I'm involved with a large group, about to make the transfer from Yahoo to Groups.io, and we have questions.? I am naive at this.? I have much to learn about groups.io, and never enough time.

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At one time, Mark changed the button to force a download like you want.? Unfortunately it didn't work (actually caused weird problems) with several browsers, so was reverted to its current status.? Right clicking on the photo will open a menu that allows you to save it.? On Firefox, it says "Save image as..."

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Ever since Mark did his icons thing last evening the online message editor is acting funky. It works, but the button to add an attachment is missing.

If I refresh the screen, "Preview" and "Edit" buttons appear along with "Send" and "Discard"...then when the editor window subsequently renders the "Preview" and "Edit" buttons disappear.

I assume he's working on this but wanted to make sure our group is not the only one experiencing this problem.

Bruce

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 05:44 pm, Marvin Hunkin wrote:

So any ideas. Is there any software, or services, and any way to track the spoofer.

You mention that your group is "private and restricted" because I was unable to find it listed, which suggests that no - one else could have found it deliberately or by accident.

If you have grounds for suspecting that it is an "inside job" then:

Step 1 has to be to prevent your members list being visible by all the members. (This may have limited impact as your troublemaker may have downloaded a complete list anyway, but you have to start somewhere.

Step 2 has to be putting everyone on Moderation. If you have a large Group with a lot of "traffic" this could be a real pain. There is no point in putting just the next "member" to post something unpleasant because if your malefactor has a complete list then they will only move to spoofing another address.

Step 3 only applies if the troublemaker doesn't stop trying to get in, and that is to examine the incoming message headers to try and identify the originator's IP address. This is likely to be buried well into the header because of the way it is routed. Having said that the skilled spoofer will find a way of spoofing IP addresses as well in all likelihood.?

In all fairness I don't think you can expect Groups.io or Mark himself to provide a solution, because on the face of it Groups.io isn't doing anything "wrong"; the problem appears to come from somewhere within your Group.

How many Moderators do you have; do they have full access to the membership list rather than the entire membership having it? If they do, and the wider membership does not then much as I hate to say it it could be a fellow Moderator that is the source of the trouble.

In short, I regret to say it but at the moment finding a solution, at least in the short term, is in your own hands.

Regards,

Chris

I agree that the photo download button doesn't work as expected. I will post a request for a change in the beta group.

Bruce

On 04/07/2018 04:08 PM, Chris Jones via Groups.Io wrote:

BT handles email inhouse for some of their subscribers.

Are you certain about that? I thought that CPCloud was their other option, but I am willing to be wrong about it.

I might be wrong.
FWIW, my initial reading of their website left me thinking that:
* CPCloud handles some accounts;
* Yahoo/Verizon/Oath handles some accounts;
* Some accounts are handled in-house;

However, the images of the different email accounts persuaded me that
they weren't quite stupid enough to have three different outfits handle
email.

Regardless, the only thing I'd suggest BT might be good for, is as a
dumb pipe to get onto the Internet.

jonathon

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On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 12:48 pm, Patti wrote:

what if the message marked as spam was sent by the group owner? <snip> Would an owner be deleted?

Patti; I suppose its technically possible if the email sent back to you as the sender (assuming you have that enabled) was marked by your Mail Service Provider as spam. It's the recipient of the email that gets unsubscribed, not the sender, and from the recipient's point of view it was Groups.io that was the sender, not you.

Chris

I'm a new owner at one of the groups here that was migrated from Yahoo groups. I have a question about downloading a photo that is in one of our albums. In Yahoo groups, when I clicked on the download icon, I had a choice to open up the photo right on screen in Windows Photo Viewer or save it to one of my files. In my IO groups, when I click on the download icon, the photo just opens up on my screen, not in Windows Photo Viewer. If I want to save the photo, I have to right click on it and then I have the option to save it as a png? or bmp file. Is there any way to change that so clicking on the download icon will open up the photo in Windows Photo Viewer? That would also give me the ability to save the photo to my files as a jpeg.
Annick

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 12:19 am, Robert Schechter wrote:

Isn’t this like closing the barn door after the horse has gotten out?

Well, pretty much anything we would do at this point is too late, isn't it? What do you suggest that Marvin do?

Bruce

Does anyone know of a way to print a monthly calendar without seeing the event details such as repeat?

I've had to click the subscribe to this calendar, and paste the link into the group's home page (as our website link)? in order to get a printable calendar.
But I can't reference it as the calendar, which makes it useless to my group.
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It would be very unusual if it did. And wrong, given that Groups.io's servers are not in any way under the control of the member's email service.

That is correct regarding SPFs and that is why a server doing SPF checking is going to consider an email "from" domain X is invalid because it came from groups.io servers. My example has nothing to do with DMARC but shows how "spoofing" that an email is directly from someone is, in fact, a red flag to proper email handling.? Other mail lists do not do this type of spoofing and are therefore not blocked.

The only services that should be having that kind of issue are those that have elected to use a "reject" policy in their DMARC records. Those services are incompatible with traditional mailing lists, but Groups.io (and Y!Groups and some others) have adapted to that. Most other lists I'm on simply don't support users of those services as members.

There are servers that do not use DMARC records but still block email for internal domains that appear to originate from outside.? DMARC is a relatively recent addition to email processing and most private/enterprise servers do not rely on DMARC for protection.? Your statement "Most other lists I'm on simply don't support users of those services as members" is myopic at best. I found a number of examples in this forum of major services not allowing that type of spoofing and I am a member of a number of other list providers (beyond Y!Groups but including Y!Groups) who alter the "from" address so SPAM filtering algorithms that are based on sender domains do not block list messages.? By altering the "from" address to show the message was originated via the group (which it is) ensures proper delivery under all cases by allowing users to unblock groups.io at a level available to users (as most users cannot alter corporate or ISV rules regarding rogue email generation from outside).

No, only in the case of a reject policy in their DMARC record, I think, and that's handled.

Again, this statement is, at best, myopic and stating "if your email provider does this type of blocking and is not using DMARC, we won't support you." tells the millions of users out there that are using those type of services "Too, bad; we are going to remove a level of protection by spoofing your email address to appear to be generated from our servers instead of yours."? Worse, this is not explained anywhere in groups.io information on what would cause bouncing that was not occurring in groups that get transferred and we are stuck with the transfer and a large number of users who no longer can use the service.

If their rule were that simple their users couldn't participate in mailing lists at all - at least not lists that have fellow users. That is, if both Alice and Bob use 's service, they'd not be able to see each other's posts.

The only services that should be having that kind of issue are those that have elected to use a "reject" policy in their DMARC records. Those services are incompatible with traditional mailing lists, but Groups.io (and Y!Groups and some others) have adapted to that. Most other lists I'm on simply don't support users of those services as members.

As Dave indicated, there are many organizations? that have this rule and have had no problem with mail lists -because- the email is properly denoted as having originated via the list, not from that organization.? This type of policy predates DMARC usage and most lists that predate DMARC alter the from address to indicate the message is from the list, not directly from the individual.? This simple indicator resolves SPF failures and internal domain blocking algorithms that have nothing to do with or predate DMARC.

You indicated getting this option in "beta".? How do I do that and how do I get my groups set up to be part of that beta?

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