I agree Donald.
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto: [email protected]] On Behalf Of Donald Hellen Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 6:21 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [GMF] The Transfer This just underscores the fact that YG! groups are jumping ship at an exponentially increasing rate. It will probably get worse. We did ours when it only took a few days start to finish. Now those who didn't see YG! in the decline are in a state of panic. But fortunately there's still time. There is the possibility, of course, that YG! could reverse its decline if Verizon decides to fully fund it. But I personally believe that would just be wishful thinking. I think the wait is worth it even if it takes two weeks to get the group transferred. Donald
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Re: Question About Migrating from Yahoo Groups to Groups.IO and Setting Up a New Group's Privacy Choices
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Thanks, Shal, for confirming J's answers.? Lawrence, I wanted to make sure I fully understood the definition of "archives", as making that private choice is a "once and done", so I didn't want to make a mistake and choose that, then not be able to reverse my choice if I didn't understand the meaning of "archive".? So, I'll go back through and make sure all the rest of the sections are also viewable only by list subscribers.? Appreciate all the help.? Big step for us.? And Shal, my list members are not the most savvy computer users, so I've opted to keep my list names the same as I move them over to Groups.IO, for fear my Yahoo Groups list members might get confused.? I have enough issues with changing the Yahoo Group name over the years (what a ridiculous kurfflufle, causing a bunch of unnecessary resubscription requests), so anything to K.I.S.S. for my group members, the better for the list mods and owner!?
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Your statement is correct, but wrong example.
Stan
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On 2/20/2018 7:18 PM, J_Catlady wrote: On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 05:32 pm, Stan Gorodenski wrote:
/whenever someone has some questions about, for example recently,
the continuity of groups.io, some of the long timers who have been
involved with the development of this group and have been in
contact with Mark immediately, criticize, in effect, the the
individuals that are raising the issue by saying how hard Mark has
worked and so on./
If X asks, "Why should I believe that this company will stay in business?" and others answer, "Because in our years-long experience with him, we have found that the owner knows what he's doing and has integrity," I don't know how that could be interpreted as criticism. It is simply an answer to the question.
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I see we are talking about two different things. In my original message I said "I sent a message to 'transfer' that I am ready to have the group transferred. I did this on Feb 15th. I never got a response that my message was received. Can I just assume they got it?" I was clearly talking about the fact that I have no way of knowing if [email protected] had received my message that I was ready to have the group transferred. How my question got interpreted as something related to invitations I do not know. Stan
On 2/20/2018 6:28 PM, Duane wrote: On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 05:23 pm, Stan Gorodenski wrote:
I resent my message to have the group transferred.
That one goes into the queue and will get processed as time permits. The only one that's near instant is the notification that the invitation to your YG was received.
Duane
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is there a way to report abuse on the groups.io site
Hi. Is there a way to report abuse to support at groups.io. some one had hacked a friends e-mail and the group site, using spoofing software to pretend to be the owners of a couple of groups, my friend is an owner or co-owner. And sending filthy messages, and threatening to colose these groups down and to have his internet suspended. Is there a way to do this. Will let my friends know, and a admin on a couple of groups.
Thanks.
Ps: just this is harassment or cyberbullying, been going for a few weeks, my friend then had to close the previous group, due to all these sperious messages, then he set up another group and having the same issue.
Thanks.
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messages from GMF going into spam today
In case anyone else wants to check their spam, I realized a few minutes ago that the vast majority of GMF messages today have gone into my spam file. I've been finding them only hours later when I go to the site. This is happening with none of my other groups.
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Re: Question About Migrating from Yahoo Groups to Groups.IO and Setting Up a New Group's Privacy Choices
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J, But actually, all content in a private group remains private for its
lifetime except possibly the wiki, the calendar, and the group
guidelines, any of which can be made public at any time. That statement is true of groups with public (message) archives as well. Aside from those you named, the other content areas cannot be made public even if the archives are. Shal -- Help: /static/helpMore Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiEven More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
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Re: Question About Migrating from Yahoo Groups to Groups.IO and Setting Up a New Group's Privacy Choices
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Patty, Questions #1: So, in order to move my Yahoo Groups to Groups.IO, I
understand that first, I'm going to need to create a Groups.IO group
to migrate my Yahoo Group over to? Correct. There's no requirement that the Groups.io group have the same name as the Yahoo Group. The identity of the Groups.io group is something you tell the transfer agent in Step 2.2. So, what I want is the group to be visible to folks looking to join,
but I do not want our messages, files, photos, etc. to be visible
publicly. ...
So, I am thinking I would want to select #3. Correct. So, just wanting to make sure I'm understanding the definition of
"archives". I am taking that to mean my past messages, files, photos,
databases, etc? No. In this control "archives" refers only to the messages. Other content areas have their own access controls, further down the page. None of those are irreversible, and none are affected by the choice you make for the (messages) archive. As J noted, of the other areas only the Wiki, Calendar, and the Guidelines have the option of being made publicly visible. Shal -- Help: /static/helpMore Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiEven More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
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Re: Question About Migrating from Yahoo Groups to Groups.IO and Setting Up a New Group's Privacy Choices
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On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 07:21 pm, Lawrence London wrote:
you can click on making it private (either of the private options) and it will tell you that if you do that it can never be reversed, i.e. always private.
