I recently discovered that my basic Group was using the entire 2Gb of storage
Mostly with photos. This is after 15 years with Yahoo. We are sort of a how to do it
Group, and phone pics have gotten bigger. The members do not want me to simply
delete all old stuff, because it has historical value
I have deleted some that were not of much use and gained 130 Mb of space.
The pics attached to messages are 26% of our total space now.

I can start an effort to induce posters to judge how much detail is needed in a pic.
Perhaps I can cut the Attachments space in half.

All this is a short term (4-5 years?) solution.
Members have suggested upgrading and offered funding.
But it appears that for us, if the funding stops, all the old stuff exceeding 1Gb
will be gone. That is what the members are afraid of.
We have no use for any of the other features, and most of our members are not
technically capable.

How about a 2-5 Gb for a one time payment program being available?
Even better maybe a one time payment for a forever 1 Gb more space as a basic -2 upgrade?
And repeatable every few years as the new space fill up.
This could be up to 10Gb at which point some new decision is in order.
Like buying bananas by the pound.
Use them up and then buy more.

I cannot see our group ever using 10 Gb (famous last words!) and we may never fill a second Gb.
Then too as the volume of information increases, the likelihood of anyone finding anything
useful to themselves decreases.? We have no Google to find anything in the Photos or Files sections,
and many members of our Group find it easier to place an inquiry to the group and have it answered by a member as
to the location of the information where it has been for 10 years. Few photos even have a caption.

My group has only 765 members, and within our obscure "hobby/avocation" the membership is dropping slowly.
There is no possibility of ever having more than 1000 members.
There must be a lot of Groups with the same limited future.

Thanks in advance for your consideration.

Richard

I don't believe it has been established if or how the GDPR will apply to online communities or specifically mailing list archives. Such contributions are qualitatively different than personal information collected privately.

Change the Group description to state that a requirement of group participation is that all messages should not be deleted and/or edited, and send a Special Notice of the policy clarification / update, and put it in the Message Footer too.

You could be sure to send a reply to the group of every message from the 'Post Deleting Member' and quote their message. Then if they delete their post, the quote of it would still be archived… It’s not ideal and a bit of a hassle.

Warn the Deleter first, that you will do that.
And that you could put them on Moderation to be sure you can do that before they delete.

Go to Admin: Settings: Message Policies and check:
Disable Editing Posts
Don't allow members to edit their own posts.
(And click on: Update Group)
I’m not sure if this will also prevent deletions or not.

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On 05/07/18 01:59 PM, Kleibe J wrote:

... BUT I want, as moderator, to keep the messages...

If the individual lives in Europe, you don't have that option. If they want the data deleted, comply or be fined a fairly significant amount - the greater of E10,000,000 or 10% of gross worldwide revenue.

After 1 January 2020, if your user lives in California, and assuming that Google,FaceBook, and the like haven't bribed the state legislature into abolishing it, you won't have that option. However, statutory damages are only US$7,500 per occurrence.

jonathon

And the fine for unsubscribing a member who won't stop erasing his/her messages (after all of his/her messages are deleted, of course) is $0.00

Jim H

On 05/07/18 05:06 AM, Shal Farley wrote:

There is no ability to prevent a member from deleting their own content
(posts, files, photos, etc.) - except gentle persuasion. That's by design.

Does Groups.IO honour x-no-archive headers?

jonathon

On 05/07/18 01:59 PM, Kleibe J wrote:

him in this aspect BUT I want, as moderator, to keep the messages...

If the individual lives in Europe, you don't have that option. If they
want the data deleted, comply or be fined a fairly significant amount -
the greater of E10,000,000 or 10% of gross worldwide revenue.

After 1 January 2020, if your user lives in California, and assuming
that Google,FaceBook, and the like haven't bribed the state legislature
into abolishing it, you won't have that option. However, statutory
damages are only US$7,500 per occurrence.

jonathon

OK it's now on beta, but under a new heading.

