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Re: Problem with the way Groups.io sends group messages

 

Shal,
? I agree - sort of - with Peter R. on this one.? The real difference between what
users were getting from ("used to") yahoo groups and groups.io is related to the
difference between Individual Messages and Digests.
? My email sorting filters for Digests?work just fine - but in order for me to sort
my email from groups that I have set to Individual they don't ... unless I put a
filter in that is more specific/selective than the one I used before I changed
from Individual to Digest ... because -my- email client doesn't recognize
them with respect to my existing sorting filters.

? I use Tbird for my email client. It does allow wildcards.? The yahoo groups that
I run on Digest did not require changes to my filters ... as long as the group?
name was essentially the same.? *G*
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?- Jim B.?
Specific Messages from this group not included in Digests? And delays between Send and seeing the post.

 

Hi,
? I have posted two (2) messages to the topic about GoDaddy
and neither one has shown up in any digest.? Anybody have an
idea why that might have happened??
? They were not posted on the same day.? They are in the
message archive and show up both by looking for Topics
or looking for Messages.
? The thread can be found using #9237 ...
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?- Jim B.

P.S. I have noticed considerable delay in my postings to GMF.? Am I
? ? ? ?still moderated for some reason I don't understand?? Unlike all my
? ? ? ?other group memberships it often takes several hours (or more) in
? ? ? ?order for my posts to show up?
Re: Why does Log In change the site?

 

On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 08:05 am, Victoria wrote:
They say each time the go on the site of the group, log in, the site changes and they must select it again.
I agree it would be nice if login was implemented as a popup that subsequently refreshes the page you're already on. That would be a good suggestion for the beta group (https://beta.groups.io/g/main/topics).

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Re: Why does Log In change the site?

 

Victoria,

Shal, I?ve seen you are online. I have a question:

?Dang, busted. ;-)
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?Same I am told by members who are subscribed only to one group. They say each time the go on the site of the group, log in, the site changes and they must select it again. Why the detour? ?

?I don't know.? It seems reasonable to me that the site should return you to the page you were on when you complete a log in.

There was a in beta not that long ago. The discussion in beta is a little different though, I think they were assuming that the member was at the site home page before logging in. I don't really care about that case.
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I think the "Email me a link to log in" mechanism returns you to the page where you were, as Bob said in that discussion. It seems to on my smart phone anyway. Seems to me the other log in mechanisms ought to as well.
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Shal
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Re: Files moved but are empty

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Thanks.
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Now I see the Notices are? made from a tab in the settings page.
I will?do that in a bit.?
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I will also be using the calendar! Glad to know that works well because the Ygroups calendar didn't.
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Ilene
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From: Victoria
Date: 06/19/18 09:48:29
Subject: Re: [GMF] Files moved but are empty
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Ilene,

Shal wrote: Here you do that either with Member Notices (a tab in your group's Settings page) for notices to be sent on various events such a joining or leaving a group, or with calendar Events if you just want to send the notice periodically.

I had the same issue when I first got my group started because we also have periodical notices that are important to be sent. I made very good experience with the calender function. There I put in all the notices that I want to be sent out regularly, and it works very well.

Victoria

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Re: Files moved but are empty

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Thanks!
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I will see if I can do the Welcome Member notices,?Pending Member notices, etc
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Now I need to find where they go.
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I will work on that later on today!
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Ilene?
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Date: 06/19/18 09:43:14
To: GMF
Subject: Re: [GMF] Files moved but are empty
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Ilene,

But many files are useless unless a member leaves the group, wants to know the rules again and the application for membership which they won't get automatically and is virtually useless once they become a member.

?Our messages "crossed in the mail". For these purposes see my note about Member Notices, and our wiki page.? Wiki pages are not appropriate for notices to be sent to members.

So the files that in Y Groups that were scheduled to be sent upon joining the group,
Bi-weekly, Monthly etc cannot be scheduled to be sent in IO Groups.
?
?Correct. Here those features are handled differently.?

When a member joins my 2nd IO group, I have to send them the directions they need to follow directly to their personal email address as they won't get them upon joining.

?Copy that file content into a ?Welcome member notice.

When someone leaves the group, the Sorry to see you leave file can't be auto sent to them.

?Copy that file content into a ?Goodbye member notice.

When someone joins the group, the Application isn't sent to them. It all has to be done manually.?

?Copy that file content into a Pending Subscription member notice.

?
For notices, the calendar needs to be used.

?For the special case of group guidelines sent on join and/or monthly, see the Guidelines member notice.?

