Frances caught me. I thought I checked for upper case AND, but apparently not very well.?After I looked a bit further, both of Frances' blind AND bouncing search results were actually correct. It wasn't obvious from the first couple lines of the search result, but looking at the full post did show that both search terms appeared.

In any case, add me to the suitably humbled list also.

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Hmmm...OR seems to work too, if it's in all caps.?

NOT also works...I was able to get 10 hits with one search and filter out two of them by adding a NOT.

If you mix OR and AND, it kinda works, but the operator precedence doesn't seem to match standard programming language precedence. So I haven't been able to make sense of that (yet).

So Lena is right. I stand wholly [and humbly] corrected.

Bruce

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Don,

What I would like to be able to do is send an invite message to myself so I can what it really looks like…For editing purposes.

In the Invitation to be Sent box the Invite page gives you a live copy of the message, including your inserted section. The only thing missing is the filled in invitee name replacing [Name] in the sample.

If you're looking for a static example, look in your inbox for an invitation to shalstest.

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Mike,

In my opinion, the pre-written letter is simply too involved. I would
like the ability to edit it.

That ability does not exist. The most you can do is add your own section to it. I use horizontal lines to make it clearer:
/g/GroupManagersForum/message/5779

Some people, especially those who moderate groups that operate in another language, have asked for the ability to write the complete invite message. However I think though Groups.io has some solid reasons to make sure the boilerplate remains.

See also:



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Well, an all caps AND does work. Perhaps not perfectly.?

Try blind AND bouncing.?
Two results.?
If it a lower case and, just one of the two. The only explanation I can think of is proximity.?

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? ??I've only been here two or three months-?so maybe this matter has been tell with.? ?I could not find anything in doing a search.
In my opinion, the?pre-written?letter is simply too involved.? ??I would like the ability to edit it.? ??

On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 02:20 pm, Lena wrote:

The search engine does not use or recognize Boolean operators.
See /g/GroupManagersForum/message/2257

Both wrong. Boolean operators do work. Default is AND, not OR. Phrase in "quotes" works. Unfortunately, despite Mark's assurance, wildcards don't work.

It seems that we are either guessing or using different terminology. I agree that phrases in quotes do work. I tried it.?However, AND and OR are not treated as boolean operators. They are treated as any other word to search for. Search for these 3 words: boolean and operators

Here's one of the results.

Both wrong.?Boolean?operators?do work. Default is?AND, not OR.?

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The search engine does not use or recognize Boolean operators.
See /g/GroupManagersForum/message/2257

Both wrong. Boolean operators do work. Default is AND, not OR. Phrase in "quotes" works. Unfortunately, despite Mark's assurance, wildcards don't work.

On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 01:26 pm, Shal Farley wrote:

But only if I'm correct about that.

I described the situation as a "time bomb" in a post on beta.

You probably are, and yes you did, in that order.

I may "beef up" the Mechanism section of the draft wiki to emphasise that preventative action by members is the best, even the only, way of keeping on top of the situation, and that they cannot rely on Owners and Moderators to do it for them.

But it won't be tonight.

Chris

Hi all,

This week's change log:


Feel free to reply to this topic if you'd like to comment on the
changes. Or better yet, if you expect a lot of discussion start a new
topic (or rejoin an existing one) about a specific change.

NEW: When attempting to change your email address to an address that
already has an account, and that isn't just subscribed to updates@,
we now offer the ability to merge the two accounts automatically. An
email is sent to the to account and that account has to accept it.

Awesome. This should be of great help to any member who's moved across from Y!Groups as a member of more than one group, using different addresses in those groups. This will allow the member to consolidate their Groups.io subscriptions under a single address.

There still remains a need for a means to allow one to manage subscriptions under different email addresses from within a single login. Currently one must still log out and in (or use separate browser sessions) to access web pages for memberships held under different subscription addresses.

NEW: From the directory, you can send an email to another member.
Limited to 2 per day to a specific person, 10 per day total per
group.

Very nice. Groups that don't want to allow this can (and probably already had) make the Directory inaccessible to members. Note that the limits amount to limits on initiating contact - the message you send will be "From" your email address so that person and you can carry on your conversation off-list.

NEW: We now keep and display the response from the email server on
successful deliveries, in the Email Delivery History pages.

