Marina,

I am getting quite a number of bounces, on account of e-mail addresses
no longer valid or aborted delivery (mainly affecting Yahoo accounts).
I am not surprised, yet, I am not sure how to deal with all these
bounced accounts.

As Barbara said, those Y!Group members in the Bouncing list won't be transferred. So you really needn't go and delete them.

However, the list of Bouncing members in your Y!Group may have two types of error: 1) addresses missing from the bouncing list that are actually bad; and 2) addresses on the bouncing list that actually are ok.

Addresses in case (1) will be immediately picked up by Groups.io's bouncing mechanism. The notice sent by the transfer agent, and/or your group's Welcome notice, will identify if those bounce.

Addresses in case (2) are hopefully small in number, but you might consider sending a Groups.io invite to the Y!Group's bouncing list to see if you pick any of them up. The majority of those invites will bounce of course, but it is easier than contacting them individually. If you have fewer than 1000 members you can export that list from Yahoo and then paste them into your Groups.io's Invite page.

Shal


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Pete,

Are any measures required from a group owner perspective, or should it
just be business as usual?

Here is the usual IANAL disclaimer, with the additional fact that I'm in the U.S. and so have only a superficial interest in the GDPR.

I think for group owners/mods it is pretty much business as usual, so long as you aren't asking for any personal data, such as real names or physical addresses.

Email addresses, and the email content, I think are clearly voluntary disclosures, and need not contain any personal identifiers. Moreover, the member intends for that information to be disclosed to their fellow group members - that's the very nature of an email list.

Have any other group members done anything yet to ensure that their
group is compliant with GDPR?

Beyond paying attention for any instructions on the subject from Groups.io, no. So far nothing has turned up that affects the operation of groups; just more disclosures and additional features that the site provides.

In particular, the site now provides a means for members to retrieve a copy of their own information; so group owners don't have to worry about those requests. And the site has determined that the right to be forgotten does not imply a need to delete member-provided content.


Shal


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Well two suggestions to post to both groups

i) Get every group member to post to both groups.

ii) Subscribe a 'forwarding' email address to iogroups and on your email software set up a rule to forward to the yahoogroup. All messages on yahoogroup will show up as coming from the forwarding email address though.

One word of caution about the last option. With all the various changes to data laws, especially in the EU, forwarding on messages from someone else to a group they have not signed up for may get you into serious trouble.
I for one would not want anything to go on yahoogroups after seeing their latest 'terms and conditions' and what they will be doing with my data.

Alexis

Bruce,
You took the kIeystrokes right out of my fingers.
Literally thousands of groups have migrated away from Yahoo; most have done this recently because of the total unreliability of YG and the total lack of not only support but basic encouragement to groups to hang in there.
If 10,000 more groups exit yahoo I wouldn't be surprised.? Their Board of Directors has snatched defeat from the jaws of victory with virtually every decision they have made.? ?(Catchphrase courtesy of the? old Datamation magazine in an article about why Sperry Rand lost the battle with IBM ca 1970)
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If you are an owner and a simple member on the same group(s), you could use your owner ability to check your simple user settings and also the globall group settings.??
The same goes for being a moderator but you have less ability to do so.

I think you will find that many of what you? consider "issues" are really owner/moderator setting to individual groups.
and your attempt to "globally" attack the problem will continue to frustrate you.
You should build a matrix for each of your apparent login abilities

• with each of your groups in the row position
• and each of what privileges you think you should have in the column positions.

Then, one login at a time, start testing what you can do on each? group, annotating your matrices until you have a full picture of what you can do with each login on each group.

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On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 09:22 am, Jim Betz wrote:

It appears that if I am the owner or a moderator I do not have this
problem.?

Sounds to me like the group owner is the problem. I'd send him a screenshot of the corresponding location in Settings. (Features->Photos->Permissions)

Hope this helps,
Bruce?
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My question is why would you want to do that?? YG are in turmoil which is the reason so many groups are moving/have moved to groups.io.? Transfer your group to groups.io and the mothball the old YG by preventing anyone from posting except admins and put everyone on moderated status so if they try to post you can send them a message saying the YG is inactive and post to the new groups.io.? Keeping the old YG active defeats the whole purpose of moving to groups.io.


Bruce Wilson
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Jim,

Perhaps this is a Java level thing?? I'm running 1.8.0_171 ...

