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Locked Heic photo files #photos

 

One of my members uploaded some photos to her album that have the .heic extension. I could not see those photos at the group website...only a blank screen. I was assuming that IO Groups could only handle jpeg photos, but she told me she could see those photos in her album. I am using Windows 11 and MS Edge. So, is it my computer??
Annick
 

On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 04:45 PM, Annick Phillips wrote:
One of my members uploaded some photos to her album that have the .heic extension. I could not see those photos at the group website...only a blank screen. I was assuming that IO Groups could only handle jpeg photos, but she told me she could see those photos in her album. I am using Windows 11 and MS Edge. So, is it my computer??
It depends on your browser and whatever extensions/add-ons it might have. If you browser cannot render the images, you won't see them.

Are you sure these images are in the Photos area? Or are they in Files? I thought groups.io wasn't allowing uploading of HEIC to Photos, but things may have changed on that front.

Regards,
Bruce
Check out the groups.io Help Center?and?groups.io Owners Manual
 

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I wish I had ¡®the answer¡¯ for this anomaly. ?I do know what causes it. .heic photos are MAC Format. Why in the hell Mac came up with something that isn¡¯t sharable/viewable by others I¡¯ll never know ¨C I¡¯ve been a MAC-exclusive user since 1987.

All of the pics I take with my iPhone are .heic ¨C because they¡¯re Mac. And I usually have to screw around with copying/pasting and converting in order to share them with non-Mac users.

So, the answer to this ¡°why can¡¯t I see them¡­is they¡¯re Mac Format. The Answer to the problem, I dunno, other than spending time (on the Mac) converting them to a more conventional format (.jpeg, etc.)

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Dan Tucker, Groups.io ?AFDRetiree¡¯s Group and AFSMA Group Founder/Owner/Moderator

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From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> on behalf of Bruce Bowman <bowman46118@...>
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Date: Monday, March 4, 2024 at 12:53
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [GMF] Heic photo files #photos

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On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 04:45 PM, Annick Phillips wrote:

One of my members uploaded some photos to her album that have the .heic extension. I could not see those photos at the group website...only a blank screen. I was assuming that IO Groups could only handle jpeg photos, but she told me she could see those photos in her album. I am using Windows 11 and MS Edge. So, is it my computer??

It depends on your browser and whatever extensions/add-ons it might have. If you browser cannot render the images, you won't see them.

Are you sure these images are in the Photos area? Or are they in Files? I thought groups.io wasn't allowing uploading of HEIC to Photos, but things may have changed on that front.

Regards,
Bruce

Check out the groups.io Help Center?and?groups.io Owners Manual

 

On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 03:53 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
I thought groups.io wasn't allowing uploading of HEIC to Photos
I just checked and that's still correct.? HEIC is actually an open format, but Apple seems to be the only ones using it.

Duane
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Lots of detailed information can be found in the Owners Manual and Members Manual.
 

I find it discouraging that 11 years after the HEIF/HEIC format standard was published, and 7 years after Apple was the first to adopt it, that many websites still aren't capable?of rendering it. All newer photo management and editing apps support it, including Windows 11, so there's no excuse anymore.

Larry

On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 4:45?PM Annick Phillips <annick@...> wrote:
One of my members uploaded some photos to her album that have the .heic extension. I could not see those photos at the group website...only a blank screen. I was assuming that IO Groups could only handle jpeg photos, but she told me she could see those photos in her album. I am using Windows 11 and MS Edge. So, is it my computer??
Annick
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On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 5:09?PM Dan Tucker <antiquetuck@...> wrote:

I wish I had ¡®the answer¡¯ for this anomaly.? I do know what causes it. .heic photos are MAC Format. Why in the hell Mac came up with something that isn¡¯t sharable/viewable by others



That is NOT correct; MAC (Apple) did not come up with it. HEIC is a standard published in 2013 by MPEG, the same organization that created JPEG and MPEG formats. It is an encoding that provides higher resolution photos and videos than JPEG/MPEG but still take up less space than JPEG/MPEG. While Apple was the first to?adopt it in 2017, Google followed shortly after, and it is supported on Android phones, Windows 11 (Windows 10 with an update), and virtually all photo management and editing apps released in the past 5 years or so.

Website developers are the odd ones out in not supporting HEIF (the umbrella standard for HEIC).

Best,
Larry

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On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 05:09 PM, Dan Tucker wrote:
All of the pics I take with my iPhone are .heic ¨C because they¡¯re Mac. And I usually have to screw around with copying/pasting and converting in order to share them with non-Mac users.
At the risk of this thread growing even more tangential, you can configure your iDevices to save photos as JPEG.

See ?

Regards,
Bruce
Check out the groups.io Help Center?and?groups.io Owners Manual
 

Both Windows 11 and Adobe now recognize and process HEIC/HEIF files. The reason for adoption is that it's small, fast and accurate.? FireFox doesn't understand it, so if you use a URL to access HEIC/HEIF files, FF will ask you where to save it.? Also, while Adobe understands how to READ such files, it either won't or can't save in that format.? My wife's been an iPhone use for many years, but only when she got an iPhone 11s did her pictures begin to be stored as HEIC/HEIF.

Re size, I have a JPG file that's about 9MB, while the image it was converted from is only 3MB.? To my eye they look identical.? Also, while JPG is a lossy format, that isn't true for HEIC/HEIF files.

FireFox, Adobe and Windows 11 also understand the relatively new format used in WEBP files.? That's more protection than anything else, but now that Adobe can read and write them, that's mostly irrelevant.

Metta,
Ivan


On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 3:10?PM Larry Finch <Finches@...> wrote:
I find it discouraging that 11 years after the HEIF/HEIC format standard was published, and 7 years after Apple was the first to adopt it, that many websites still aren't capable?of rendering it. All newer photo management and editing apps support it, including Windows 11, so there's no excuse anymore.

Larry

On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 4:45?PM Annick Phillips <annick@...> wrote:
One of my members uploaded some photos to her album that have the .heic extension. I could not see those photos at the group website...only a blank screen. I was assuming that IO Groups could only handle jpeg photos, but she told me she could see those photos in her album. I am using Windows 11 and MS Edge. So, is it my computer??
Annick



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I agree, and have brought this HEIC question up before.
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Craigslist and Facebook accept HEIC. Groups.io and Meetup do not.
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How about it, Groups.io? Please get on the technology bandwagon when it is the right thing to do. I think it is.
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On 03/04/2024 14:24, Larry Finch wrote:
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On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 5:09?PM Dan Tucker <antiquetuck@...> wrote:

I wish I had ¡®the answer¡¯ for this anomaly.? I do know what causes it. .heic photos are MAC Format. Why in the hell Mac came up with something that isn¡¯t sharable/viewable by others

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That is NOT correct; MAC (Apple) did not come up with it. HEIC is a standard published in 2013 by MPEG, the same organization that created JPEG and MPEG formats. It is an encoding that provides higher resolution photos and videos than JPEG/MPEG but still take up less space than JPEG/MPEG. While Apple was the first to?adopt it in 2017, Google followed shortly after, and it is supported on Android phones, Windows 11 (Windows 10 with an update), and virtually all photo management and editing apps released in the past 5 years or so.
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Website developers are the odd ones out in not supporting HEIF (the umbrella standard for HEIC).

Best,
Larry

Maybe this list isn't the best place for holy wars over image formats.

Best,

Glenn
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