Transfer Group from Yahoo
Judy Hall - Punch with Judy
Thank you Douglas.? All this input to a newbie to this group is indeed heartening that I am making the correct decision.? I have several groups.
Judy
Hello Judy,
The Yahoo Group remains as is unless you delete the group, or in some way restrict.? I know in my group posting to the Yahoo Group has been disabled.? As well if anyone tries to join the Yahoo Group they are referred to Groups.io.
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Transfer Group from Yahoo
Judy Hall - Punch with Judy
Thank you again Bruce, not too sure re your last comment though, interesting to look forward to J? Must also commend you for prompt replies. Judy
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On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 01:05 pm, Judy Hall - Punch with Judy wrote: Thank you Bruce, this is indeed very good advice, though not all wonderful to look forward to.? Hadn’t realised that everything would not be transferred over.? In the Interim, does that mean whilst waiting that there is no active group postings etc?? When completed, is the Yahoo Group no longer in existence? No matter what you do, it's possible that some messages will get lost in the shuffle. Personally, I allowed users to continue to post to Yahoo while we waited for transfer.
The transfer agent will not shut down your Yahoo group...everything will still be there. What I did, as soon as the transfer completed, I put the Yahoo group on "moderated" status.?This served as a gentle reminder that the group was now defunct and people needed to go to the new group. Then I took the list of un-transferred stuff that the agent sent me and tried to download those materials myself from Yahoo. Success with this was marginal -- if the agent had trouble getting it, odds are that you will, too. ? Because I have a separate email list of all students, separate to the Yahoo Group list of members, after I advise them of my intentions to move the group, I have already conducted a poll, do I have to advise them to make sure the link address is in their approved listing, ie white listed? Again, I appreciate your past experience advice. Difficulties with bouncing members and spam filters varies a great deal depending on each person's ISP, email client, and how computer--savvy they are. I think your best bet is to warn people about these possibilities, hope for the best, and help clean up the mess afterward.?
Good luck!
Bruce ?
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Re: Transfer Group from Yahoo
When my YG was active I would periodically review the Membership List, and anyone that had selected No Email was changed to Special Notice. I was glad to see Groups.io gave the owner the option, in whether No Email was allowed or not. ? Don ?
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bruce Bowman
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2018 1:27 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] Transfer Group from Yahoo ? Like you, Al, our migration and the inability to adequately notify people about it has left a bad taste in my mouth for Yahoo's "no email" option. I don't plan to abuse the "special notices" privilege but we have chosen to eliminate "no email" from our groups.io sites for exactly the same reason.
Bruce
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Re: picture of cat instead of group home page?
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Re: Transfer Group from Yahoo
Like you, Al, our migration and the inability to adequately notify people about it has left a bad taste in my mouth for Yahoo's "no email" option. I don't plan to abuse the "special notices" privilege but we have chosen to eliminate "no email" from our groups.io sites for exactly the same reason.
Bruce
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Q: posts during the transfer/welcome message/size to save attachments?
Thank you for all your help. Reading the posts here is extremely helpful to get a feeling for this new format.
A few more questions please: 1) I haven't seen any discussion of this, so perhaps it's not an issue, but I was wondering: What happens to the posts on our YG group while waiting for the transfer and/or while the transfer is happening (which seems to take a few days, based on a recent post)? Does the transfer "back date" from when it was requested, or from when it starts/finishes? Is there a way to add on the messages after, if some do get left out??
2) As an aside, does the "welcome to groups.io" message go out to the group immediately once the transfer is done or do we mods get some advance notice - so we can alert the membership? (Of course we will be letting them know beforehand, but people seem to have short memories).
3) Attachments are not so important on our group although we'd like to keep them in the archives. What is a good size setting to use? The smallest (150x150)? Will that be readable? Also what setting option in Default Sub Settings > Max attachment size to use? As well, will this impact just how the message is saved in the archives, or also how it goes out to the group?
Mindy
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Re: Transfer Group from Yahoo
On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 01:05 pm, Judy Hall - Punch with Judy wrote:
Thank you Bruce, this is indeed very good advice, though not all wonderful to look forward to.? Hadn’t realised that everything would not be transferred over.? In the Interim, does that mean whilst waiting that there is no active group postings etc?? When completed, is the Yahoo Group no longer in existence?
No matter what you do, it's possible that some messages will get lost in the shuffle. Personally, I allowed users to continue to post to Yahoo while we waited for transfer. The transfer agent will not shut down your Yahoo group...everything will still be there. What I did, as soon as the transfer completed, I put the Yahoo group on "moderated" status.?This served as a gentle reminder that the group was now defunct and people needed to go to the new group. Then I took the list of un-transferred stuff that the agent sent me and tried to download those materials myself from Yahoo. Success with this was marginal -- if the agent had trouble getting it, odds are that you will, too.
