Re: Email to owner's address went to group instead
Trista,
According to the simple header displayed
in my email program, the message was definitely sent to the
owner's address and not to the group address.
Any chance of that address being saved incorrectly?
I mean, some email clients will save email addresses
automatically, and usually this cause a lot of troubles.
For example, the person trying to write to the owner's address
could be using something like Your Group's name Owner on the Name
field, but what matters at the end is the Email field, and this
field may well be set to Your Group's address.
Not sure, only a thought :)
Cheers,
AKA Starboy
Sent from a galaxy far, far away.
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Re: New group manager here with a quick Q
Chris,
If anyone is a Group Owner or Moderator it
falls on them to make sure that the group is properly run
(however that is to be defined) and handing over who can join /
is invited or Direct Added to the wider membership would be
completely at odds with that responsibility.
Well, Facebook's groups have an option that will allow members to
invite others to the group but a mod/adm has to aprove the member.
IMHO, this would be a nice featureto have on groups.io. You are
part of a cool group that you think a friend would be interested
on joining, then you just invite them, but they will need to be
aproved before actually being counted in.
Of course this would be an option which could be enabled or not,
just like most features that we already have :)
Cheers,
AKA Starboy
Sent from a galaxy far, far away.
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Re: FAIL: email posting to group
On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 03:55 AM, Lena wrote:
Are you sure that mail goes out from your vps IP-address?
None of IP-addresses in that range has RDNS. That's a big red flag for receivers.
My bad.? It is a / 23.? I attempted to edit the posting after I did the reply. I host no mail server on my vps; I use my ISP's mail server(s).
>? I'm going to do some low level testing via telnet to port 25 in to the groups.io MTA from....
>? ?-? first my vps (in the 45.13.66.0/23?CIDR)
>? ?-? second from my workstation (on Comcast's 71.205.0.0/16 CIDR)
>? ... and report back.? Real Soon Now.
...... later this morning. As identified earlier in this thread, my ISP's outbound MTA's are):
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.? Server name: outbound00.knthost.com
.? Server IP: 45.13.64.13
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.? Server name: outbound01.knthost.com
.? Server IP: 45.13.64.14
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jonesy@nix5:~$ dig -x 45.13.64.13 +noall +answer
; <<>> DiG 9.10.3-P4-Ubuntu <<>> -x 45.13.64.13 +noall +answer
;; global options: +cmd
13.64.13.45.in-addr.arpa. 21463 IN? ? ? PTR? ? ?outbound00.knthost.com.
jonesy@nix5:~$ dig -x 45.13.64.14 +noall +answer
; <<>> DiG 9.10.3-P4-Ubuntu <<>> -x 45.13.64.14 +noall +answer
;; global options: +cmd
14.64.13.45.in-addr.arpa. 21599 IN? ? ? PTR? ? ?outbound01.knthost.com.
jonesy@nix5:~$
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Jonesy
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An interesting concept¡ BUT¡ my problem IS in Emailed Photos¡ and it IS set to ¡°sort by posted¡±, and I don¡¯t get the correct photo when clicking on a thumbnail. Win ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Chris Jones via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, 9 August 2019 6:57 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] re deleting photos ? On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 05:44 AM, Don Grass wrote: I¡¯ve been noticing that situation too, where the picture I clicked on in an album was not the one that opened, but a picture before or after the one I clicked on.
I feel that this takes us right back to the original query; does this problem manifest irrespective of the location of the photos in question, i.e. are they in Albums or Emailed Photos or both?
I have done some not wholly exhaustive tests this morning and while I am not going to claim that it is not a "cache" issue I would argue that that is not the whole story.
I have found that photos in Albums and those in Emailed Photos seem to behave differently, and that it is a function of the Display / Sort Order chosen by the individual user, and I think that it all goes back to when Mark changed the default order to Sort By Posted¡Í. For those of use that had set up our Photo Albums to work alphanumerically this made it necessary to change the Album setting to Sort by Title¡Í and the album contents to Sort by Name¡Í.?This made "albums" work again, but because these settings are Account Wide (and thus Group Wide) it meant that within Emailed Photos the sort order became by Name, not Posting Date.?
At this point the two different "types" of photo differ in thier behaviour; in "proper" photo albums clicking on a thumbnail seems to bring up the correct photo irrespective of the chosen sort order, but that is not true for Emailed Photos; clicking on a thumbnail in Emailed Photos only brings up the correct photo if the Sort Order is Sort by Posted¡Í,.but as mentioned above if Sort by Name is selected for other Albums then the same setting will be forced on Emailed Photos.