?Shal?


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Re: Files moved but are empty

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Thanks I will look into Wiki pages.
I am unfamiliar with them but will give that a try.
Thanks! Ilene?
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Date: 06/19/18 09:30:07
To: GMF
Subject: Re: [GMF] Files moved but are empty
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Ilene,

?If these are files that are intended to be readable online, like regular web pages, you might be happier copying their content into Wiki pages.

Pro:
  • You, your members, and even the public can read them (set by the permission for your wiki).
  • You (and your members, if you permit) ?can edit them online
  • When you edit them a revision history is kept so you can monitor changes.
  • They don't count against your group's storage limit

?Con:
  • ?There is no built-in folder heirarchy
  • There is no sortable list of the pages.


Now when I do that, I still can't read the file when I click on edit.

?No, you cannot. The Edit function in Groups.io's Files does not include the file content. You view the content by opening the file (if your browser supports that file type) or downloading it.
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I even tried creating a new file and there isn't any place to write the content of the file.

?Correct. That functionality has been discussed in the "suggestion box" group, , but not implemented. Instead you must create the file on your computer and upload it.
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Also in Y groups you can select when you want the members to receive a file.
How do you do that in groups IO

?Groups.io does not have a scheduling option for files. Here you do that either with Member Notices (a tab in your group's Settings page) for notices to be sent on various events such a joining or leaving a group, or with calendar Events if you just want to send the notice periodically.
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Member-Notices
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Shal


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Why does Log In change the site?

 

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Shal, I?ve seen you are online. I have a question:

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when I open the site of one of my groups and I want to log in, why does that site disappear and the selection of the groups I am subscribed to appears instead although I already was on the site of the group I want to log into?

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Same I am told by members who are subscribed only to one group. They say each time the go on the site of the group, log in, the site changes and they must select it again. Why the detour? ?

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Victoria

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Re: Files moved but are empty

 

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Ilene,

Shal wrote: Here you do that either with Member Notices (a tab in your group's Settings page) for notices to be sent on various events such a joining or leaving a group, or with calendar Events if you just want to send the notice periodically.

I had the same issue when I first got my group started because we also have periodical notices that are important to be sent. I made very good experience with the calender function. There I put in all the notices that I want to be sent out regularly, and it works very well.

Victoria
Re: Files moved but are empty

 

Ilene,

But many files are useless unless a member leaves the group, wants to know the rules again and the application for membership which they won't get automatically and is virtually useless once they become a member.

?Our messages "crossed in the mail". For these purposes see my note about Member Notices, and our wiki page.? Wiki pages are not appropriate for notices to be sent to members.

So the files that in Y Groups that were scheduled to be sent upon joining the group,
Bi-weekly, Monthly etc cannot be scheduled to be sent in IO Groups.
?
?Correct. Here those features are handled differently.?

When a member joins my 2nd IO group, I have to send them the directions they need to follow directly to their personal email address as they won't get them upon joining.

?Copy that file content into a ?Welcome member notice.

When someone leaves the group, the Sorry to see you leave file can't be auto sent to them.

?Copy that file content into a ?Goodbye member notice.

When someone joins the group, the Application isn't sent to them. It all has to be done manually.?

?Copy that file content into a Pending Subscription member notice.

?
For notices, the calendar needs to be used.

?For the special case of group guidelines sent on join and/or monthly, see the Guidelines member notice.?

?Shal?


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Re: Files moved but are empty

 

Ilene,

?If these are files that are intended to be readable online, like regular web pages, you might be happier copying their content into Wiki pages.

Pro:
  • You, your members, and even the public can read them (set by the permission for your wiki).
  • You (and your members, if you permit) ?can edit them online
  • When you edit them a revision history is kept so you can monitor changes.
  • They don't count against your group's storage limit

?Con:
  • ?There is no built-in folder heirarchy
  • There is no sortable list of the pages.


Now when I do that, I still can't read the file when I click on edit.

?No, you cannot. The Edit function in Groups.io's Files does not include the file content. You view the content by opening the file (if your browser supports that file type) or downloading it.
?
I even tried creating a new file and there isn't any place to write the content of the file.

