On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 12:29 PM, Jim Pruitt wrote:

The file is/was a 55kb HTML file.? I tried multiple times with Waterfox (a Firefox 56 derivative), a Firefox (latest version) and Chrome.? All did the same thing.?

Jim -- Did the file contain any javascript, php, or anything like that? Such things are filtered from the message composition window...might be filtered from file uploads, too.

I have experienced no trouble uploading straight html.
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Gentle GMF Members,

I'd have to strongly agree with the points made by DR Stinson in his post above, especially in that plain text allows one (i.e., me) to set the display to a font/size that is comfortable for me to read.

The other reason for choosing to set my group to plain text only is that, by using HTML/rich text, it can permit invisible, executable malware/applets to sneak in undetected. For that bit alone I reason that plain text is a very useful better-safe-than-sorry option.

Also, with one of my groups many of the members are in a 3rd world country where some of them have very slow Internet service with limited bandwidth which makes plain text (and no piggybacking) important to them to help minimize download time, especially when they are billed by the minute while they are online.

Just FWIW . . . .

Paul M.
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The file is/was a 55kb HTML file.? I tried multiple times with Waterfox (a Firefox 56 derivative), a Firefox (latest version) and Chrome.? All did the same thing.? First I got a warning that the site was not secure.? That usually means the version of the site certificate is out of date.? Then it would show connecting to the 209.xxx.xxx.xxx IP address of Groups.io.? I pasted the exact error message into a couple of these posts.? The 55kb HTML file came from the Yahoo group site of the same name.? I could not move/copy that group because the moderator had long since abandoned the group.? I suspect that he either died or went into a nursing home.? I have been a member of that (yahoo) group for 3 years and I can't contact the owner as there is never a reply and he/she never approves my post so it dies after 14 days.? Also as I stated before,? I can upload other files,? just not that one.? I had tried by uploading only that file and it refused.? I wondered if that is why groups.io rejected all of the 41 files I tried to upload the first few times in one session.? The operating system is Windows 7 (64).

I do have a question in to support (Mark) so we will see what he says.

Thank you.

Jim

On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 10:25 PM, Rob Bulnes wrote:

but in trying to upload a couple of video files (over 500 mb) the site seems to lock up.

Issues file large file uploads were also discussed here: /g/GroupManagersForum/topic/30953352
I've still had no update on the ticket I raised.

Andy

On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 03:25 AM, Shal Farley wrote:

an ICS format attachment to a message (and possibly only works from at Outlook calendar).

I've just done some testing from Hotmail and Google Calendar web pages.? The ICS files from the events I set up were received by my test group on Groups.io but not added to the Groups.io calendar. It does work from Outlook though.? I'll raise this with Mark.

Andy

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On 6/9/2019 18:47, Shal Farley wrote:

Ken,

Pics end up inline with the msg, text anywhere I want to put it. Ergo:

Interesting that it looks inline while you're composing the message.

Your message arrived at Groups.io (and my email inbox) with only two elements: a text/plain message body and the image/jpeg attached photo.

I don't know if there's an option you could have used to change that. Gmail (including on Android) tends to send messages as text/plain only if you just type out text, it only switches to multipart/alternative to include an HTML formatted part if you use the text formatting tools.

I'm not sure if I can embedded my own pictures inline in Gmail on Android; I don't see the UI elements to do that.

Shal

I use Thunderbird as my MUA and gmail over IMAP. When I do this, Thunderbird allows me to set defaults and per email send types of plain or HTML. It also allows me to paste images inline.

Best,

Glenn

Frances,

i can reply with a photo from my iPhone. Here’s what it looks like.

Interestingly different from Ken's.

Yours had three parts: a text/plain message body, a text/HTML version of the message body, and an attached image/jpeg. In your case the text/HTML part encoded a reference to the image so that it would show up inline, after your name but before your group sig.

Shal


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Ken,

Pics end up inline with the msg, text anywhere I want to put it. Ergo:

Interesting that it looks inline while you're composing the message.

Your message arrived at Groups.io (and my email inbox) with only two elements: a text/plain message body and the image/jpeg attached photo.

I don't know if there's an option you could have used to change that. Gmail (including on Android) tends to send messages as text/plain only if you just type out text, it only switches to multipart/alternative to include an HTML formatted part if you use the text formatting tools.

I'm not sure if I can embedded my own pictures inline in Gmail on Android; I don't see the UI elements to do that.

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Amelia,

However, when I request an export of all photos, though the request
appears to go through correctly, I never get an email with a link to
download a zipfile of the data, either within about 10 minutes or
several months.

Presumably you've checked your Spam folder. Also in Gmail perhaps your alternate (Social, Promotions, etc.) Inbox tabs. Look for:

From: Groups.io Group Export Service <[email protected]>
Subject: Export of [email protected]

Where, of course, the Subject would name your group's posting address rather than my test group's.

