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Re: Deleting old emails??

 

On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 02:40 PM, Cherry Delaney wrote:
I need to delete about 62,000 emails. At the present course I am taking that means I will have to touch every email to delete it. Is there a setting that can delete anything older than a preset date?? Please tell me there is.
Cherry -- Sorry, but the answer is no.

Your best bet for rapid email deletion is to go to?/g/groupname/topics-test?(replace "groupname" with the name of your group). Click the "Date" link at upper right as needed to change the sort order, bringing the oldest topics to the top.

Now if you click in the checkbox at upper left, it will auto-select every topic displayed on the page. Click the red Delete button. Repeat as needed, keeping track of the displayed dates so you don't overshoot your mark.

If you need to display more entries per page, go to?/account?page=prefs?and change the "Items per Page" entry to 100. This will allow you to delete more topics at one time.

Be careful when doing this. There is no undo feature, and once you click that Delete button, they are gone forever.

Hope this helps,
Bruce
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Re: Subscriber was removed for marking a message as spam?

 

On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 02:41 PM, ?? Rosa - Rosa Tags ?? wrote:
Some explanation?. Thanks.
Rosa -- This is a frequently-complained-about feature of groups.io. The bottom line is that groups.io cannot afford to get a reputation as a spamming service.

[The .io top-level domain (British Indian Ocean Territory) does not help in that regard.]

In any event, please read the wiki entry at?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Removed-for-spam?and come back here with any further questions.

Hope this helps,
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Re: Responding to Messages sent to Owner Email Address

 

Hi Brian, go to the group stadione website, plot the memory history, in the search field, pasted email address which you have received the email from. This should pull up the current member that his sent you the message. Open up the little window that allows you to approve or remove or band a member. In this window, there is a little area where there something called owners messages. Or in the activity history, if you pull this up, you can reply using owners address that way.

On Feb 26, 2019, at 11:38 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

I've recently been named moderator on another group here in Groups.io, and on this one I will be dealing with the occasional message sent to Owner whereas on the other I am not.

This morning, an e-mail message arrived in my inbox that was addressed to the group owner, and that wasn't any surprise. What was a surprise, though, is that I cannot seem to find that message to respond to anywhere under the Admin panel or elsewhere, such as when someone subscribes and needs approval.

I do not want to respond to it directly from my own e-mail address until I confirm that doing so would still carry the group owner address as the source. If it won't, then how on earth is one supposed to respond to messages addressed to the group owner? I don't want my personal e-mail address to be what's on what I send back when I'm acting in the role of moderator and in the stead of the group owner.

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Subscriber was removed for marking a message as spam?

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Responding to Messages sent to Owner Email Address

Brian Vogel
 

I've recently been named moderator on another group here in Groups.io, and on this one I will be dealing with the occasional message sent to Owner whereas on the other I am not.

This morning, an e-mail message arrived in my inbox that was addressed to the group owner, and that wasn't any surprise.? What was a surprise, though, is that I cannot seem to find that message to respond to anywhere under the Admin panel or elsewhere, such as when someone subscribes and needs approval.

I do not want to respond to it directly from my own e-mail address until I confirm that doing so would still carry the group owner address as the source.? If it won't, then how on earth is one supposed to respond to messages addressed to the group owner?? ?I don't want my personal e-mail address to be what's on what I send back when I'm acting in the role of moderator and in the stead of the group owner.

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Deleting old emails??

Cherry Delaney
 

I have over 13 years worth of emails that were brought over when we moved to IO. I need to delete about 62,000 emails. At the present?
course I am taking that means I will have to touch every email to delete it. Is there a setting that can delete anything older than a preset date?? Please tell me there is.

Cherry


Re: Wisdom of forcing HTML e-mails

 

On 2019/02/26 05:04 PM, Mark Emmer wrote:

Still, we find that naive or careless users can't distinguish between "Reply" and "Reply All" in their e-mail reader...
[I apologise if this is off-topic, or if I'm repeating myself.]

What do the "Reply" and "Reply All" buttons in your mail program do with GMF mails?

When I right-click a message in Thunderbird, I get three options: 1. Reply to Sender Only, 2. Reply to All, and 3. Reply to List.

