I don't think any of these apply.

Would it be in connection with being unsubscribed and re-subscribing? ?It all happened at the same time.

Also, any way to find it again somewhere???
Thanks!

On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 09:40 AM, psb b wrote:

Where do my drafts go?

I had three, clicked on Drafts, and they weren't there -- they disappeared! ?Not there!

It's easy to delete your drafts by clicking on the red Discard button at the wrong time. If you -- as group owner -- need a message template so you can send subscribers a canned response occasionally, it's really safer to do that with a Member Notice of type "Note to Member." See?/static/help#membernotices?for details.

Hope this helps,
Bruce?
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Make sure that you don't have multiple groups.io pages at the same time. Also try refreshing your browser.?

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Where do my drafts go?

I had three, clicked on Drafts, and they weren't there -- they disappeared! ?Not there!

One I worked very hard to create!!!! ?So disappointing.

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How ridiculous.? It's Mark's group and he can run it how he wishes, including supporting whatever groups he wants to.? It's really none of your business.? If you don't like it, you can leave anytime.

Bruce

The editing decision is to resend (if the edit is significant) or save w/o resending (if minor.). Limiting enough, otherwise the group can turn off editing all together. But there’s no logical point to allow text editing only.

So posted to beta. thx.

Thanks Prada’s, I?wasn’t aware of that policy. ?No matter the memberships’ and users’ leanings, that policy by Mark is inappropriate and should be removed and I’m telling him so. ?Let him spend his own money privately to support whatever HE wants to left, right, or middle.?

Thx
Ken

Prasad,

Actually there are two members most vocal in preventing the transfer.

So I guess what you, the group owner(s), have to decide is whether their concerns, and the probable loss of their continued participation, outweighs the risk of staying on Yahoo's platform in the face of its continued deterioration and the possibility that it may be abruptly shut down.

There are of course other platforms you could move to, particularly since you are willing to pay for the group's operation, but none that I've ever heard of that offers anything like the Easy Group Transfer option for copying your content to the new platform.

And of course, in terms of political agendas, the others may as bad or worse - just better at keeping it to themselves. So there may be a factor of "better the devil you know" since Mark is remarkably open about his position on things if you choose to follow his Twitter feed.

I am not concerned how money gets spent.

I'm not currently running any Premium groups (my PTA group periodically goes Premium for a month, but that isn't a big deal) so I don't face that question directly. Nevertheless I think that my attitude would be similar. I understand the argument about standing on principle, but for better or worse there's more to my life than other people's political agendas.

I am concerned that this objection is creating a hurdle in this move.

The only way I can think of to address this directly is to suggest to Groups.io that the transfer offer a feature to exclude a list of Y!group member addresses during the transfer. No harm in asking, but I don't know that you can count on prompt implementation given all the other "asks" on his plate.


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Leeni,

First of all, I don't think her name should have been used explaining
the problem.

I've corrected that moderation error by extending the redaction to remove her last name as well as email address.

My correction to the archive doesn't "fix" the messages already sent of course, but this does serve as a reminder that GMF's messages are available publicly - and searchable via web search engines - so other people's personal identities (last names, email addresses, etc.) should not be posted here.

So if porn sites were sent to you they came from other people using
that public computer and were not from her.

If you and Kaiala wish to discuss this person's circumstances any further, please do so off list.

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Prasad,

Now the second part which is tough. The particular member has now
explained the reason for his objection. He says he is objecting
because "owners/operators of groups.io ... made their agenda public -
and that's where _I_ have to draw a line ...

That is indeed a tough situation.

I'm sympathetic to the member's position, I too would prefer that Mark had kept his personal politics completely separate from the operation of his product. It is a product with worldwide scope, and hopes of long term endurance. Encumbering it with topical U.S. political concerns seems to me counterproductive at best.

Your situation is a case in point: the alienation of a potential user is adversely impacting your efforts to manage your group.

He says "You DO NOT have my permission to transfer/move, or to cause
to be moved/transferred, any of my my personal information: including,
but not necessarily limited to: my email addresses, Yahoo user names,
and/or Yahoo account info to groups.io -- or to any other venue."

This leaves you with limited options.

But there are a huge number of posts that he started and also his
replies to posts made by other members. ... That would be a herculean
task and even if it is done, it would make us lose a big lot of useful
archive data.

You may wish to take a personal archive immediately, using PG Offline. Whether you remove it or he does, that will enable you to re-write and re-post the useful information at your leisure and/or when the need for it comes up.


The easiest thing to do would be to ignore his concerns and complete your transfer as expeditiously as practical. The advantage of doing it this way is that you can perform any deletions that you decide to make using a system that works and is supported, rather than struggling with finding and deleting things in the Yahoo group. In particular, if he remains a member of the Yahoo group at the time of the transfer then his postings will be findable in Groups.io after the transfer using the "All posts by this member" feature. That will not be true otherwise.

During the transfer he'll receive a "You have been added" notice from Groups.io that offers him a way to unsubscribe from the groups.io group. Even if he chooses to unsubscribe when notified that doesn't prevent his content from being transferred (the content transfer will be completed before any of these notices are sent). Of course, he won't like that, so make sure his Posting Privileges in the Yahoo Group is set to "Override - posts are moderated" to avoid any unpleasantness before or after the transfer (that setting will be transferred along with his subscription).


