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Re: Problem with the way Groups.io sends group messages

 

Chris,

So my question is: why make the web site secure so members cannot see
one's email address and then make it very public in any emails you
receive?
Because your email inbox is not "public". Or, at least isn't supposed to be.

The web pages are another matter. Some, like GMF's are explicitly public. Others are quasi-public - members only, but with open membership. Even the members only pages of a restricted group are subject to harvesting if a crook fools a moderator into approving them.

Shal


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Re: Inviting Members

 

Michael,

Yes, that¡¯s what we do - it¡¯s just more cumbersome than a more
thoughtful, better featured Invite process should be.
From my point of view Invite works exactly as it should. I don't want people that I invite to end up in the Pending list - I've already vetted them and I want them to be members.

So you want something else. You want to invite someone to request membership. As opposed to inviting them to be a member directly.

One possibility would be to have it be an option on the Invite page - Invite to request membership as opposed to Invite to join. My concern is that if we break the traditional semantics of Invite in this way it may lead to a lot of confusion.

I wish I could think of a better name for the function you want. Offer. Solicit. Request. Ask. "We ask that you request membership" - that's not too bad. Encourage. Propose. Suggest. Urge. Lure.

Actually, it kind of goes with the Promote function, maybe that's it.

Instead of promotion by display on a web site, you're looking to send messages promoting your group. Replying to the promotion would make the addressee a Pending member, and send them the Pending SUbscription notice.

Shal


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pending membership

 

Shal,

So far my Pending Subscription Notices seem to have been posted correctly because the containing questionnaires were returned to me.

According to what you say it means: if I want to know about the notice being delivered I must look it up in a timely manner.
And thanks for your answer.

Victoria


Re: Problem with the way Groups.io sends group messages

 

Chris,

People sign up to talk to others of similar interested.
BUT they do not sign up to have everyone know their email address.
Yes, they do.

Having one's email address in the From field when you send an email is entirely normal. And is a long tradition in email lists as well - which basically just forward email from posters to subscribers.

For me to set up more groups larger than a handful of people this MUST
be changed to send emails from only a groups.io email address
That's your call, of course.

There was an extensive discussion some years ago in beta about "anonymous" groups - groups that would do what you want and never include the posting member's email address in outbound messages (not even in obscure header fields). In essence, the site would copy the message body only, creating the outbound messages as entirely new emails from the group's address.

There were many difficulties with the idea, not the least of which was having some other unique identifier for each member. The User Name field in one's account profile is likely what would have ended up being used. But it would mean that every member would have to log into the site at least once to set their User Name.

If you care to read about it, "anonymous" would probably be the apt search term in beta.

Shal


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Re: AOL e-mail and the Oath pledge and SPAM unsubscription

 

On 19 Jun 2018 at 16:02, Shal Farley wrote:

Jim Fisher wrote:

If Oath think that would enable them to ignore the requirements of GDPR
they
are sadly mistaken. I have no doubt that any EU court would dismiss such a
pledge as legally null and void.
The GDPR is such a deep rabbit-hole I'd rather not go down it on behalf of
every third-party company we use.

Oath is only relevant here because some of us and our group members may be
using Oath-brand email services (Yahoo Mail, AOL). Whatever follies may
ensue from Oath's (lack of) understanding of the GDPR, hopefully the
fallout for our groups would be limited to members wishing to change
addresses.

Shal
Thank you for that so courteous and gentle admonishment for going off topic.

Jim

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Re: Profile Photo, and Display vs User Name?

 

Michael,

This User Name thing, with the @ sign - is this a Twitter address or
what?
Or what.

It is a site-wide unique name for the user. If the user sets one. At one time it was to be a shorthand for a link to the user's Account profile. But that never come to pass. It was also discussed as an alternative to putting the user's email address in the From field of "anonymous" groups. But that too was never implemented.

How is it used and by whom? Where and how will I get any messages from
someone using it?
It isn't and you won't. For now.

Shal


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[Groups.io status] Monitoring : Site Outage

 

Well,

That was certainly unexpected. And a bit alarming if you didn't know where to look.

For all the new members to GMF - you want to know about the status page, and the fact that you can subscribe to it to get alert emails when there is a site problem.

Groups.io Status:

Shal


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Subject: [Groups.io status] Monitoring : Site Outage
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2018 06:25:10 +0000
From: noreply@...
To: shals2nd@...

Site Outage : Monitoring


Machines are starting to come back on-line now. We will bring up the groups.io service when our cluster is completely back up and stable.



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Re: pending membership

 

Victoria,

There is no notification in the members Email Delivery history about
the Pending Subscription notice as far as I could see
Those two places only hold the one most recent. Was there anything listed there that would have been newer than the Pending Subscription notice? That may have knocked it aside.

Otherwise, check your list of member notices to be sure that you have marked a Pending Subscription notice as "Active". Otherwise it won't be sent.

