Paul,

So... Is there a setting on Groups.io which disables the quote
function/icon when a member makes a reply to another member's
topic/post?

As Duane and Bruce mentioned, this is usually an issue with members who reply by email. There isn't a relevant setting fro the group, but here's what Groups.io does generally:

o In replies forwarded to members receiving individual messages, nothing. The quoted matter is passed through.

o In replies forwarded to members receiving digests the trailing quoted matter is removed. In some cases quoted matter may not be recognized if the replying member's email interface uses an unconventional marking for quoted material; if you have a frequent case where this happens you can ask support to look into it. In rare cases a top-quote can cause the entire reply to disappear.

o In replies shown in the group's messages section the trailing quoted matter is hidden under an ellipsis button [...] that can be clicked to show it. As with the Digest case the detection isn't always perfect.

Having an option like that would save our moderators a lot of time
having to remove piggybacking and would also minimize the moderators'
alienating of so many of our members when we reject one of their
messages and ask that they to remove the piggybacking and then
re-submit it.

If your primary motive for rejecting the piggybacking was the effect it has on Y!group digests (extensive bottom quotes making them nearly unreadable) then you may be able to relax the requirement in Groups.io. Members who receive individual messages in email are usually more tolerant of extensive bottom-quotes.

In this group I'm still pretty much a stickler for removing excess quotes, especially more than the first message in a reply. But I can't necessarily defend that moderation style on practical grounds. Just a feeling that everyone benefits from keeping things concise and relevant.

Shal


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Kim,

I have requested twice for the Groups.io to join my Yahoo Group to
transfer it to Groups.io - and NOTHING. When and what is supposed to
happen?

That depends on what other steps you've taken. If you haven't followed the steps in the instructions then nothing happens merely as a result of inviting the transfer agent to your Y!group.
/yahootransfer

See the many other threads on the subject in this group's Messages section, and especially see our web page for additional tips:
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Transfer-from-Yahoo-Groups

As of about a week and a half ago there was a two-week backlog of groups to transfer. I haven't heard any more up-to-date status, so I don't know if that backlog is growing or shrinking.

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Hi all,

This week's change log:


Feel free to reply to this topic if you'd like to comment on the
changes. Or better yet, if you expect a lot of discussion start a new
topic (or rejoin an existing one) about a specific change.

NEW: The website now requires consent for cookies.

I generally consent to cookies. Except when they're minty.

NEW: Added cookie policy.

My policy is all chocolate chip, all the time. Plus the occasional Do-si-do or Trefoil (when it is Girl Scout cookie season).


Comments about these others are also welcome:

NEW: Revamped terms of service/privacy policy/about/cookie policy
sidebar navigation.
BUGFIX: Fixed infinite loop when finding a File path in a specific
case.
INTERNAL: Made it easier to profile the web servers in production.
NEW: Account export lets you specify which groups to export data from,
and the export is better broken out by group.
SYSADMIN: Added an additional webserver.
CHANGE: We now parse a bunch more incorrect Date: header line formats,
where the day of the week is spelled out (Monday) and/or the month
is spelled out (January).

Please call out any you find significant.

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Thanks Shal... that was it -- my face is red, as two others tried to lead me there as well, but I drove right by it. Sigh.
It all works properly now
Best,
jerome

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Jerome,

I've re-checked it all and everything 'appears' to be correct: ? My user is logged in and the album is set for group access and updated.

You didn't mention checking the group setting, so I'm not sure if you included that in "re-checked it all":



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Bertrand,

The current group is linked to a database which refers to the yahoo
group's messages using the yahoo message number.

As Bruce implied, you're in a tough spot here because there will only be piecewise correlation between the numbering from the Y!Group and in the Groups.io group.

If you're a moderator you can use "View Source" in the More menu to see the header of the message. Groups.io added one at the top to identify the corresponding Yahoo Group message number:

X-Yahoo-Msgnum:

With enough tedious effort you could use that info to find and record the endpoints of each segment that has the same offset (the offset should be monotonically increasing. It may not be too arduous if members and mods seldom deleted any messages in the Yahoo Group. Of course updating your database would be another effort.

Hmm, I wonder if the transfer agent could be improved to include that table of segments in the transfer results notice. That might be a reasonable request to make in the beta group:


With the right kind of programming skills one might be able to create a script to go read them all and produce a correspondence table, or a list of the segments (as above).

Or, the fact that data is available leads to a different request you could make on beta@ - a means to search and/or sort by Y!Group number.

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Thanks for the suggestions Duane...

I've re-checked it all and everything 'appears' to be correct: ? My user is logged in and the album is set for group access and updated.?

Still no 'Add Photos' option present for the user, so no access.

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Check the thread at /g/GroupManagersForum/topic/20335683 that started just before you posted.

Duane
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Alexis,

When using the search option, it seems to return results for the first
50 or so lines, but beyond that everything is completely ignored.
I have contacted the support email address but not heard anything back
as yet. (Does this take like a day, a week, a month?)

You should have promptly received an automated "[Request received]" message from support. If not, you need to figure out if it landed in your Spam folder or was otherwise diverted by your email service, or if your message wasn't sent, or was sent to the wrong address.

