Re: dealing with problem members #problem-member - violation of stated group policy
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On Sun, May 7, 2023 at 03:05 PM, Frank wrote:
The second is this individual has, in the past, tried to hack into the group to take over ownership.
There are very few reasons to ban someone immediately and without a second chance, but for me this would be one of them. Pete
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Re: Moderating problem members --
*In my opinion* (only), any member who cannot be relied upon to refrain from malicious actions such as you describe should be summarily banned.
DaveD
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On May 8, 2023, at 07:52, JSA <jabbott@...> wrote:
?Does moderating a member also prevent them from writing to or deleting items from the group's files, or does it just relate to comments?
If it moderates all activity then our group can use it for problem members but if they are free to mess with files etc.? this is a big worry.
Thank you!
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Re: Moderating problem members --
On Mon, May 8, 2023 at 06:52 AM, JSA wrote:
Does moderating a member also prevent them from writing to or deleting items from the group's files, or does it just relate to comments?
No, at present, a moderated member only pertains to messages they send.? There has been discussion and requests to have individual permissions/restrictions per member for files, photos, etc.? It was added to the list of possible improvements about 7 years ago, but no major changes yet.? The closest thing we have now is a restriction on who can create folders and albums. Unless they're a moderator, they can't delete files unless they're the one that uploaded it.? I doubt that will ever change. Duane -- Lots of detailed information can be found in the Owners Manual and Members Manual.
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Moderating problem members --
Does moderating a member also prevent them from writing to or deleting items from the group's files, or does it just relate to comments?
If it moderates all activity then our group can use it for problem members but if they are free to mess with files etc.? this is a big worry.
Thank you!
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Re: Locking a message question
On Mon, May 8, 2023 at 04:59 AM, Peter wrote:
Is this a bug ?
It sounds to me like a small bug in the "lock topic" logic.? Make sure it wasn't automatically locked by the setting for the group.? If not, then post a #bug on the beta group.? I'd include the setting used in the group as additional information for troubleshooting. Duane -- Lots of detailed information can be found in the Owners Manual and Members Manual.
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On Mon, May 8, 2023 at 04:59 AM, <ladydove3215@...> wrote:
Are copyright compliant groups endangered by these new restrictions ?
You can read about the change in site policy at .? (Mark is the site owner.)? I happen to know that there was a group closed within the last month because a copyright owner complained. Duane -- Lots of detailed information can be found in the Owners Manual and Members Manual.
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Locking a message question
Good morning all,
On a couple of occasions recently a new topic was sent by a moderator and to prevent replies, he locked it.? Upon looking at it, saw this: "This topic is now locked as it is 100 days since it was created.? If you need to add to it, please contact a Moderator or Owner. Many thanks"?? This is incorrect in that the topic was locked almost immediately after it was published.?
Is this a bug ?, incidentally we have a free group
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It is never ok to send illegal stuff/stuff explicity forbidden in the Terms through any io group¡
Groups can and are closed if found out to go against the Terms and Conditions. Babara
So IF I? get this DON'T?send naughty stuff until?I say it's?ok,? because they will monitor it for? a while
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Good Afternoon ALL,
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I ?have 2 groups that are copyright compliant ¨C all permissions granted are in writing,
So what happens now to copyright compliant groups ????
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Are copyright compliant groups endangered by these new restrictions ?
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Stephanie aka Icemaid
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I don¡¯t know what you put down as planned content for your new group.
It is a sad fact that most stationery, tag and other graphic related groups are illegally sharing copyrighted content. ?The copyright compliant groups are a tiny minority (mine is). ? This is why this restriction for new groups was introduced.
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Re: dealing with problem members #problem-member - violation of stated group policy
#problem-member
@Frank
Abusive people consistently yell, ¡°First Amendment¡± without a clue what is reality. A1 pertains to Government violating free speech, not non-governmental media, groups, newspapers, forums, or social media.
Warning, second warning with moderation, three strikes = you¡¯re out.
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I don¡¯t know what you put down as planned content for your new group.
It is a sad fact that most stationery, tag and other graphic related groups are illegally sharing copyrighted content. ?The copyright compliant groups are a tiny minority (mine is). ? This is why this restriction for new groups was introduced.
Barbara
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On 8 May 2023, at 08:06, ?? Sandy ?? <sandy40boo@...> wrote:
? Of course not. Why would they even assume that? On Mon, May 8, 2023 at 05:23 AM, ?? Sandy ?? wrote:
The reason is that groups dedicated to sharing graphics and stationary are not permitted.
I don't know what that means.
It means Groups.io believes your group would engage in activities that breach its terms of service such as illegally sharring copyright material.
Regards
Andy
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So IF I? get this DON'T?send naughty stuff until?I say it's?ok,? because they will monitor it for? a while
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Re: dealing with problem members #problem-member - violation of stated group policy
#problem-member
We have a unmoderated group of 900 parents of offspring with a particular progressive disorder. Our guidelines cover confidentiality, politics, religion, cursing and flaming. In 25 years we rarely have had an issue. One member thought we were too up-tight and started a group with looser guidelines. It quickly died on the vine.