?Correct. That functionality has been discussed in the "suggestion box" group, , but not implemented. Instead you must create the file on your computer and upload it.
?
Also in Y groups you can select when you want the members to receive a file.
How do you do that in groups IO

?Groups.io does not have a scheduling option for files. Here you do that either with Member Notices (a tab in your group's Settings page) for notices to be sent on various events such a joining or leaving a group, or with calendar Events if you just want to send the notice periodically.
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Member-Notices
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Shal


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Re: Files moved but are empty

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Okay, I just searched the forum and found out really the files?in?IO are useless.
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Members would have to go to the files section to read them. But many files are useless unless a member leaves the group, wants to know the rules again and the application for membership which they won't get automatically and is virtually useless once they become a member.
?
So the files that in Y Groups that were scheduled to be sent upon joining the group,
Bi-weekly, Monthly etc cannot be scheduled to be sent in IO Groups. When a member joins my 2nd IO group, I have to send them the directions they need to follow directly to their personal email address as they won't get them upon joining.
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When someone leaves the group, the Sorry to see you leave file can't be auto sent to them. When someone joins the group, the Application isn't sent to them. It all has to be done manually.?
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For notices, the calendar needs to be used.
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Ilene
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From: Duane
Date: 6/19/2018 8:31:29 AM
Subject: Re: [GMF] Files moved but are empty
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You can't edit files online.? You have to download each file, make any edits, and upload.? If you don't change the filename, you'll need to delete the originals before uploading since duplicates aren't allowed.? Ot you can put the updated files in another folder.

Duane
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Re: Files moved but are empty

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Okay.
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So I saved the file to my external hard drive and opened it up on notepad.
Then I make my edits on notepad and then click on the upload button.
Then I click on browse and find the document.
Click on Add
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Now when I do that, I still can't read the file when I click on edit.
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I even tried creating a new file and there isn't any place to write the content of the file.
It doesn't show up in the file - I have to save it first to my external in order to read it.
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Also in Y groups you can select when you want the members to receive a file.
How do you do that in groups IO
When do the members get to see the files?
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I am really lost
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Ilene
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From: Duane
Date: 6/19/2018 8:31:29 AM
Subject: Re: [GMF] Files moved but are empty
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You can't edit files online.? You have to download each file, make any edits, and upload.? If you don't change the filename, you'll need to delete the originals before uploading since duplicates aren't allowed.? Ot you can put the updated files in another folder.

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Re: Files moved but are empty

 

You can't edit files online.? You have to download each file, make any edits, and upload.? If you don't change the filename, you'll need to delete the originals before uploading since duplicates aren't allowed.? Ot you can put the updated files in another folder.

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Re: Files moved but are empty

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What I found out is when I?click on the link of the files name and then save to my external hard drive, the content of the file is there. Then I can?open up the file and read it from notepad.
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But when I click on Edit, it doesn't show the file content.??
So how can I edit the files to get rid of the Ygroups links and put in group IO's links.
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When I click edit all I see is the name of the file and description but nothing is there.
I checked my other group that became an IO group and the files are the same.
Ilene
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This is what I see when I click edit
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Date: 6/19/2018 2:04:47 AM
Subject: Re: [GMF] Files moved but are empty
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Ilene,
?
? > At first it appeared that the files moved fine.
? > They did but they were all empty.
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That's unfortunate. Something must have gone wrong when the transfer
agent attempted to collect the file content.
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You may be able to re-try the transfer later (leaving just the File
section checked in the list of areas to transfer). Hopefully Yahoo's
servers will be working better then.
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? > There is no place to add the message that the file contains.
? > In groups IO - does the file message go directly in the description
? > area?
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No, the content should be in the file. The description text is only for
a description of the file content.
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Shal
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Re: Problem with the way Groups.io sends group messages

Yvette Money
 

Just a thought - does this person have his delivery set to "individual messages" or to one of the digests?? I have mine set to "Daily summary" and it never has an individual's email address in it.? It always comes in like this:?[email protected]? with the group's name at the beginning. Very easy to whitelist one address.? If he isn't sure he can look online at the group and go to Subscription to see what he has his preference set at.? Any of the digests will come from one address only thus making it easier for him to whitelist.
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Re: Files moved but are empty

 

Ilene,

At first it appeared that the files moved fine.
They did but they were all empty.
That's unfortunate. Something must have gone wrong when the transfer agent attempted to collect the file content.

You may be able to re-try the transfer later (leaving just the File section checked in the list of areas to transfer). Hopefully Yahoo's servers will be working better then.

There is no place to add the message that the file contains.
In groups IO - does the file message go directly in the description
area?
No, the content should be in the file. The description text is only for a description of the file content.

