On 18/07/18 12:59 PM, Chris wrote:

the committee have decided that in order to comply with GDRP every member must re-subscribe every 2 years.

Which of the 18 or so official versions of the GDPR, and/or official
statute of the 28 member states and roughly dozen other countries that
tend to follow EU directives, are they looking at, to come to that
conclusion?

I know that the various official versions of the GDPR, do conflict with
each other, and that some countries added things to it, and others
removed things to it, But of the half dozen translations of official
statutes, and half dozen official versions of the GDPR I've read, I
haven't seen anything that has that as a suggestion, much less a
requirement.

More pointedly, even the privacy lawyers in Europe are suggesting that
the wave of "please re-suscribe" requests that hit list-subscribers when
punishment for violating the GDPR went into effect, were unnecessary, if
the list had been adhering to the law that went into effect in 2002.

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I'm assuming they are referring to the GDPR, as laid out by the European
Union. If they mean the GDPR, as proposed in California (^2), BRICS
(^1), or somewhere else, then that needs to be specified.

If they are looking of the privacy statutes in the Philippines, then;
* that law applies only within the Philippines;
* that law appears to be enforced only against those on the hit list of
the politicians that mismanage that country;

My recollection is that the two year requirement is for data retention,
with the count starting at the demise of the list. IOW, you have to keep
subscription information of each subscriber, from the time the
individual subscribes, until two years after the list shut down.
However, I might be confusing Philippine law, with that of another country.

My idea of a feature request is to have an extra field with a date that the acceptance with GDRP was declared for each member.

If the sole reason for implementing this feature, is to conform with
that an alleged requirement of the GDPR, then the requester needs to
cite both the statute law and the case law, that supports the alleged
requirement. Given the plethora of requests Mark has been given, I don't
see him implementing this, unless Legal-Man presents a very solid legal
case for so doing.

Using Estonian law as the example, the requirement is that the list
owner show the date that the individual subscribed, and be able to
demonstrate that the subscription was voluntary in nature. I'm not going
to go into what constitute "voluntary" and "involuntary" under Estonian
Law, except to say that as a general rule of thumb, somebody sending an
email to an email list, to subscribe to the list, is "voluntary". The
major exception is when subscribing is required, to participate in a
sweepstakes, or similar giveaway.

Groups.IO keeps the date that one subscribed to a list, and how they
subscribed (email, web, moderator/owner added, other). This record
conforms with current Estonian law.

Finally a feature to remove all members with out of date acceptances from the list.

Back around 1992, it was fairly common for list-owners to unsubscribe
everybody on all of the lists they owned, or managed, at least once a
year. Then Eternal Fall happened, and list subscribers appeared to have
lost the ability to know how to re-subscribe. If that list committee
really thinks that the GDPR mandates re-confirming list subscriptions
every two years, then the simple solution is for them to, on the first
Monday of even years, unsubscribe everybody on the list, regardless of
when they subscribed to the list, and wait for people to re-subscribe.
Call it _The Great Biannual Re-subscription Day_.

Apologies if this has already been raised or indeed it's the incorrect place.

This is a good place to float ideas.

Responses might not be what you expect, but will, as a general rule,
explain why a proposal is a good idea, or a bad idea, or needs more
information, to ascertain the utility of the proposal.

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^1: Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa. All five have floated a
proposal similar to the GDPR in the last six months. Just how they
reconcile it with their internal security "requirements", makes for some
interesting situations.

^2: The California statute, which is a watered down version of the GDPR,
goes into effect 1 January 2020. Off the cuff, I'd be very surprised if
it mandated all list subscriptions be verified every two years. I don't
remember reading anything that carved out a special exemption for
politicians. I'm fairly confident that no political campaign manager
wants to devote one week each year, to confirm that their donors still
want to donate to CREEP,(^3) or whatever the politician chooses to call
his/her re-election fund.

^3: CREEP: _Committee to RE-Elect the President_ was the name of Nixon's
campaign, in 1972.

I am not a lawyer. This is not legal advice.


jonathon

Several times I have received blank digests, and just lost a member because of it,
What's going on?

Nina

On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 11:46 AM, Claire Tompkins wrote:

If you have a suitable suggestion, I’d love to hear it. ?Yahoo and Google Groups both seem to be subpar.?

The first thing I'd try is converting some of the TIFs to one of the other formats at low compression. It's amazing how much storage can be saved that way and still have a sharp, legible image.