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When people understand what the focus of a group is and the rules of the "game" they choose to stay or leave. Most people appreciate not having to deal with the drama of off-topic threads. In those rare times of discord I put the group on moderation and control the dialogue to re-center the group. It's not a democracy, the moderators decide and if it is a fundamental enough issue the original owner makes the call.
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Paul
On 05/08/2023 12:01 AM PDT Sarah Shapiro <sarahseventytwo@...> wrote:
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Placing all members on moderated status is the solution, if a nuisance.? If the group is large and active, then having several moderators may be needed.? I think having an unmoderated group is really impossible unless it is a very small group where everyone knows and perhaps loves each other!? Even in an international group I am in that shares Wordle results (without sharing solutions) American politics has crept in!
I set an individual account to moderated for violation of the policy
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Of course not. Why would they even assume that?
On Mon, May 8, 2023 at 05:23 AM, ?? Sandy ?? wrote:
The reason is that groups dedicated to sharing graphics and stationary are not permitted.
I don't know what that means.
It means Groups.io believes your group would engage in activities that breach its terms of service such as illegally sharring copyright material.
Regards
Andy
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Re: dealing with problem members #problem-member - violation of stated group policy
#problem-member
Placing all members on moderated status is the solution, if a nuisance.? If the group is large and active, then having several moderators may be needed.? I think having an unmoderated group is really impossible unless it is a very small group where everyone knows and perhaps loves each other!? Even in an international group I am in that shares Wordle results (without sharing solutions) American politics has crept in!
I set an individual account to moderated for violation of the policy
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Re: dealing with problem members #problem-member - violation of stated group policy
#problem-member
Your group, your rules. Don't like them? Leave or get kicked out. End stop.
Paul
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On 05/07/2023 1:40 PM PDT Donald Hellen <donhellen@...> wrote:
Frank . . .
On Sun, 07 May 2023 11:47:24 -0700, "Frank via groups.io"
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Two problems -- I set an individual account to moderated for violation of the policy - personal attacks on another resident. That person is screaming about a violation of 1st Amendment right. Since the group is private with a stated policy, I do not believe this applies. An opinion would be a right, a personal attack that violates the policy is not? I'm no lawyer, but this seems consistent with all social media. Groups.io are private groups. The group owner sets the rules and enforces them.
It's not a democracy, so there are no first amendment rights involved. You are
free to set rules as you see fit. You have the right to put anyone on moderation
and even ban the person if you choose to do so. The complainer is free to go
join another group that will tolerate him if he wants to, or he can start his
own group.
I've banned only a few for picking on others or using profanity after a warning.
You don't even have to give a warning if you don't want to.
Donald
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Some ham radio groups you may be interested in:
/g/ICOM /g/Ham-Antennas
/g/HamRadioHelp /g/Baofeng
/g/CHIRP
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On Mon, May 8, 2023 at 05:23 AM, ?? Sandy ?? wrote:
The reason is that groups dedicated to sharing graphics and stationary are not permitted.
I don't know what that means.
It means Groups.io believes your group would engage in activities that breach its terms of service such as illegally sharring copyright material. Regards Andy
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I'm trying to start another? group (4 tries now) but each time I've gotten this email:? This is an automated message. Your group?[email protected]?has been denied.The reason is that groups dedicated to sharing graphics and stationary are not permitted. I don't know?what?that means?
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Re: dealing with problem members #problem-member - violation of stated group policy
#problem-member
Frank . . . On Sun, 07 May 2023 11:47:24 -0700, "Frank via groups.io" <feync@...> wrote: Two problems -- I set an individual account to moderated for violation of the policy - personal attacks on another resident. That person is screaming about a violation of 1st Amendment right. Since the group is private with a stated policy, I do not believe this applies. An opinion would be a right, a personal attack that violates the policy is not? I'm no lawyer, but this seems consistent with all social media. Groups.io are private groups. The group owner sets the rules and enforces them. It's not a democracy, so there are no first amendment rights involved. You are free to set rules as you see fit. You have the right to put anyone on moderation and even ban the person if you choose to do so. The complainer is free to go join another group that will tolerate him if he wants to, or he can start his own group. I've banned only a few for picking on others or using profanity after a warning. You don't even have to give a warning if you don't want to. Donald ---------------------------------------------------- Some ham radio groups you may be interested in: /g/ICOM /g/Ham-Antennas/g/HamRadioHelp /g/Baofeng/g/CHIRP
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Re: dealing with problem members #problem-member - violation of stated group policy
#problem-member
Comments? ?Is a procedure to set someone to moderated a reasonable response?
Is there a way to detect an active hack attempt on the group?
We have an ¡°no policy discussion¡± policy for my housing group. I put people to moderate but rarely. I am more likely to lock topics with a notice that says that the topic has either run out of steam or is veering into policy discussions and it suggests contacting the group owner.?
if need to, I ask the rest of the group about it.?
I sometimes preemptively put a thread to moderate if I think it is going to move into policy. I can allow appropriate questions ir comments through.?
We haven¡¯t had any group takeover attempts.?
However someone tried to use chitchat in another group in a potential legal case. No follow up.?
However my groups all have privacy footers, reiterate that it is not an official forum if our organization ?
Frances
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