Shal


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Re: AOL e-mail and the Oath pledge and SPAM unsubscription

 

Oh that's a dandy -

"JURY TRIAL WAIVER. IF FOR ANY REASON A DISPUTE PROCEEDS IN COURT RATHER THAN THROUGH ARBITRATION, YOU AND OATH AGREE THAT THERE WILL NOT BE A JURY TRIAL. YOU AND OATH UNCONDITIONALLY WAIVE ANY RIGHT TO TRIAL BY JURY IN ANY ACTION, PROCEEDING OR COUNTERCLAIM IN ANY WAY ARISING OUT OF OR RELATING TO THESE TERMS. IN THE EVENT OF LITIGATION, THIS PARAGRAPH MAY BE FILED TO SHOW A WRITTEN CONSENT TO A TRIAL BY THE COURT."

Big capital letters in bold.

I have my doubts that clause can stand in the face of US law.?

I just signed into my AOL account and it did nag me about the new TOS. I clicked "I'll do this later" and it let me in. If it ever won't bypass that I will not use that account, just let it remain on their books. Maybe I'll give the address out to a bunch of spammers to keep them busy.

At any rate, my advice is to just get a gmail account. They don't try to give you the news, they redirect you to basic HTML if you have an old browser, which is absolutely fine with me. If I want more features I will seek them out. Their privacy agreement is more like a not privacy agreement. If they all start this, I will see if someone with a server who can handle an email account will let me use it. OK they might charge me but i beats this, even if he wants such an agreement. I do not like Yahoo, and I quit AOL but still have the email because they kept on removing features I used. They used to have hosting, it went away. They used to have Usenet access, it went away. What's more I had their broadband which was $ 55 a month. I got two words for them, the first one starts with "F" and the second one is "themselves".

I wonder what hotrmail is like...
Re: Problem with the way Groups.io sends group messages

 

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Hi, Shal, Jim, Toby and Glenn,

Thank you to all of you for your replies!? What a great group here.?

I've forwarded your information and suggestions to the person who asked.
I hope it helps him.?

I receive the group emails just fine and I don't know of anyone else in our
group with the same issues.

Peter Rupprecht

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On 6/18/2018 6:12 PM, Shal Farley wrote:

Peter,

So, does Groups.io allow a group to adjust its email delivery settings
so that posts to the group from individual members will still always
show the sender as <[email protected]>, instead of the personal
address of the sender?

?To be clear, the Sender field does always say (the Sender field is not normally displayed in an email user interface, but you can see it in the View Original, View Source, or View Full Headers function (whatever your interface calls it). And if your member's filter will allow him to use that field instead of the From field that would be the easiest fix.

I believe you mean the From field. An has been discussed, but I don't believe it has been implemented.

Shal
Re: Problem with the way Groups.io sends group messages

Jim Higgins
 

Received from Peter Rupprecht at 6/18/2018 07:33 PM UTC:

Hello, Shal and anyone who knows,

We just transferred in a large group and one of our members has indicated
a concern with receiving group posts. As he put it:

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(Begin quote)

There is a significant difference in how the new host sends out group messages.
Namely, the new host sends them " From: " each individual SBL member rather than
" From: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]."
By consequence, the messages get blocked by the spam filter.
Whitelisting <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] does not help because the messages are not sent
by <mailto:[email protected]>SBL<mailto:[email protected]>@Groups.io. They are sent " From: " 1,500 individual accounts.

Before the changeover, the mails were From: <group <mailto:name@...>name@...>
Now, the mails are From: Individual name <mailto:persons-email@...><persons-email@...>, or whomever.
Anyone with a rigorous filter ¡ª which some of us need ¡ª is not t currently receiving any messages.

(End quote)

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I'm not sure how to help. No one else has yet indicated a problem with this.

Thank you,

Peter

Your subscriber's approach to filtering spam is overly aggressive and has likely been causing him issues here and there for quite some time. I suggest he contact the ISP that offers this filter, or if it's something he purchased separately, contact customer support.

But in an effort to be more helpful than judgmental...

On the white listing side of things... there are headers that consistently contain "groups.io" or "[email protected]." He needs to white list mail containing "groups.io" in one of those headers. The "Sender:" header containing [email protected]" seems like a good candidate.

Or on the rejection side of things can he include a second criterion in each rule that blocks messages from groups.io saying something like "Any Header doesn't contain groups.io"

There's one more solution... he can get a new email address that's used for NOTHING but groups.io (and maybe other mailing list) subscriptions. Presumably that email address won't have been propagated to every spammer in the universe and will be essentially spam-free.

I have some email addresses that are 25 years old that get no spam because I use them only with friends and the rest of the world (where the spammers live) has never seen them. ;-)

Good luck to him.

Jim H
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