With GMF mails, options 1 and 2 have the same effect: the mail goes to the list. When option 3, the "TO" field is empty but the rest of the e-mail remains intact (as if I would want to send it to someone else).

With mails from a Google Group, however, option 1 sends the reply to the sender, option 2 sends it to both the sender and the list, and option 3 sends it to the list only.

So, from a Thunderbird user's perspective, Google Groups behaves as expected and Groups.io behaves simply WRONG.

Some continue to believe that Reply in their e-mail reader is a private reply, while Reply All in the reader is a way to reply to the group.
This is exactly how some mailing lists that I belong to, work. So I can imagine it must be frustrating/confounding for users to discover that your (my) mailing list doesn't work like all their other mailing lists.

But anyway, yes, the reason I consider forcing HTML is to ensure that there is a link in the footer with the sender's e-mail address. There does not seem to be another reasonably predictable way to tell users what the sender's e-mail address is.

Samuel


Re: Does a potential member always receive a 'Pending Notice'?

 

>>Does a potential member always receive a 'Pending Notice'?

No. From the system Help:
Pending Subscription

Sent automatically to anyone who applies for membership in a restricted group. The notice marked "active" is the one sent; if no notice is active, none is sent. Some groups use this notice to ask a series of questions of applicants in support of their application; responses will go to the group owner address and be recorded in the member¡¯s page under "+owner messages."

The way I read this, it is only sent if:
  1. The group has a Member Notice of type "Pending Subscription"
  2. That Member Notice is Active
  3. The group has the Restricted box checked in the Spam Control settings
  4. The prospective subscriber applied to join the group themselves (as opposed to you Direct Adding them or sending an Invitation)

Hope this helps,
Bruce
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Re: Import existing main group as a subgroup?

 

Last year, I had to do this for a couple of my groups. I created the subgroups, added the members, and uploaded the files myself. Mark helped me import messages to my new subgroups, using the messages.mbox files I'd exported from the groups.

Lily


Re: Wisdom of forcing HTML e-mails

 

Mark,


Still, we find that naive or careless users can't distinguish between "Reply" and "Reply All" in their e-mail reader ... Sigh.? There always will be those who don't read or can't understand the memo.
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A confounding factor is that different email interfaces make different choices about how to present reply options, depending on the header fields in the message, and what email address(es) to include in each reply option. Amazingly (to me) some interfaces don't even respect the Reply-To header field.

I don't think there's an easy answer to this, and a comprehensive answer is probably a book-length effort if you try to cover the webmail interfaces of the most popular email services plus the various desktop and mobile email apps.

That said, yes, some members won't stray from their preconceived notions and explore the options presented to them and the effect each has. Crossing the "how to learn how" threshold requires an investment of time and interest beyond what some are willing to make.

Shal

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Re: Wisdom of forcing HTML e-mails

 

Samuel,


I see there is an option to force HTML e-mails.? What is the wisdom of
using or no using this option?

One effect is that it means all outbound messages have the HTML footer. Which may be a way to address your concerns about the plain-text footer.

Also it means that linkification of plain-text URLs in the message body happens in a uniform way, rather than being left to the whim of each member's email interface.

A concern is that the conversion to HTML may undo the receiving member's default font choice for emails. Some members are vision-impaired and have their email interface set to render plain text using a larger than normal font size, or a font with particularly clear letterforms.
Another argument against it is that a message converted to HTML is bloated in size for very little real benefit.

Shal


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Re: Wisdom of forcing HTML e-mails

 

We wanted the Reply to Sender link to appear in the footer of all our group emails.? Without forcing HTML, that link won't appear in plaintext messages. Forcing HTML seemed the simplest way to impose some consistency in our explanations of how to reply privately.? Still, we find that naive or careless users can't distinguish between "Reply" and "Reply All" in their e-mail reader and Reply to Group and Reply to Sender in the footer.? Some continue to believe that Reply in their e-mail reader is a private reply, while Reply All in the reader is a way to reply to the group.? Sigh.? There always will be those who don't read or can't understand the memo.

Mark


Does a potential member always receive a 'Pending Notice'?

