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I am the owner of the group named "betweenjobsministry".? The group has over 16000 members and handles about 400 messages a month. It is a relative "high turnover" group. About 250 members join and leave the group each month.

I am having many of the issues that have been discussed on GMF.? I have started the process to migrate to groups.io.? I am registered and accepted by groups.io.? My question is do I need to do all off the preliminary? setup as if I am setting up a new group in groups.io or will all of the set-up info (Owner, mediators, standard greeting letters, etc) are will of the set-up info come across as well?

I have lost files, logs, etc several times but YG Concierge has restored them.? I am currently waiting for them to restore one more time and then I will request a transfer.

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FredJ,

My question is doIneed to do all off the preliminarysetup as ifIam
setting up a new group in groups.io orwill all of the set-up info
(Owner, mediators, standard greeting letters, etc) are will of the
set-up info comeacrossas well?
You need to set up your Groups.io group.

None of the group settings are copied from the Yahoo Group. Nor is the cover image, description, or other home page info.

When you start the transfer process you'll be given a form that asks for the Yahoo Group name, has a drop-list for selecting the target Groups.io group, and a list of checkboxes for what content to copy. Email attachments and Calendar events are two types of content that are excluded from that list.

Some notes about the Membership list - each member's Delivery selection (Individual, digest, etc.) and Posting Privilege (group default, Moderated, Not Moderated, etc.) will be copied along with their Join Date and email address.

One important exception: any email address that is already present in your Groups.io group will not be copied, nor will its subscription info. That means, for example, that if you use the same email address in your owner role in both groups, your "Join" date won't be copied from the Y!Group. If that's important to you then you should promote an alternate email address to owner of the Groups.io group and unsubscribe your primary address prior to starting the transfer.

Myself I didn't bother to be concerned about my join date, nor did any of the Y!Group moderators who I had invited to join the Groups.io group and become familiar with it before we initiated the transfer. We spent a couple weeks exploring the Groups.io group and how its settings work before transferring over the Yahoo Group. Of particular interest are the Member Notices - those play roughly the same role as the scheduled files in Yahoo Groups (notices for Pending, Welcome, Removed, Left etc.).

Your Y!Group co-owners and moderators will copy over as ordinary members. You will need to promote them and set their moderator permissions anew in the Groups.io group.

Another exception is email addresses listed as "Bouncing" in the Y!Group - they will not be copied. It is possible (likely with a group that large) that Yahoo Groups will have made mistakes in determining the Bouncing status of some email addresses. Some of those listed as "Bouncing" might actually be fine. You can invite them to the Groups.io group after the transfer if you are concerned about that.

Also, some of the email addresses not listed by Y!Groups as "Bouncing" will turn out to be bad. Those will promptly become bouncing in the Groups.io group. There's no pressing need to worry about those, the Groups.io's bounce tracking will identify them and set their status accordingly.

Shal


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Shal

Interesting and helpful

Can a group be private and unseen by the community generally, thus only available by invitation.

If so what happens if a new "owner" tries to use the same group name?


Thanks


Mike


On 12/03/2018 01:53, Shal Farley wrote:

FredJ,

> My question is doIneed to do all off the preliminarysetup as ifIam
> setting up a new group in groups.io orwill all of the set-up info
> (Owner, mediators, standard greeting letters, etc) are will of the
> set-up info comeacrossas well?

You need to set up your Groups.io group.

None of the group settings are copied from the Yahoo Group. Nor is the cover image, description, or other home page info.

When you start the transfer process you'll be given a form that asks for the Yahoo Group name, has a drop-list for selecting the target Groups.io group, and a list of checkboxes for what content to copy. Email attachments and Calendar events are two types of content that are excluded from that list.

Some notes about the Membership list - each member's Delivery selection (Individual, digest, etc.) and Posting Privilege (group default, Moderated, Not Moderated, etc.) will be copied along with their Join Date and email address.

One important exception: any email address that is already present in your Groups.io group will not be copied, nor will its subscription info. That means, for example, that if you use the same email address in your owner role in both groups, your "Join" date won't be copied from the Y!Group. If that's important to you then you should promote an alternate email address to owner of the Groups.io group and unsubscribe your primary address prior to starting the transfer.

Myself I didn't bother to be concerned about my join date, nor did any of the Y!Group moderators who I had invited to join the Groups.io group and become familiar with it before we initiated the transfer. We spent a couple weeks exploring the Groups.io group and how its settings work before transferring over the Yahoo Group. Of particular interest are the Member Notices - those play roughly the same role as the scheduled files in Yahoo Groups (notices for Pending, Welcome, Removed, Left etc.).

Your Y!Group co-owners and moderators will copy over as ordinary members. You will need to promote them and set their moderator permissions anew in the Groups.io group.