IMHO it would be far better if Sort by Title / Name was an option only for Albums, leaving Emailed Photos as Sort by Posted.
I hope the above makes sense... :)
Chris
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Re: New group manager here with a quick Q
On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 01:26 AM, Lucien Lewis wrote:
I just set up a group and I want any member to be able to add any other member.?
Is there a setting for that?
About 3 years ago there was a suggestion made, and added to the TODO list, to allow an option for anyone on a group to send invitations: That list doesn't get updated very often and there are several items shown that have been implemented, but this isn't one of them (yet.)? If you read through the lists, you'll see there are many things under consideration, so Mark has to prioritize. I wouldn't want a member to be able to Direct Add though. Duane -- Help: /static/helpGMF's Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiSearch button at the top of Messages list A few site FAQs: /static/pricing#frequently-asked-questions
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New subscribers bypassing the Pending subscription notice
Hi, I run the OSPOTA (Ohio State Parks On The Air) group. I have it set up so that a join request triggers a Pending Subscription notice to them so they can give us more information about themselves. Once they reply favorably to that, we approve them.? We've had a few that according to the activity log are not getting the notices. Once I get a notice that there's a pending subscription,? I send the notice manually.? I've looked through the settings, and all seems proper. Is there something I need to change in the setup to get things working properly? Thanks in advance, John Myers /g/OSPOTA
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Email to owner's address went to group instead
This happened this morning. According to the simple header displayed in my email program, the message was definitely sent to the owner's address and not to the group address. We use the owner's address all the time and it has never happened before. Is this a new glitch?
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Re: New group manager here with a quick Q
Maybe you could tell your members to email the subscribe address to prospective members and copy you in, so you knew to approve them (if that's how you're doing it).
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On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 05:44 AM, Don Grass wrote:
I¡¯ve been noticing that situation too, where the picture I clicked on in an album was not the one that opened, but a picture before or after the one I clicked on.
I feel that this takes us right back to the original query; does this problem manifest irrespective of the location of the photos in question, i.e. are they in Albums or Emailed Photos or both? I have done some not wholly exhaustive tests this morning and while I am not going to claim that it is not a "cache" issue I would argue that that is not the whole story. I have found that photos in Albums and those in Emailed Photos seem to behave differently, and that it is a function of the Display / Sort Order chosen by the individual user, and I think that it all goes back to when Mark changed the default order to Sort By Posted¡Ä. For those of use that had set up our Photo Albums to work alphanumerically this made it necessary to change the Album setting to Sort by Title¡Ä and the album contents to Sort by Name¡Ä.?This made "albums" work again, but because these settings are Account Wide (and thus Group Wide) it meant that within Emailed Photos the sort order became by Name, not Posting Date.? At this point the two different "types" of photo differ in thier behaviour; in "proper" photo albums clicking on a thumbnail seems to bring up the correct photo irrespective of the chosen sort order, but that is not true for Emailed Photos; clicking on a thumbnail in Emailed Photos only brings up the correct photo if the Sort Order is Sort by Posted¡Ä,.but as mentioned above if Sort by Name is selected for other Albums then the same setting will be forced on Emailed Photos. IMHO it would be far better if Sort by Title / Name was an option only for Albums, leaving Emailed Photos as Sort by Posted. I hope the above makes sense... :) Chris
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Re: FAIL: email posting to group
On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 03:28 AM, Jonesy W3DHJ wrote:
I'm going to do some low level testing via telnet to port 25 in to the
groups.io MTA from....
-? first my vps (in the?45.13.66.0/24 CIDR)
Are you sure that mail goes out from your vps IP-address? None of IP-addresses in that range has RDNS. That's a big red flag for receivers.
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Re: New group manager here with a quick Q
On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 07:26 AM, Lucien Lewis wrote:
Is there a setting for that??
No there isn't. Assuming that you have a Premium / Enterprise group Direct Add (not available on Basic groups) is an Owner / Moderator function, as indeed it should be, IMHO. If anyone is a Group Owner or Moderator it falls on them to make sure that the group is properly run (however that is to be defined) and handing over who can join / is invited or Direct Added to the wider membership would be completely at odds with that responsibility. Chris
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New group manager here with a quick Q
Hi all.? I just set up a group and I want any member to be able to add any other member.? Is there a setting for that?? I just spent 15 minutes looking and searching the forum and can't find an answer.? Thanks in advance!? Lu
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Thanks Shal, good to have my thought confirmed. Win ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Shal Farley
Sent: Friday, 9 August 2019 11:06 AM
To: GMF <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [GMF] re deleting photos ? ? The main query in my email was about the ¡°edited on¡¡± notice at the bottom of the emails.