 

Good day all,

We have three standard notices - "Application Pending"; "Welcome" & "Sorry you are leaving" and all are marked as Active.

On two or three occasions recently, people have applied to join our WildAx Group and despite pressing the appropriate button, they seem to have received the 'Welcome' message and, to be sure they are bone fide I have sent them the Pending notice as soon as this was known.

Am I right or - as has been known! - am I wrong?

Regards

Peter


Re: Show all members in directory, but do not show member list

Leeni
 

In my groups many people use screen names but when a real name is required
I just ask them for it and they tell me. Ilene?
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Well, I'd like to require them to reveal their real names, but if their
real names will be shown next to their e-mail addresses, it might be a
hurdle for some people to join the group or remain (and I understand).
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Re: Edit footer with template information

 

On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 08:55 AM, Samuel Murray wrote:
Are you sure?
Yes.

Reply-to settings affect the footer links appended to all group emails, not just digests. Of course, there is nothing to keep someone from initiating a reply in their email client and then redirecting it to the sender (or anywhere else), even if the corresponding link does not appear.

Online, the "remove other reply options" checkbox actually disables those options in the editor.
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Re: Edit footer with template information

 

On 2019/02/26 02:08 PM, Duane wrote:

On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 06:36 AM, Samuel Murray wrote:
At the bottom of Groups.io mails (HTML only), there is a "Reply To
Sender" link
Only if the group settings allow it.? It's possible to "Remove Other Reply Options" as one of the group settings.? If the group is set to "Reply to Group" and other options are disabled, there shouldn't be a "Reply to Sender" link included.
Are you sure? The wording for that option is:

* Remove Other Reply Options
Removes links on the website and digest to reply options other than your selected Reply To option.

It seems to indicate that the "Reply Other Reply Options" only affect digests and the web-based version of the messages. I'm talking about e-mails that are send in HTML format.

Samuel


Re: Edit footer with template information

 

On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 06:36 AM, Samuel Murray wrote:
At the bottom of Groups.io mails (HTML only), there is a "Reply To Sender" link
Only if the group settings allow it.? It's possible to "Remove Other Reply Options" as one of the group settings.? If the group is set to "Reply to Group" and other options are disabled, there shouldn't be a "Reply to Sender" link included.? Because of all the possibilities for some of the settings, it's difficult to make a Wiki page that covers everything, though we do try, /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Footers

BTW, I got rid of YG! over 5 years ago, so know (or care) very little about them now. ;>)

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Re: Edit footer with template information

 

On 2019/02/26 01:09 PM, Duane wrote:

On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 05:53 AM, Samuel Murray wrote:
In Yahoogroups, the sender's e-mail address is included at the
bottom of each message. At Groups.io, it is there in HTML format but
not in plain text format.
That's the receiver's address, not the sender's.
1. At the bottom of Yahoogroups mails, you get this:

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Posted by: Name Surname <namesurname@...>
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...and that is the e-mail address of the sender. So it's very easy in Yahoogroups to explain to everyone (regardless of which e-mail program they use) how to find the sender's e-mail address.

2. At the bottom of Groups.io mails (HTML only), there is a "Reply To Sender" link, which contains the sender's e-mail address. Telling users to right-click the link is somewhat less simple (and I have no idea if all e-mail programs support right-clicking links), but at least the e-mail address is in a predictable location.

The sender's email address may be in the From: and/or Reply-to: section of the header, depending on group settings.
Yeah, different e-mail programs display this information in different ways and different places, so there is no sure way to tell a non-geek user where he can find that information.

Samuel


Re: Edit footer with template information

 

On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 05:53 AM, Samuel Murray wrote:
In Yahoogroups, the sender's e-mail address is included at the bottom of each message. At Groups.io, it is there in HTML format but not in plain text format.
That's the receiver's address, not the sender's.? It's there as a reminder of which email address is used to subscribe to that particular group and as an aid to unsubscribing.? The sender's email address may be in the From: and/or Reply-to: section of the header, depending on group settings.

Duane
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Wisdom of forcing HTML e-mails

 

Hello everyone

I see there is an option to force HTML e-mails. What is the wisdom of using or no using this option? What effects would it have (that I may not be able to foresee)?

Thanks
Samuel