Interesting. I'll have to watch for circumstances in which that can be useful information. Beyond simple curiosity.

CHANGE: The group home page month view now takes into account a user's
timezone.

Ah, good. That does mean that different members may see slightly different tables, but at least the search links will work correctly. Marcelo and Wim van Dam take note.
/g/GroupManagersForum/message/5373
/g/GroupManagersForum/message/6789

CHANGE: Allow padding-left style, to fix indented HTML.

Ah, good. That was bugging me in formatting wiki pages: paragraphs I indented would lose their indentation when I saved the page.


Comments about these others are also welcome:

BUGFIX: When editing a poll, the message that gets sent out now starts
"A poll has been updated"....
BUGFIX: Plain text messages had emails obscured even when the group
was set to show them.
BUGFIX: Fix page back in group directory.
BUGFIX: Honor group aliases when processing emails.

Please call out any you find significant.

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Paul,

When an IO group Email is put into one's spam folder is only one
message sent back to IO or does the offending Email cause repeated
messages to be sent as long as the Email stays in the spam folder?

I'm not on the inside of this issue - I've never seen an FBL report - but my current belief is that being delivered to the Spam folder does not itself trigger an FBL report, it is when the message is deleted from that folder (having not been previously marked as "not Spam") that the report is generated.

On the other hand, if the message was delivered to the member's Inbox, and the member him/herself marked it as Spam, that would cause the report immediately (and probably not again later).

So only once. I think.

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Chris,

Ahhh... So the "Notifications..." should more correctly read /A
message that had been marked as spam was deleled..

But only if I'm correct about that.

I described the situation as a "time bomb" in a post on beta. I hope that Mark would have corrected me on that point had I got it wrong, but possibly that comment got lost in the larger issue and was left to stand without comment.


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Shal,

When an IO group Email is put into one's spam folder is only one message sent back to IO or does the offending Email cause repeated messages to be sent as long as the Email stays in the spam folder?

Paul

Sharon,

To the right of the Search button is another button that brings up a date range filter. In some cases, that could be helpful in reducing the number of hits.
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On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 12:23 pm, Shal Farley wrote:

The observation was for a message allowed to linger in an AOL member's Spam folder until it was automatically deleted by the system. If I recall correctly that was 30 days.

It would also be the case if the member chose to empty the Spam folder or to delete that specific message while still in the Spam folder.

Ahhh... So the "Notifications..." should more correctly read A message that had been marked as spam was deleled..

I don't think I'll suggest a further change to the notification! I must, however, remember to remove my glasses before repeatedly bashing my head on the desk / keyboard in frustration at the "secret rules" applied by email providers.

Chris

Bruce, you are right - you can get to the edit screen from there, but just for that one group.
The other way brings me to all my subscribed groups.
So folks, depends on how many subscriptions you have or want to check!

Frances

Chris,

To me that implies that there is a finite time lag between 1 and 2
occurring; is that actually the case?

The observation was for a message allowed to linger in an AOL member's Spam folder until it was automatically deleted by the system. If I recall correctly that was 30 days.

It would also be the case if the member chose to empty the Spam folder or to delete that specific message while still in the Spam folder.

If it is then it's a fair bet that the lag differs between different
service providers.

Quite likely.

And if it is really the case what (typically) is the lag?

I don't know what's typical, Gmail automatically deletes from Spam messages older than 30 days.

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Chris,

I use Outlook and I would expect that putting the sender's address in
/that/ Contacts section would achieve precisely nothing.

Those of us who use email clients have our own layer of interpretation to deal with in all such instructions. A filter in your client would also likely be ineffective.

I say "likely" because IMAP does (I think) provide the possibility that a filter rule in the client can move messages between server folders, including the server's Spam folder.

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On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 11:53 am, Shal Farley wrote:

The controversial situations come about when an email service decides to send such a report based on 1) their own decision to deliver the message to the member's Spam folder and 2) the subsequent failure of the member to mark the message as "Not Spam".

To me that implies that there is a finite time lag between 1 and 2 occurring; is that actually the case? If it is then it's a fair bet that the lag differs between different service providers. And if it is really the case what (typically) is the lag?

I think I have been working on the assumption that the SP's feedback notification was more or less immediate following the spam label being applied. If it isn't then another variable has entered the equation.

Chris