Shal


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Re: #issue No mails delivered to any of the group except owner #issue

 

Daniel,

All my different E-Mail Accounts still had my full name as name of
sender. Apparently, groups.io isn't differentiating between e-mail
addresses but between names.
No, that's not right. Whether inbound (posting) or outbound (receiving) the actual email address is all that matters - the display name portion of the address is just for display purposes - it isn't used by software.

And since my name was always the same, I always got 2 mails to my main
address, no matter which one sent the mail.
If you're talking about messages sent to the group's posting address, it wouldn't matter which address sent the message, as long as it is subscribed to the group (or is an alias for an address that is, or if the group allows non-subscriber posts). And all else being equal, each of your subscribed addresses would receive a copy of the message. That's basic list operation.

One thing you can do to help clarify this is look at the footer of the two copies. At the end of the footer is the subscribed email address. That will likely tell the story.

Shal


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Re: Problem with the way Groups.io sends group messages

Chris V
 

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Yes this is an email service, but it does not have too make one's email address so public. This is at odds with the web site view.

To view the directory for this group GMF I have to make my profile viewable by the rest of the members.

Having done that I can now list other members. I can email them via a form (cannot see their email addresses)

I can view their profile (cannot see their email address)

When I list what posts they have sent then I can see their posterid (e.g. posterid:967063) So it seems everyone has a unique id

So my question is: why make the web site secure so members cannot see one's email address and then make it very public in any emails you receive?

Chris


On 20/06/2018 20:52, Bill Burns wrote:

I can confirm that Google Groups also has the sender's email address in the From header.

These are all *email* services - what does the OP expect them to do?

Perhaps he should start a Facebook group, or use forum software.


screen shot won't post via group site?

 

so i do a post to my group which is a screen shot of "spanglish for gringos".? will not post via the group site. it never even shows up for moderating. i do it through email....bang.? right there. what's up with that? is it maybe because no text? i just attach the screen shot.


Invite

Janet Panecki
 

I wish to invite a former member of the Composition doll group on yahoo to this one on IO.? How do I do this?

Thank you,
?Janet Panecki


Question about chat history

 

Does anyone know how long the content in the chat room is preserved?? Is it forever and ever like the rest of Groups.io?

Is there a way to delete a chat?

Are there private chat rooms or can anyone in the group join a chat at any time?

Thank you any information about chat.? I saw nothing on the Help page or by searching "chat history" or "chat content."

Carol B.


Re: Is there a full email history?

Jim Higgins
 

Under the ADMIN tab, select ACTIVITY and enter identifying info for the user and you should see info going back to "day one," with day one being the day the group was created or the day it was transfered from elsewhere.

Jim H



Received from Dan Hartford at 6/20/2018 09:28 PM UTC:

Hi,

As a moderator, If I look at a member through the members list and select the "Email Delivery History" tab, is there a way to see more than just the most recent good and bad deliveries? Maybe going back a period of time or a number of entries in each category.

Thanks -- Dan


Re: Png file

 

On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 03:06 pm, Annick Phillips wrote:
One of my group members sends messages to our group and each of her messages has two .png files attached to it. Those files, which are small in size, show up in our "emailed photos" album as a light blue solid square.
If it's what I think it is, it's a reply separator that Windows 10 Mail decided would be preferable instead of a simple <HR> tag. Original posts won't have it, but if the [offending] user replies to any other post, it will. Worse, if anyone subsequently replies to that message without purging the embedded image, the disease will continue to spread.?

My experience is that the file is 148 bytes in size.?It is very annoying, and I've pretty much given up on deleting them manually. My personal preference is that we establish some related group settings to strip embedded graphics entirely. As Duane stated, a remedy of some kind is on the "to do" list.??

Regards,
Bruce?
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Re: Specific Messages from this group not included in Digests? And delays between Send and seeing the post.

Arno Martens
 

On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 10:59 pm, Shal Farley wrote:

They show in my digests from the 13th and 14th.

I got them in the digests too.
Arno


Re: Is there a full email history?

 

On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 02:58 pm, Dan Hartford wrote:
As a moderator, If I look at a member through the members list and select the "Email Delivery History" tab, is there a way to see more than just the most recent good and bad deliveries?
I can't speak to how far back the delivery history goes. I will say that the tab you're talking about is supposed to deal with exactly what it says -- bouncing emails, and issues associated with message delivery, not group moderation.

Instead, find any subscriber's post and click on the More menu. At that point you can view "all posts by this member" and perhaps obtain information that will be more useful for purposes of group moderation.

Hope this helps,
Bruce
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Re: Png file

 

On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 03:06 pm, Annick Phillips wrote:
She sends her messages from Windows 10 Mail

?That's one of the 'features' of that program.? Fixing it is on the TODO list,

Duane
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Re: Is there a full email history?

 

No.? Since each member can turn delivery off and on at will, there would be no good way to keep up with it.

Duane
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Re: Inviting Members

 

It sounds to me like you should use a database.? You could either enter each person's information or have them add their own.? If you add it, you could even hide the entire DB from other members.

Based on your description, I wouldn't send an invitation unless I already had the information needed.? Then it would work fine as is.

Duane
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