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Because I have a separate email list of all students, separate to the Yahoo Group list of members, after I advise them of my intentions to move the group, I have already conducted a poll, do I have to advise them to make sure the link address is in their approved listing, ie white listed?
Again, I appreciate your past experience advice.
Difficulties with bouncing members and spam filters varies a great deal depending on each person's ISP, email client, and how computer--savvy they are. I think your best bet is to warn people about these possibilities, hope for the best, and help clean up the mess afterward.? Good luck! Bruce
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Re: Transfer Group from Yahoo
Hello Judy,
The Yahoo Group remains as is unless you delete the group, or in some way restrict.? I know in my group posting to the Yahoo Group has been disabled.? As well if anyone tries to join the Yahoo Group they are referred to Groups.io.
Thank you Bruce, this is indeed very good advice, though not all wonderful to look forward to.? Hadn’t realised that everything would not be transferred over.? In the Interim, does that mean whilst waiting that there is no active group postings etc?? When completed, is the Yahoo Group no longer in existence?
Because I have a separate email list of all students, separate to the Yahoo Group list of members, after I advise them of my intentions to move the group, I have already conducted a poll, do I have to advise them to make sure the link address is in their approved listing, ie white listed?
Again, I appreciate your past experience advice.
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Judy
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Transfer Group from Yahoo
Judy Hall - Punch with Judy
Thank you Bruce, this is indeed very good advice, though not all wonderful to look forward to.? Hadn’t realised that everything would not be transferred over.? In the Interim, does that mean whilst waiting that there is no active group postings etc?? When completed, is the Yahoo Group no longer in existence? Because I have a separate email list of all students, separate to the Yahoo Group list of members, after I advise them of my intentions to move the group, I have already conducted a poll, do I have to advise them to make sure the link address is in their approved listing, ie white listed? Again, I appreciate your past experience advice. ? Judy ?
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bruce Bowman
Sent: Monday, 26 February 2018 3:26 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] Transfer Group from Yahoo ? Judy -- One of the biggest pitfalls we encountered were Yahoo group members who were set to "no email." We had a difficult time notifying them of the migration, and despite our best efforts some of them were blind-sided. Since there's no reliable way to contact them via the Yahoo group, you may have to capture their email address and send them a note manually. To mitigate this, I wanted to put up a new banner (i.e.: "cover image") that notifies anyone visiting the Yahoo group of our move, giving the new groups.io URL. Yahoo has repeatedly frustrated my efforts to do this.
You can also plan to have a number of members start to bounce emails after the transfer completes, due either to dead email addresses among your Yahoo records or recipient mail servers that for some reason think mail coming from groups.io as spam. The latter can be a particular problem as some will be automatically unsubbed from the group and have to be re-added. Anyone who had to "white list" Yahoo to get their group mail will likely have to do so with groups.io as well. Hotmail in particular seems troublesome in this regard.
That said, this can also be useful to eliminate some of the deadwood users that seem to accumulate over time.
In our two migrations, members, files and messages seemed to transfer well. Photos are more troublesome and you can expect to lose a third to a half of them...for no other reason than the Yahoo servers are balky. Be advised the files attachments to messages -- photos or otherwise -- are NOT migrated. This includes any photos appearing in the "Photostream."
Finally, be advised that many groups are abandoning Yahoo right now and it may take awhile (a week or more) for the transfer agent to get around to you. The inability to provide a firm date to your members as to when the migration will actually take place can also be mildly frustrating.
That's my experience. Hope this helps!
Bruce
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Go to Admin->Settings and click the "download archives" button. However, this will only give you all the messages. I know of no way to do the same thing with files, folders and the rest...but I suspect it's been suggested in the beta group.
Bruce
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Re: picture of cat instead of group home page?
That’s nit necessary. Just do a reload.
[mod note: That's Ctrl+R or F5 in most browsers, or Ctrl+F5 for a complete refresh]
On Feb 25, 2018, at 12:58 PM, Bruce Bowman < bruce.bowman@...> wrote:
Flush your browser cache.
Bruce
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Re: picture of cat instead of group home page?
Flush your browser cache.
