent messages in that thread.?

Olivia_J

On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 12:41 AM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:
Olivia,

> I forgot to ask: is there a way to transfer the posts (archives)? I'm
> guessing there is not.

There almost is. It is a work in progress, and for now you have to download the messages yourself and then ask [email protected] to do the import manually.
/g/beta/thread/197393#4030

The "bad news" in that message with respect to Yahoo Groups is made better in subsequent messages in that thread. But it is still clumsy.
 

Olivia,

?I'm not sure what you mean by the statement below, and am wondering
?whether there's a typo in it.

Hmm... It might have parsed better if I had used a couple of commas:

?The "bad news" in that message, with respect to Yahoo Groups, is made
?better in subsequent messages in that thread.

But what I really meant is "read the whole thread".

The first message in it has paragraphs marked "good news" and "bad news" - the bad news paragraph essentially said that importing messages from Yahoo Groups is hopeless. That turned out not to be the case.

-- Shal
oliviaj catlady
 

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Thanks, Shal!!!?

One more question or potential stumbling block: Once I've established the group, suppose a friend recommends it to someone without a account. I understand that people don't need an account to be ?invited? to the group and join it. But how would a person without an account request membership??

I'm sure this is simple, but I haven't come up to speed yet. I'm worried about future new members being able to find the group and request membership without me being actively involved. Could the person recommending the group send a link??

Related to this is that I haven't seen groups come up in google searches, yet yahoo groups are very findable by their subject matter. I am worried in general about potential new members not finding us and/or not having an easy enrollment mechanism if they don't already have an account. This is the biggest hurdle in my mind of transferring over.

Thanks!

Olivia_J

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 5, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

Olivia,

?I'm not sure what you mean by the statement below, and am wondering
?whether there's a typo in it.

Hmm... It might have parsed better if I had used a couple of commas:

?The "bad news" in that message, with respect to Yahoo Groups, is made
?better in subsequent messages in that thread.

But what I really meant is "read the whole thread".

The first message in it has paragraphs marked "good news" and "bad news" - the bad news paragraph essentially said that importing messages from Yahoo Groups is hopeless. That turned out not to be the case.

-- Shal
 

Olivia,

But how would a person without an account request membership?
Either with the email +subscribe command (listed on the group's home page), or by clicking the "Join This Group" button on the group's home page.

If they use the email command they are not required create a password (account) at groups.io. If they use the web button they'll be prompted to create one.

I'm worried about future new members being able to find the group and
request membership without me being actively involved. Could the person
recommending the group send a link?
The groups home page, showing the email commands, the join button, and other information about the group is available to non-members. The group's home page is probably the most useful link to provide when recommending the group - just as I've done.

Related to this is that I haven't seen groups.io groups come up in
google searches, yet yahoo groups are very findable by their subject
matter.
They can be found in Google and other web searches. But it is true that groups.io is not yet as well known as Yahoo Groups, and there are far fewer groups here as yet. You can help your group's search ranking along by posting links to your group in many public places on the web (where appropriate, I'm not suggesting comment-spamming or other abusive techniques).

-- Shal
oliviaj catlady
 

Thanks, perfect.:-)

On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:
Olivia,

> But how would a person without an account request membership?

Either with the email +subscribe command (listed on the group's home page), or by clicking the "Join This Group" button on the group's home page.

If they use the email command they are not required create a password (account) at . If they use the web button they'll be prompted to create one.

> I'm worried about future new members being able to find the group and
> request membership without me being actively involved. Could the person
> recommending the group send a link?

The groups home page, showing the email commands, the join button, and other information about the group is available to non-members. The group's home page is probably the most useful link to provide when recommending the group - just as I've done.

> Related to this is that I haven't seen groups come up in
> google searches, yet yahoo groups are very findable by their subject
> matter.

They can be found in Google and other web searches. But it is true that is not yet as well known as Yahoo Groups, and there are far fewer groups here as yet. You can help your group's search ranking along by posting links to your group in many public places on the web (where appropriate, I'm not suggesting comment-spamming or other abusive techniques).

-- Shal







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