Another exception is email addresses listed as "Bouncing" in the Y!Group - they will not be copied. It is possible (likely with a group that large) that Yahoo Groups will have made mistakes in determining the Bouncing status of some email addresses. Some of those listed as "Bouncing" might actually be fine. You can invite them to the Groups.io group after the transfer if you are concerned about that.

Also, some of the email addresses not listed by Y!Groups as "Bouncing" will turn out to be bad. Those will promptly become bouncing in the Groups.io group. There's no pressing need to worry about those, the Groups.io's bounce tracking will identify them and set their status accordingly.

Shal




Gerald Boutin
 

There would be an error message stating about the name not being available.

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On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 02:16 am, Michael Buckley wrote:

Can a group be private and unseen by the community generally, thus only available by invitation.

Yes. Got to Admin->Settings->Privacy and select "not listed in directory, private archives. Under Spam Control select "Restricted Membership." Be sure to save your changes.

?

If so what happens if a new "owner" tries to use the same group name?


I believe they will get an error message stating that name is unavailable or previously used. Someone who has actually experienced it could tell you for sure...but they way groups.io sets up URLs and list addresses such duplicate names would cause all kinds of collisions.

Bruce


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yes, I have 2 groups which are totally private and membership is restricted.
and Bruce is correct that no one can use the same group name.

Cherrill?



On Mar 12, 2018, at 11:39 AM, Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:

On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 02:16 am, Michael Buckley wrote:

Can a group be private and unseen by the community generally, thus only available by invitation.

Yes. Got to Admin->Settings->Privacy and select "not listed in directory, private archives. Under Spam Control select "Restricted Membership." Be sure to save your changes.
?

If so what happens if a new "owner" tries to use the same group name?


I believe they will get an error message stating that name is unavailable or previously used. Someone who has actually experienced it could tell you for sure...but they way sets up URLs and list addresses such duplicate names would cause all kinds of collisions.

Bruce


 

Mike,

Can a group be private and unseen by the community generally,
Somewhat. But there is no equivalent to what Yahoo Groups classic called a "closed" group.

You can avoid listing the group in the Groups.io directory, and you can make your group's Messages available to members only. Also Wiki, Calendar and Guidelines; each has their own setting. But you can't make the home page itself invisible to non-members as one could in Yahoo Groups.

thus only available by invitation.
Nor can you prevent people from using the "Request Membership" button or the +subscribe email command. However, if your group has "Restricted Membership" checked you can ignore or reject all such applications.

Shal


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Shall,
You said:
You can avoid listing the group in the Groups.io directory, and you can make your group's Messages available to members only. Also Wiki, Calendar and Guidelines; each has their own setting. But you can't make the home page itself invisible to non-members as one could in Yahoo Groups

If visibility is set to "not listed in directory, private archives" I can't find a group. How could I get to home page with that setting??
Ullmang

On Mar 13, 2018 3:45 AM, "Shal Farley" <shals2nd@...> wrote:
Mike,


> Can a group be private and unseen by the community generally,

Somewhat. But there is no equivalent to what Yahoo Groups classic called a "closed" group.

You can avoid listing the group in the Groups.io directory, and you can make your group's Messages available to members only. Also Wiki, Calendar and Guidelines; each has their own setting. But you can't make the home page itself invisible to non-members as one could in Yahoo Groups.


> thus only available by invitation.

Nor can you prevent people from using the "Request Membership" button or the +subscribe email command. However, if your group has "Restricted Membership" checked you can ignore or reject all such applications.


Shal


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On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 07:45 am, Ullman Garrett wrote:
If visibility is set to "not listed in directory, private archives" I can't find a group. How could I get to home page with that setting??
Ullmang

It would be purely by chance.? If someone happened to enter the URL for a group that isn't listed, it will still show the Home page.

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Duane,
Ref:getting to home page by accident

Even if I enter URL I do not get to the home page. I copied URL at my site, then logged out, then entered URL in browser and got to "Enter Password" page.
Still don't understand how someone could get to my home page.
Ullmang

On Mar 13, 2018 10:51 AM, "Duane" <txpigeon@...> wrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 07:45 am, Ullman Garrett wrote:
If visibility is set to "not listed in directory, private archives" I can't find a group. How could I get to home page with that setting??
Ullmang

It would be purely by chance.? If someone happened to enter the URL for a group that isn't listed, it will still show the Home page.

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This may have been changed, but it worked for me awhile back.? Make sure you enter the URL for the group home page while logged out, not the messages page.

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Duane,
Bingo! It is the URL of the HOME page. We have gotten some subscription requests we could not figure out.
Thank you for solving my little mystery!
Ullmang

On Mar 13, 2018 1:16 PM, "Duane" <txpigeon@...> wrote:
This may have been changed, but it worked for me awhile back.? Make sure you enter the URL for the group home page while logged out, not the messages page.

Duane
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