Yes, that is a result of removing their attachments. If it were done through the Messages page it would result in a notice being sent to the posting member showing the edit. Being done through the Emailed Photos album no notice is sent, last time I heard.
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Don, I¡¯ve sent it to Mark, if there is a solution, I¡¯ll post it when I hear back. Win ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Don Grass
Sent: Friday, 9 August 2019 2:10 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] re deleting photos? I¡¯ve been noticing that situation too, where the picture I clicked on in an album was not the one that opened, but a picture before or after the one I clicked on. ? Don
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I¡¯ve been noticing that situation too, where the picture I clicked on in an album was not the one that opened, but a picture before or after the one I clicked on. ? Don
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Re: Approve and unmoderate senders not working
I have chosen "Approve and unmoderate sender" multiple times for posts send by me to one of my lists, and yet messages from me are still held as pending until I approve them. This might only work to unmoderate a "New Users Moderated" member prior to their "Automatically unmoderate new users after N consecutive approved posts." setting...
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Re: FAIL: email posting to group
On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 06:02 PM, Shal Farley wrote:
Possibly Groups.io's? inbound servers are blocking your new VSP's servers. That would be a result of past abuse. Only Mark could help you with that. If it is Linode I'm sure he'd be able to find that out from them.
No past abuse.? My ISP/web host/VPS host picked up a never-assigned /23. Having knocked down all the possibilities brought up so far, my guess is that there is an obscure blocking 'somewhere' of the 'dark' (un-assigned) CIDR that has yet to be cleared since the /23 was assigned to my ISP. Jonesy --?
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The main query in my email was about the ¡°edited on¡¡± notice at the bottom of the emails.
Yes, that is a result of removing their attachments. If it were done through the Messages page it would result in a notice being sent to the posting member showing the edit. Being done through the Emailed Photos album no notice is sent, last time I heard.
Shal
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Re: FAIL: email posting to group
Mark may be my best bet -- if he has Network Admin responsibilities.
He wrote Groups.io from the ground up. So yes as far as Groups.io goes.
Nope.? My ISP has checked and re-checked.? Anyway, as I stated originally, I receive?ALL?
messages to my group (and, now, this group) via email.
That's irrelevant to this conversation. Messages from Groups.io are delivered by its outbound email server at 66.175.222.12.
>? I can access their [] mail server from the firewalls which are on a different network.
>? I cannot access it from at all. Even with the firewalls turned off.
>? It's something on their end, or in between, or perhaps at the Linode network level.
Possibly Groups.io's?
inbound servers
are blocking your new VSP's servers. That would be a result of past abuse. Only Mark could help you with that. If it is Linode I'm sure he'd be able to find that out from them.
Shal
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Bruce, the problem which was irking me is that when I select a photo to delete, that particular photo doesn¡¯t open up, it is the next one? or the one after which opens and I have to use the white ¡°back arrow¡± at the side to get to the one I want. Your reply addresses the part of my original queries about the blank grey square after deletion, thanks for that. The main query in my email was about the ¡°edited on¡¡± notice at the bottom of the emails. Thanks Win ? ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Bruce Bowman
Sent: Friday, 9 August 2019 10:27 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] re deleting photos ? On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 11:36 AM, WBennett wrote: Back at the end of May we had a discussion about my problem when deleting photos, that the one I clicked to select didn¡¯t open up, but the next one or even further along opened instead. I hoped at the time it was a temporary glitch but I just tried again and it is exactly the same, so I have sent it on to Mark.
It's not a temporary glitch.
Your browser is caching the thumbnail page, and is therefore displaying a [nonexistent] thumbnail of the image you just deleted.?Try refreshing that page (ctrl-F5) before selecting the next image to delete.
Groups.io can force that page to load from server every time -- which should fix your problem -- but that also means that it will take a performance hit for everyone who is NOT attempting to delete any photos. Which approach is the lesser of two evils is difficult to say.
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Regards,
Bruce
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Duane
John Myers, WG8X
Lena
Don Grass
Michael Pavan
Shal Farley