Seems more like those groups' Photo Permissions are set Subscribers can view, moderators can upload. Meaning that mere members cannot upload.

Shal

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On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 01:55 am, Heijo Alting wrote:

Is it possible to have a yahoogroup and a copy of it on iogroups (after duplicating the archive, member list and settings) work side by side? Would the iogroup be updated with any new messages from yahoogroups once all data are copied? Could new messages that are written in the iogroup somehow be conveyed to the old yahoogroup?

There is an email integration that could be used...having established this email address you can then subscribe that to your Y!G.

See Admin->Integrations->Email Integration.

Going both ways is pretty risky. You don't want a message to the Y!G to be posted to IO, which then posts back to the Y!G, ad infinitum. I'm told there are message header kludges that will keep this from happening, but it's generally much simpler just to migrate everybody and make a clean break.
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Shal,anyone ...

? Perhaps this is a Java level thing?? I'm running 1.8.0_171 ...
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? - Jim B.

I am a Group Manager for an online discussion group for a very rare form of cancer (Waldenstrom's macroglobulinemia).? Our membership thus far is over 2,100 persons (most just provide their email address when they subscribe), from around the world.? I know that Groups.io updated their cookie policy to comply with GDPR.

A good number of our members continue to use their own email client to send and receive postings, however, and don't interact with groups.io much.? In that fashion their email address is visible when they send a message.? Any personal data that they share is done by them knowing that they are doing so willingly.? (I do not use any data for analysis or collect any data thereof.)

Are any measures required from a group owner perspective, or should it just be business as usual?? Have any other group members done anything yet to ensure that their group is compliant with GDPR?? What steps have you taken?

Any help/advice would be much appreciated!

Pete DeNardis
Group Owner of "IWMF Connect"

Shal,

? Update - this one group is not the only one.? I have several that are
behaving the same way ... I can look at Photos but I do not have the
New Album button.
? It appears that if I am the owner or a moderator I do not have this
problem.? However, I have many groups that I'm a simple/regular
member of that I -DO- see the New Album button ... so it isn't
simply whether or not I'm an Owner/Moderator.
? And again, for completeness, this happens when I use either
Chrome (my primary browser) or Edge.? I have not tried Firefox
yet.
? Still looking for things to try/a fix.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?- Jim B.

Shal/all,
? I still have a problem with respect to access - with only one group out of?
more than 2 dozen.
? I can post.? I can use files (including adding new files/folders).
? I can not ADD photos or albums to Photos.? In fact I don't even
have the button for "New Album".

? Yes, I have checked with the group owner and I am a full
member with full privileges/rights - and the group does not
have any restrictions about who can update Photos.

? I have tried everything I can think of/has been suggested with respect
to this problem - deleted the alternate Chrome bookmark, eliminated
any?Chrome 'memory', logged out of groups.io (and back in), etc.??

? Do you have any other suggestions other than using some other
browser?? whoops,? I just checked and I have the same problem in Edge.

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? - Jim B.

Thanks, Duane. We'll try to figure this out.

You might be able to get it to work, but that would be something that you'd have to figure out on your own.? There is no built in mechanism to do it, nor any indication that it is under consideration.? The transfer/copy is a one time process (unless there are major problems.)

Duane
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People bouncing in the yahoo group at the time of transfer are not transferred.
I sent an invite to all bouncing members after the transfer, I am not sure if anybody bothered, suspicion is no.
Trying to unbounce members is indeed much easier with io, I hardly ever bothered after yahoo's neonizing as it was just too much hassle.
Barbara

Marina,

it was quite a lot of work to inform all the members of my group before the transfer. We were close to 600. I then deleted the ones of which the mails returned which were quite a few (close to 150). But even after the transfer there were many who ended up in the boucing list of my new group.io (most of them with yahoo-addresses).

Having said this I find it much easier to send a bouncing message to members from the io bouncing list than from yahoo. Had I known this before I wouldn?t have bothered so much about deleting bouncing members before the transfer. Therefore IMO it?s more reasonable to delete them after the "show-down".

Victoria

Dear all,

Is it possible to have a yahoogroup and a copy of it on iogroups (after duplicating the archive, member list and settings) work side by side? Would the iogroup be updated with any new messages from yahoogroups once all data are copied? Could new messages that are written in the iogroup somehow be conveyed to the old yahoogroup?