Is there a known issue with the export function with large numbers of
files?

Not that I know of, but Mark has sometimes noted issues with it. Most recently in a BUGFIX here:

Otherwise, is there a way to request explicit help for this kind
of thing?

Yes, [email protected]

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On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 08:04 PM, Glenn Glazer wrote:

It equally irritates me when people assume that the disadvantages they have are ones everyone else has and that the tail of the lowest common denominator should wag the dog.

Amen, brother!!? ? One should presume what most people in most locations have.? ?Internet service through most of the world is, like anything supplied to a huge number of people, a normal distribution.? Assuming that the two tails of a normal distribution, those who have ultra high speed fiber optic internet service and those who have slow dial up, represent something that is within normal limits is inane.

One presumes to the median and one standard deviation to either side if you have any interest in what "most people" are dealing with, 68%, to be precise.? If one extends that to 1.5 standard deviations you're covering about over 90% of the total range of circumstances.

While I feel sorry for those who have to deal with dial-up or dial-up level speeds, they are not what anyone should be using as the target demographic for general practice, and haven't been for a very long time now.? ?If you treat those with the worst internet service as the ones who should be catered to then virtually everything most of the world has been doing with the worldwide web for decades now would not exist.? ?Sorry, but no.

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Maybe for you, but not for everyone.? It irritates me no end when people assume that everyone else has the advantages they do.

Duane

It equally irritates me when people assume that the disadvantages they have are ones everyone else has and that the tail of the lowest common denominator should wag the dog.

Best,

Glenn
Who lives in a rural area with not the best internet, but I make do as I can.

On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 03:55 PM, Chris Jones wrote:

I strongly suspect that its [HTML formatted e-mail] bandwidth demands are rather less than the gross over - quoting that is so prevalent in some groups.

Bing, bing, bing, bing, bing!!? ? We have a winner!!? ? Your assertion is demonstrated repeatedly with one-line replies that have, literally, multiple pages of bottom quoted material that remains untrimmed (and if all of it happens to be HTML formatted, then all of what goes with that is dragged along, too).

If you haven't got the bandwidth to handle HTML e-mail then browsing a couple of web pages of any modern newspaper will be well-nigh impossible.? ?There are things that could accurately be called a strain on those with constrained bandwidth, but HTML e-mail would be thousands of items down from the very top of that list.
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All,

This thread seems to have outlived its usefulness, with little left but personal opinions, preferences, and postures.

There are a couple more sitting in pending which I'll approve following this message, but can we wrap this up, agree to disagree where necessary, and call it good?

I'm not actually locking this topic or declaring it "dead", yet, but if you are tempted to comment further please hesitate a moment and consider whether you're adding some new and useful information about the topic or not.

This isn't the first time this subject has come up, and I'm pretty sure it won't be the last - it has long been a perennial topic in Yahoo Groups and other email lists I've used.

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On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 08:18 PM, Jim Pruitt wrote:

When I checked the group settings I do? not see any restriction on filetype or file size.? What am I missing?

One group of which I am a member has an on - line archive hosted elsewhere; a small number of the files on it are large, say in excess of 25 MB; some are 75 MB. It is commonly reported that some members have problems with downloads failing because something along the route goes wrong during the download and corrupts the document, (Everything is in pdf.) The speed of any download seems to be consistently rather slower than one might expect; much slower than anything revealed in a speed test. Unsurprisingly the hosting company denies the existence of any throttling.

In the case in question download speeds are not the issue, but is it possible that any difficulties might be a function of upload speeds not being all that fast and / or that interruptions are occurring resulting in error messages appearing.

I'm not trying to argue that there isn't a "file type" restriction, merely wondering if something else entirely might be responsible.

Chris

I recently transferred a group (CreekFleet) from Yahoo! to Groups.io. It turns out we have a?lot more images than I thought, and the group is pretty much at capacity.

Since I also run my own server, it is easy enough to set up a separate gallery. However, when I request an export of all photos, though the request appears to go through correctly, I never get an email with a link to download a zipfile of the data, either within about 10 minutes or several months.

Is there a known issue with the export function with large numbers of files? Otherwise, is there a way to request explicit help for this kind of thing?

On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 05:19 PM, Epicatt2 wrote:

I'm sure not everyone will agree with me here, but that's what makes for diversity.

Well I don't for one, not least because on an intellectual level it can be argued that a society that includes boy racers, road ragers, graffiti artists, muggers, internet trolls and so on is "better" because without them that society would be less diverse.

Chris

On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 08:49 PM, Jim Fisher wrote:

I my opinion, HTML in emails wastes bandwidth and achieves little of benefit to
anyone,

I have no idea about the relative bandwidth requirements of HTML v non - HTML, but I would certainly disagree with your assertion that it "achieves little of benefit to anyone".

I strongly suspect that its bandwidth demands are rather less than the gross over - quoting that is so prevalent in some groups.

Chris