Bruce
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Re: Member only sees a basic GIO home page
David, I have a listed member of my group who can not sign in or get past a
basic GIO home page. He has no "your groups" in top header and his
name is not in the upper right. Tell him to click on the Log In link in the upper right. From there the easiest path forward is to click the "Email me a link to log in" button. No password required this way. He'll enter his email address on the web form. That must be the address you see in your group's Members list, so perhaps tell him that address, just in case he has more than one email address. Groups.io will send to that address an email message with a link in it. When he clicks on that link he'll be brought to the site and logged in. From there he can read, post, add a profile, whatever he needs or wants to do. Shal -- Help: /static/helpMore Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiEven More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
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First off, the only people on this group are others users, like you. It's easy to backup messages and users.? Those are on the Settings page (Download Archives) and Members page (Download).? As far as I know, the other things have to downloaded manually. Duane -- Help: /static/helpGMF's Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiSearch button at the top of Messages list
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Member only sees a basic GIO home page
Hello,
I have a listed member of my group who can not sign in or get past a basic GIO home page. He has no "your groups" in top header and his name is not in the upper right.
Any thoughts, I'm very new at this but excited about the way forward.
David
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Re: Questionnaire at what subscription step?
Oh, Janet, fine, thank you. I?ve found that. ? Yes, my group is restricted, but the archives weren?t set private. So everyone joining could already see all the messages without being subscribed orderly. I didn?t quite get that archives actually means older messagesJ. ? So thanks and a very ice day for you ? Victoria
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Re: Questionnaire at what subscription step?
hi i also require people to fill in a questionairre and ive been sending it how myself when people request to join as i cant see a way to add an attachment to the notice is there a way to do this or would i have to type it out in full on notice
jackiep
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Re: Transfer Group from Yahoo
The “No Email” delivery is a hazard most Yahoo Groups has when it comes to
contacting the entire list membership. No Email means just that. The person who
chooses no “No Email” wants only one way contact with the List. A move like the
one from Yahoo Groups to Groups.io creates a vacuum that cannot be avoided when
it comes to informing the Yahoo List subscribers of the of the transfer to
Groups.io.
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I am one of two co-owners of a Yahoo Group that has existed for almost 20
years. The subscriber list is over 12,000. Of that list about 58%, from a
membership sampling of 1000 subscribers, have chosen the “No Email” delivery
method. We cannot contact that 58% membership directly.
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I am one of those leading this 12,000 member list in the move to Groups.io.
We, the co-owners, have elected to eliminate from the new list at groups.io the
“No Email” mail delivery option.
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Here is what I expect to happen when the transfer finally takes
place.
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1) All of the members who have dead email address (Bouncing) will not be
transferred thus lowering the number of members at the new location. How many
the dead email list members there are is unknown. I can say from a sampling of
the bouncing members that the number is greater than 1000.
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2) All of the “No Email” subscribers who did not have a bouncing/dead email
address will be converted to “Special Notice” status. This will allow us to at
least contact those members in the future who we could not contact on the Yahoo
Group list in the past.
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3) I have been told, and I have not yet been able to confirm this but
during the transfer all those members who do not already have a Groups.io
account will be sent a notice on how to join Groups.io. Those members who
already have a Groups.io account will not receive this how to join groups.io
email.
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4) If the above item #3 takes place then I expect to see some of those that
were converted from “No Email” to “Special Notice” bouncing.
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5) If the above item #3 does not take place then I expect to see some of
those “Special Notice” subscribers bouncing after I send a “Special Notice” to
the entire membership announcing that the transfer from Yahoo Groups to
Groups.io is complete and that the Yahoo Group activity has been
terminated.
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I did transfer one of my smaller lists, starting subscribers was 227. I did
see the elimination of the bouncing email subscribers. I did see the conversion
of “No Email” to “Special Notice”. I also saw about a 20% of the membership
bouncing and almost all of them had previously been subscribers having the “No
Email” deliver status.
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How the subscriber list will look after the transfer takes place and how
many bouncing emails the list will receive will be interesting to say the
least.
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In the end the I hope to have a more defined and dedicated group of
subscribers.
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Al
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Re: Simple question - is possible to print the Database Tables?
i did same with me yahoo group and like you tried export and was too small so i saved the page as a web page through tools in browser i use chrome but presume can do same with other browsers jackiep
On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 7:18 PM, Jan Winspear <jan@...> wrote:
I was wondering if it is possible to print the Database Tables as we could on
the other lot!!!? I checked around and couldn’t see how so copied and pasted my list – I print them out after sign ups to work out the partners – the export is no good as it is too small.
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Thanks for any help
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Best Wishes
Jan
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think maybe was just a blip cos got in ok today, whereas yesterday couldnt get in even when typed addy in like you
jackiep
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