If you got the automated reply, but are awaiting a human response that normally takes a day or so, but recently support has been innundated both with Yahoo Group transfer requests and likely with issues relating to Europe's new GDPR law. Still, it shouldn't take Mark more than a few days to respond.

I'd be interested to hear what response you (eventually) get from support, or however this issue turns out. If there's an undocumented restriction on searching lengthy messages that deserves to be brought to light.

Also, is there a post or a wiki page or such like that also explains
how the search routine actually works.

Thanks Bruce for that excellent page!
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Using-the-Search-Engine

Part of the data in the messages are in hexadecimal format and I
notice that if I enter one in the search field it appears it tries to
search on each individual character rather than the entire 'word'
for example if I search on A1DEF2 the results highlight every 'A',
every '1', every 'D', etc

That's... peculiar.

I tried searching for that and got no results, rather than a bunch of messages with those characters highlighted. But I didn't create any messages that would actually contain that string so maybe I didn't have the initial conditions of the test set up correctly.

You didn't accidentally include any invisible separators between those characters did you? For example, did you simply type the string "A1DEF2" into the search box or did you copy/paste it from somewhere (like a message body)?

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Go to Admin->Settings->Features->Photos->Permissions. Make sure it is set to "subscribers can view and upload."

If this is set correctly and subscribers are still having trouble, it's probably because they aren't logged in. Refer them to this for login instructions: /static/help#password

Hope this helps,
Bruce

I have a user account different from my owner account which I use for testing.

What I was hoping for is for a user to be able to create a photo album, add photos, and make it possible for others to add photos that album. No option for user to create album was visible after user selected Photos,?so I as owner created the album and made it accessible for anyone to upload photos. User still cannot add photos. ?

What am I missing here -- Thanks for any help
jerome

I'd like to know why members of my group cannot post photos at this time as it would be a useful thing for my group. Is there something I need to change in the group settings, or is it something the members need to do first??

Thanks, John1097.

AliceT,

When we send Stationery letters it goes to the group all broken up.

I don't have experience with stationary groups, but my understanding is that there are a few group settings that are relevant.

In the Message Formatting box:

Normalize HTML Emails - don't check
Attachments - allow
Plain Text Only - don't check

In the Photos box:

Max Size In Email - No resizing

Also, each subscriber has a setting to control the largest allowed attachment. That might affect the stationary images (I'm not sure about that). On your group's Settings page, in the "Default Sub Settings" tab, you might want:

Max Attachment Size - Unlimited

That won't affect any current subscribers, but it will set the default for new subscribers when they join your group.

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In our application, it would be helpful if members could include their personal contact information, including mailing address, in their profile which could then be downloaded for snail mail and contact lists.

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Not sure how/if GDPR would come into play, but since it would be voluntary it should not be a problem.

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Here is my suggestion:

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In the profile have the following optional fields:

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Mailing address:

Address 1

Address 2

City, State, Zip

Country

Phone:

Cell

Home

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In the Admin Settings, there would be a checkbox that says “Include personal contact information in the member profile.”??The box would default to un-checked so those groups who do not want to collect personal information would not be affected.

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Then if this could be downloaded as an Excel (or CSV) file it could then be easily used for mailing.

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Peace,

Tom

(Also submitted to the Beta?Group.)

Tom,

In our application, it would be helpful if members had a place to
include their mailing address in their profile which could then be
downloaded for snail mail.

If you drop that into the Groups.io "suggestion box" (the beta group) I'll second it.


That would be handy in my classmate groups - we're a bunch of people who've kept in touch for (far too many) decades in real life, so most of us don't mind sharing real-world contact info (address, phone number, etc.) with other group members.

We use a database table for that now, but it has a bit of an out-of-sight, out-of-mind problem -- the group Directory is more visible.

Not sure how/if GDPR would come into play, ...

Me either (IANAL) but given that filling in the info would be purely voluntary, and would be for the express purpose of sharing it with other group members, I don't see a practical problem.

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On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 09:18 am, Alexis wrote:

As for the speed, well it may be fast but if it only searches part of a message then it is of no use at all.

I think the premise is that by the time you've gotten 500 words into a message the subject matter should have been mentioned at least once. Groups.io was set up to accommodate discussion groups...those with a need to post lengthy documents as messages and rely on the search engine to index those documents for them are in a definite minority here.

Would anyone else have more definitive info please?

See also?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Using-the-Search-Engine

Hope this helps,
Bruce

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On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 08:26 am, <yeurc_h@...> wrote:

So my question is: during the transfer process, will the imported messages get the same message ID/number or at least the new message ID will be a concatenation of the former yahoo message number and something else?

Message numbers in any given groups.io group start at 1. I believe the transfer agent simply inserts the messages in the same order that they appear in the Y!G, incrementing as it goes.?If?there are any gaps in the posts to your Yahoo group (posts that were subsequently deleted or whatever), things will certainly get out of whack at that point. Also, if you've posted anything to your new group you are already out of sync.?

You can always do the transfer and cross your fingers, but I wouldn't get my hopes too high.

Regards,
Bruce
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