Re: Security Compared to YahooGroups
Sharon, I'm preparing to move a 3,000 member list to groups.io. When I
announced this I was asked by a subscriber whether the security was
good.
I have no idea, really, what he meant but is the security as good as
YahooGroups, however good that is? People mean so very many different things by "security". Short answer: what J said - just say yes it is good. Even trying to answer for the limited definition of server security (the ability of an unauthorized person to access your information stored on Groups.io's servers) would require a kind of security audit; and I have neither the training nor access to perform one. There are a variety of available tools to help a site administrator to "stress test" the security of their servers, but I don't know whether Groups.io has used them or other methods to evaluate their security setup. I know from prior conversations in beta@ that Groups.io is using Amazon cloud storage for at least some of user data storage. Amazon has a pretty good reputation for their part of the security "attack surface". I don't think that's the whole story though. I don't know if all storage is there, nor do I know where the computing platform is. That could all be Amazon, but it wouldn't have to be. In terms of security of your information on its way to and from Groups.io it seems like they have that covered for both web and email. Both types of connections are made using industry standard encryption protocols. Account security is covered by the user's choice of one-time passwords (log in by email) or conventional passwords. The main threat to your account security is your email service: if someone has access to your email the game's over: they can use a one-time password or reset your conventional password. If you opt for a conventional password then the strength, or lack of strength, of that password also represents a vulnerability (for any service). Groups.io does not presently have a second sign-in scheme like Yahoo, which one can use to lock down access to your account to someone who has access to either a computer you've used, your email, or your mobile phone. That scheme is very effective against those who guess or steal (phish) passwords. So not having it represents a weakness relative to Yahoo, for someone who chooses a conventional password. Of course, if you don't actually use that Yahoo feature then it isn't an advantage. Groups.io also does not presently have a page where you can view recent access to your account. That isn't itself a vulnerability, but it fails to provide reassurance - or warning - about compromise of one's account. There are probably other aspects of "security" I haven't thought of. But that's my top-of-the-head take on it. Shal
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Re: Best way to back-up a message archive?
Maria, I was exploring that and see it opens the archive up as plain text (sort
of?) in a browser page... is it supposed to download it to a file? (i'm
using firefox). Not by itself. So, then when it's in the browser window what do you do...? As Lena said, use the browser's File | Save As feature to save that page to a file on your computer. And yes - would LOVE for there to be a one or two click way to routinely
back it up to a cloud based system. Store that file in a folder that is automatically sync'd to a cloud service. If you have the Dropbox app on your computer it can do that for you. Cloud backup services like Carbonite would sweep that up along with all your other files. Shal
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Re: Best way to back-up a message archive?
On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 03:44 pm, HR Tech wrote:
I was exploring that and see it opens the archive up as plain text (sort of?)
in a browser page... is it supposed to download it to a file? (i'm using
firefox).
Right-click the Download Archives button and choose "Save as...". The downloaded file is in "unix mailbox" format. You can open it in Thunderbird.
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Re: Best way to back-up a message archive?
I was exploring that and see it opens the archive up as plain text (sort of?) in a browser page... is it supposed to download it to a file? (i'm using firefox). So, then when it's in the browser window what do you do...? And yes - would LOVE for there to be a one or two click way to routinely back it up to a cloud based system. Maria
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Re: Best way to back-up a message archive?
You can download the message archive - in Settings. However it would be nice to automate this to save to Dropbox or the cloud. Frances
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Best way to back-up a message archive?
Hoping other group owners can help. What's the best way to keep local back-ups of one's group archive on a regular basis? Is there a way you do it via groups.io? or do you use something else to make sure you have all the archive and current posts on your own system? Thank you! Maria
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Re: Security Compared to YahooGroups
Just say, 'Yes.' Lol
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On Aug 30, 2016, at 7:56 AM, Sharon Villines <sharon@...> wrote:
I¡¯m preparing to move a 3,000 member list to groups.io. When I announced this I was asked by a subscriber whether the security was good.
I have no idea, really, what he meant but is the security as good as YahooGroups, however good that is?
Sharon Villines, Washington DC
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Security Compared to YahooGroups
I¡¯m preparing to move a 3,000 member list to groups.io. When I announced this I was asked by a subscriber whether the security was good.
I have no idea, really, what he meant but is the security as good as YahooGroups, however good that is?
Sharon Villines, Washington DC
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TakomaDC@...
Where Everyone Trims Their Tails,
Smothers Flames, Ignores Trolls, and
Never Sends Private Messages to the List.