Some folks set up a public folder on a Google Drive, upload all the big files there, and insert links in their emails instead. It's a little kludgy but if you decide to use Google Groups instead of GIO you're gonna find yourself doing much the same thing.

Another option is to pay $110/year for a Premium group with 10 GB storage.

Or any combination thereof.

Hope this helps,
Bruce
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Sad phenom, but necessary I guess.

Max Munger

I will be sending a followup on yahoo remind g old members to take a new look at gio.
Hope they will come back.

Max Munger

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On Wednesday, July 18, 2018 Sarah k Alawami <[email protected]> wrote:

Jim,
Well, yes and no.?
I'm pretty sure that if your group only has one owner, your account would not be removed as owner.? Perhaps someone can confirm that.
Even if you were unsubscribed from the groups, you could still login to groups.io on the web and resubscribe.? All of us owners that have active groups, have made a 2nd person / account / email as a 2nd owner to provide access to and control of the group if anything should happen to the primary owner person or email.? This situation is a reminder that the 2nd email should hosted by a different mail provider.
Also, an email to [email protected]?would quickly resolve the problem as Mark can fix anything.

Thanks,
Toby

PS
Mark is on vacation:

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Each account / member on groups.io can subscribe to one or more groups.? For each group that the member subscribes to, they have a group profile.? One of the fields in the group profile is the display name to use for that group.??
Subscribers can set their display name on their group subscription page:


When a group is transferred, the subscriber's display name, near as I can tell, is left empty.? When they post a message, if their email address has a name attached, then the display name is updated using that name.? Your post contained this "From: Beth Weld <bethweld77@...>" so if you didn't have a display name set, "Beth Weld" would be put there.? ?See?

As an owner, you also have access to and can change a subscriber's display name for your group from Admin -> Members.

There has been much discussion about controlling, locking, forcing display names in this and the Beta forum.
Thanks
Toby

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Does this mean that during this ridiculous problem caused entirely by RoadRunner/Spectrum, that as a Group OWNER I risk being unsubscribed from my Groups and thus lose them? Please say it ain't so!

Jim H



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Have you reviewed this help page? ->?/static/help#membernotices

Welcome

Sent automatically to members who join an unrestricted group, or whose membership in a restricted group has been approved. A Welcome notice is always sent to new members. If the group has not created and activated a custom notice, we activate and send a default.

Thanks,
Toby

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If they are marking the messages as spam ?and removing them from the spam folder they will be unsubed. Or they might just be leaving.?Let them I say, they will either come back, or they won’t. Maybe they were on digest on yahoo and forgot about that. I’ve learned as a mod to just say bye to?the ones who don’t want to ?stay and not cry over it. They ?will be back soon, or not.

Max, most likely this unsubscribe phenomena you're seeing right after the transfer is due to all your inactive list members finding out they were transferred, are not participating on your group, and have decided it's time to simply unsub.? Many may have been on No Mail, and didn't even realize they were still subscribed to your list.? Happened to me as well.? I transferred two large Yahoo groups (around 5,000 list members each), so we have quite a few unsubscriptions for about 3-4 days after the transfer.? This is the is pretty normal.

Patty Sliney

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On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 04:45 PM, MILLARD MUNGER wrote:

I am receiving numerous messages that members are leaving the gio -unsubscribing?

Well they may or may not be; have a close look at the Notifications that you receive when anyone leaves.

If there is a mention of being removed for "marking a message as spam" then the members concerned have been automatically "dismembered", most likely by their Mail Service Provider. See this from the GMF wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Removed-for-spam for more information.

It may be that your (ex) members have simply decided to leave; the group I moderate had more than a few of those when we migrated last December. We suspected that they were on "no emails" and the notification they received telling them about the move to Groups.io (not excluded by their "no email" choice) acted as a trigger for their realising that they were no longer interested so they just left of their own accord.

As I mentioned above, have a closer look at the Notifications that you are receiving.

Chris

This is common - lots of people who signed up ages ago and have not “read” emails or lists will suddenly notice that they don’t want to be in there after all. This happened with our big Groups on transfer - not one name was familiar to me (we mod all posts, so see all the regulars regularly..) You are better off without.. And they can always ask to rejoin…

Good morning,
Our group had been experiencing the same thing. We figured out pretty quickly on our end that each of our members (or a designee from each department) would need to contact their city's IT area and make sure that groups.io was listed as a "safe site" for the firewalls to allow messages through.

My group is for law enforcement agencies, though - and each jurisdiction has their own internet usage policy. I'm not sure if your group is similar.