Thanks,

Chris

<<In Premium groups, there is an option to look at Past Members. You can sort that list by the Reason field to get all the "SPAM left" folks and with some cut-and-paste (perhaps into a spreadsheet) prepare a list that way. >>

Bruce, even with the free version, I can easily narrow down all the people unsubbed by going to Activity - Member Activity - Action = Removed because of Spam Report.? Was trying, however, NOT to do this manually (copying and pasting 2 pages of email addresses).? I may pose this on the beta forum - some way to maybe export those email addresses in some easy way, so we can send a group email using our private email address, notifying them they've been auto unsubbed.? Hoping the # of folks being auto unsubbed slows down, and that this is just a phenomena of inactive, transferred members just deciding they don't want to be a list member, and (foolishly) marking our emails as Spam.

Patty Sliney

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? Ability to set ‘newest first’ as a default for topic and message list interfaces.?

? Ability to set default sort method for photos and albums.?

? Ability to sort attached files and albums by member name?(I think Jack posted it 5, or was it 10 years ago but don’t recall what he titled the album.)

? Emailed pix might be changed to Attached pix?(because they can also be added via poring thru the website UI.)?

? Ability to set a streamlined topic and message list (see any Simple Machines forum website if you’re not sure what I mean.)

? Ability of the digest emails, when clicking the hotline of the topic or reply, to take you there in the email, rather than automatically opening up the website user interface.?

Ken K

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They can only delete their posts from the messages. Their post went through the group?via email LOL? ? ? ? ?

On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 05:31 am, Heijo Alting wrote:

A couple of weeks ago I aborted my first attempt to move a yahoogroup to io because nothing seemed to happen.

I overlooked this part on first read. In addition to leaving off domain information when designating the Y!G name, you may also have to delete the pending request.?

Go to?/yahootransfer?, scroll to the bottom, and select the group name from the In Process menu. If present, there should be a button at the bottom of the resulting page to delete the pending request, at which point you are ready to start over.

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<<(Yahoo Groups gave mods that option, to send via the group email
address, or your personal email address).

Groups.io does too. I don't have a Premium group to test with, but one could probably generate the message you're after to those in the "prior" members list (whatever it is called). Except for the resume link - that would be a new feature.>>

Shal, that I know, on an individual message.? What I would like to do, is send a group message to all unsubbed people at once, using my own email address.? However, if ISP's can still detect that the origin is really coming from groups.io, and no my email service, then that feature is basically worthless.? Really, the only way we could reach those unsubbed list members reliably then, is to email them each, individually, from our own email program.? So, that's not going to happen.? We'll just have to rely on those unsubbed members to figure out they are unsubbed, and either reapply, or hopefully find the auto reinstate email, and click on the link provided (which is very unlikely, as it's probably landed in the Spam/Junk folder since the person has now marked groups.io emails as spam.)?

Not sure I like this feature because it makes for a lot of work for list mods to try to re-capture those list members.? You would think you'd know you were unsubbed, but I? have 2 pages of list members who were unsubbed, and no one has asked the list mods, "what happened to me?"? Maybe it's due to a large number of transferred list members who were basically inactive prior to the transfer, and now are not understanding why they were receiving these new groups.io messages?? Not sure, just speculating at this point.? But, it is a bit concerning for me that I have so many unsubbed list members in such a short time period.?

Patty Sliney

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On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 06:02 am, Kleibe J wrote:

I would like the option to block deleting own post existed...

It sounds like this subscriber wants his emails to go out to the list but wants no permanent record of it. We have had a few group owners here suggest this same behavior as a group setting; in that all message delivery would be by email with no online reading of the archive available.

Perhaps if your group archives were private (available to subscribers only) he would be more compliant?

I'll try to figure out how to live with it. lol

I'd kindly remind him that you establish the group rules and you will use your moderator role to enforce them if necessary.

Hope this helps,
Bruce?
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On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 05:31 am, Heijo Alting wrote:

The error message on entering the yahoogroup name (a valid name of an existing group) was:That is not a valid Yahoo Group.

Enter just the group name, not the domain information.?See?/g/GroupManagersForum/message/8697

Hope this helps,
Bruce?
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