Next easiest on you might be to take Donald's and Milt's advice and tell him that if he doesn't want to move with the group he must "take his marbles and go home" - remove his content and membership from the Yahoo group before the transfer.

The loss of his useful information is one good reason not go this way - particularly if you had intended to leave the Yahoo group stand as its own archive (still available for reading, but with all posting limited ("moderator only"). It is also possible that he may not wish to remove, or have his content removed, from the Yahoo group; for the same reason.

Do we need to delete each and every such post that has any reference
to him?

I say no, only his postings and replies. If other members' messages contain quotes of him I do not believe he has right (by Copyright or otherwise) to have that material removed.

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On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 06:06 PM, Ken Kloeber wrote:

I tried a search for this issue but due to Mark’s completely dysfunctional search mechanism that’s impossible using more than one word.

Instructions for the message archive search engine can be found at?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Using-the-Search-Engine.?It is possible that this question has not been asked before.

Is there no way to attach (another) pdf (or for that matter any file) when editing a post?!?
Or substitute one file for the original?!?

To the best of my knowledge, there is not.?

A bug?
By design?

I believe that limiting some message edit capabilities is appropriate, given that the message has probably already gone out to the group as emails, and there is no way to retrieve them. But that's just one man's opinion.

You might consider posting this inquiry to beta as a feature request. Maybe someone there with more groups.io history -- perhaps even Mark -- will respond.

Hope this helps,
Bruce?
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? Hello... ? I am a group owner and had a person ? ???????????Jessie [redacted] ??????? Try to join one of my groups yesterday and today but did not meet the requirements of sending an email on an Incredimail Stat to show that they have and use Incredimail as my groups are Incredimail Stat sharing groups. I have rec'd emails back and forth from her most of the afternoon trying to explain what to do and she intimated that she had a learning disability but I doubted it but gave her the benefit of the doubt until she sent me an email on a broken email. Prior to this she sent all emails to me on white backgrounds until she made the mistake to send me a reply on a stat I had used replying to her. It came to me broken which is an obvious sign she was not using Incredimail at all. ? At that point I told her I was done and that she would be banned from my groups. ? Then immediately I rec'd three emails from porn or sex sites to my email addy. And then being not very smart she sent me an email bragging about the fact that she had sent them to me. Now I did not open those three emails, I'm a bit smarter than that, I just blocked all three senders so I won't have to deal with those three again. ? I just think that if this is the way she handles things other group owners might like to be aware of this. ? What can be done, if anything, about this. ? Not happy.... Kaiala

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On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 09:46 AM, Prasad wrote:

Actually there are two members most vocal in preventing the transfer. They believe that groups.io has an agenda and are using the Premium group revenue to finance promotion of left-wing political view.

Prasad,
I'd never visited that link but what he's saying is it's ok to lobby right wing activities then, like all the big players do, buy politicians and gouge the rest.
Well- point out it takes two wings to fly- and he/ they should flock off soon !
Religiously and Righteously (how inappropriate)
davew ;-)

[Mod Note:? This is getting dangerously close to a political discussion, so best to drop this part of it.]

I tried a search for this issue but due to Mark’s completely dysfunctional search mechanism that’s impossible using more than one word.

Is there no way to attach (another) pdf (or for that matter any file) when editing a post?!?
Or substitute one file for the original?!?
On Win 7 pro/chrome (so no device screen size issue) there’s no way that I see to attach a file.?
Or am I missing something?
A bug?
By design?

I’ll ask the obvious- what’s the point of providing editing if you can’t EDIT?

On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 12:54 AM, Jim Wilson wrote:

One of our users who posts several times a day suddenly noticed that their posts were sometimes not showing up for days. Also, when their posts finally became available in the timeline, not a single word could be found through "Search Conversations" whatsoever. Well, stand by, because you're probably not going to believe what I found.

After researching this extensively, I discovered that no post made after January 8th, 2019, has been indexed, meaning that no post since that date can be searched or will be included in any search results!

Jim,
I concur. I became a club President and thereby sought Admin rights on a group.
I can confirm that likewise, no 'system logging' as found under 'Management/ Activity logging' has been functioning since or by mid-November 2018. Absolutely none.
?Yes there are some moderator functions that are still recorded under other headings, but not the full brace.

regards
davew

Ken?

Actually there are two members most vocal in preventing the transfer. They believe that groups.io has an agenda and are using the Premium group revenue to finance promotion of left-wing political view. They point at the note at the top of the page on??/static/pricing

On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 10:22 PM, Glenn Glazer wrote:

What I am wondering is if there an automated way of handling this problem. For example, if a particular hashtag, like #resolution or something was used, the thread would be locked from the start. People could reply to the sender, but not the group.

I thought of yet another way to do this, which is rather than use a hashtag, create an "announce" subgroup, enroll the entire primary group in it, mark the subgroup as reply-to-sender and tell people to send their resolutions and whatnot there.

There would be some ongoing synchronization work, but not bad.

Best,

Glenn

Jim,

The only reason we /haven't/ moved to Groups.IO already is because
there is no current facility to move post attachments intact or at
least referenced within the post. ... Mark Fletcher??!!

Right name, wrong place. Mark doesn't read GMF.

Hopefully he will take into consideration your suggestion in beta:


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