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Re: question about deleting a subgroup
In the absence of any reply here, I just submitted this to [email protected]. If I get an answer back I'll share it here just in case it is interesting to anyone else. --jeffp
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Shal, You're right, I checked and the message had been deleted. But it didn't give me a blank result. I'd already been talking to Mark offlist about this and will mention it to him.? Thanks. J
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J, I realize this could be had by simply clicking on Date to reverse the
order, but instead I typed "1" into the msg# box and hit "enter."
Nothing happened. Nothing? You mean that the list of messages stayed exactly as it had been? Could you see a refresh happen? If it gave you a blank result I'd suspect that perhaps msg #1 had been deleted from your group. But doing nothing is different. Then I tried typing "1" into the box and instead clicking on the search
icon. All that did was take me into the next search screen, with a place
for entering a search term, which I did not want to do. Right. That's the other kind of search. Doesn't work for me in either safari or Firefox. Works fine for me in Firefox and Edge on Win10 Pro 64-bit. Shal
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On 29 Aug 2016 at 7:29, J_catlady wrote: Doesn't work for me in either safari or Firefox. Could you try one of
those? Sorry, I don't have either one installed on my computer. I do have Safari on my iPad. I'll check tonight if it helps. -- Jim Poston@... << I do not fear computers, I fear the lack of them. -Asimov >>
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Doesn't work for me in either safari or Firefox. Could you try one of those? I had another search bug previously which Mark could g reproduce but was able, by a weird magical trial and error, to fix. At least one other person in beta confirmed it but Mark could never find it.
Thanks.
J
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On Aug 28, 2016, at 10:37 PM, Jim Poston <poston@...> wrote:
On 28 Aug 2016 at 20:35, J_catlady wrote:
Ok. I'll report a bug. I'm using safari. Will also try Firefox. Yeah, it might be a browser problem.
For reference: it also worked for me in IE 11, Chrome 52, and Opera 12.
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On 28 Aug 2016 at 20:35, J_catlady wrote: Ok. I'll report a bug. I'm using safari. Will also try Firefox. Yeah, it might be a browser problem. For reference: it also worked for me in IE 11, Chrome 52, and Opera 12. -- Jim Poston@... << America: Home of the richest poor people in the world. >>
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Ok. I'll report a bug. I'm using safari. Will also try Firefox.
J
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On Aug 28, 2016, at 7:10 PM, Jim Poston <poston@...> wrote:
On 28 Aug 2016 at 14:31, J_catlady wrote:
I typed "1" into the msg# box and hit "enter." Nothing happened. I did the same thing in 3 of my groups and was taken to message #1 in
each. I'm using Vivaldi 1.3 browser as a point of reference.
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On 28 Aug 2016 at 14:31, J_catlady wrote: I typed "1" into the msg# box and hit "enter." Nothing happened. I did the same thing in 3 of my groups and was taken to message #1 in each. I'm using Vivaldi 1.3 browser as a point of reference. -- Jim Poston@... << And now for something completely different. >>
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I hate to bring up the "message # wars" again. However, today I was searching for message #1 in my group. I realize this could be had by simply clicking on Date to reverse the order, but instead I typed "1" into the msg# box and hit "enter." Nothing happened. Then I tried typing "1" into the box and instead clicking on the search icon. All that did was take me into the next search screen, with a place for entering a search term, which I did not want to do. Obviously, when you're searching for a particular message # you would not normally enter a search term as well. Going directly into "search" also did not work, because there's no msg# box - just a place for a search term. Before raising this as a bug, am I missing something? What is the current idea behind the message# box? It does not seem to do anything, as far as I can tell. J
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Re: storage limits in basic plan
On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 08:16 pm, Duane wrote: I believe it actually stores all attachments, photo or file, there. FWIW, this seems not to be the case. I was looking for some .docx and .doc files a member attached yesterday and they don't appear in the emailed photos section.? J
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question about deleting a subgroup
Hi All, We continue to test groups.io as a replacement platform for Y!G. At this point we are pretty happy with most of it, but subgroups aren't ready for us just yet. The inability to cleanly move a thread to the "right place" is a problem, so we're probably going to avoid them for now. But that lead to an interesting discovery. ?I went to delete a subgroup I created and got a confirmation message telling me that the action cannot be undone (which is fine with me) but also that the subgroup name cannot be used for "some time". Does anyone know what "some time" is and why that is the case at all? If I delete this group now - to avoid confusion for our members when we transfer - and we decide to add a subgroup of the same name in 6 months, will we be able to, or is this name gone indefinitely? If the latter I'll just lock it up and leave it against future need, but if we'll be able to get it back, then I'll delete it against accidental discovery. Thanks for any and all advice on this. --jeffp
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Re: storage limits in basic plan
Great idea, LeeAnne. Thanks! I guess if it's big enough for horses, it's big enough for cats!:-) J
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