True, but Patty's question was what content, exactly, remains private. "Archive" refers specifically to the message list. But actually, all content in a private group remains private for its lifetime except possibly the wiki, the calendar, and the group guidelines, any of which can be made public at any time.? ? -- J
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On Tuesday, February 20, 2018, 10:13:29 PM EST, Donald Hellen <donhellen@...> wrote:
I think the wait is worth it even if it takes two weeks to get the
group transferred.
Donald
Amen Donald,
My first transfer took a few days and went well. This one has been about 10 days and from my PG Offline download experience I figure it will take few more and know that some things will not transfer. I'm glad to wait.?
The other option is to invite the new members to your new Groups.io and then freeze the Verizon/Yahoo Group. I've done this when creating a new Verizon/Yahoo group from the ashes of a failed Verizon/Yahoo group. It takes longer, yet works. In either case, I'm glad I've backed up my groups.
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Re: Question About Migrating from Yahoo Groups to Groups.IO and Setting Up a New Group's Privacy Choices
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Re: Question About Migrating from Yahoo Groups to Groups.IO and Setting Up a New Group's Privacy Choices
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Ok, I have some clarification: in a group with "private archives," all content is private with the possible exception of the Wiki pages and the calendar, which can be made accessible to the public at any point. The Group Guidelines can also be made public.
On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 5:38 PM, Patty Sliney via Groups.Io <hoosierquilt@...> wrote: Thanks, J.?
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Re: After the transfer, some YG subscribers immediately opt out of new list on groups.io
Any time you move, a household or an office or an informal group, things get broken and lost. If you move the entire membership list that includes all of the lurkers ¨C percentages vary but say it is 50%. Many of them are dead or gone and never know about the move. Others suddenly wake up and decide they lost interest long ago anyway.
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What matters is the number of active, current participants. That is the core.
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If you have PG Offline database you can tell exactly who they are with a statistics builder report, and target the ones that matter.
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Don¡¯t waste time or emotional stress over the rest.
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Cheers, Life is Good
Scott Bonacker CPA ¨C McCullough and Associates LLC ¨C Springfield, MO
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From: [email protected] [mailto: [email protected]] On Behalf Of SP4149 Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 12:43 AM To: [email protected]Subject: [GMF] After the transfer, some YG subscribers immediately opt out of new list on groups.io
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Within seconds of getting the rush that your group has finally, successfully transferred, you start getting messages from members of the old YG list who have immediately quit the new list (unsubscribed)
This is disappointing, after the frustration of waiting for the transfer to complete, to have old list members quit without even investigating the new list.? At this point I will change the YG list to not allow new members or new posts.? But there is this impulse to remove these instant unsubscribers from the old YG list as well.? Make it a complete sweep on both lists...
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This just underscores the fact that YG! groups are jumping ship at an exponentially increasing rate. It will probably get worse. We did ours when it only took a few days start to finish. Now those who didn't see YG! in the decline are in a state of panic. But fortunately there's still time. There is the possibility, of course, that YG! could reverse its decline if Verizon decides to fully fund it. But I personally believe that would just be wishful thinking. I think the wait is worth it even if it takes two weeks to get the group transferred. Donald On Tue, 20 Feb 2018 18:01:27 -0800, "SP4149" <ken@...> wrote: It took 6 days for my invitation to [email protected] to be accepted. Within 30 minutes I submitted the EasyGroup Transfer request and that took another 6 days.
ken The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it. --George Orwell
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On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 05:32 pm, Stan Gorodenski wrote:
whenever someone has some questions about, for example recently, the continuity of groups.io, some of the long timers who have been involved with the development of this group and have been in contact with Mark immediately, criticize, in effect, the the individuals that are raising the issue by saying how hard Mark has worked and so on.
If X asks, "Why should I believe that this company will stay in business?" and others answer, "Because in our years-long experience with him, we have found that the owner knows what he's doing and has integrity," I don't know how that could be interpreted as criticism. It is simply an answer to the question.? ? -- J
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It took 6 days for my invitation to [email protected] to be accepted.? Within 30 minutes I submitted the EasyGroup Transfer request and that took another 6 days.
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On 2018-02-20 17:28, Duane wrote:
On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 05:23 pm, Stan Gorodenski wrote:
I resent my message to have the group transferred.
That one goes into the queue and will get processed as time permits.? The only one that's near instant is the notification that the invitation to your YG was received.
Duane
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Anyone old enough to remember the old Datamation magazine might remember the famous quote about Sperry vs IBM that went, Sperry snatched defeat from the jaws of victory." How so like Sperry is Yahoo.? They were the first really big Internet company.? They had it all and? didn't know how to hold it together and grow. I don't care what Yahoo did wrong.? They are dead to me because they did not care for their users for several years. Their board of directors has consistently dropped the ball, always blaming problems on the CEO and "outside investors" but they, the board are, in the end responsible for Yahoo's failure. -- Bob Bellizzi
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Re: Question About Migrating from Yahoo Groups to Groups.IO and Setting Up a New Group's Privacy Choices
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I wasn't going to respond to this, but now you are the second person who said this. Obviously, Mark's personal characteristics and integrity are facts. His hard work on groups.io is a fact. That we owe a lot to Mark is a fact. What I was referring to was that whenever someone has some questions about, for example recently, the continuity of groups.io, some of the long timers who have been involved with the development of this group and have been in contact with Mark immediately, criticize, in effect, the the individuals that are raising the issue by saying how hard Mark has worked and so on. They have effectively turned any honest and objective questions into a criticism of Mark. This ends the discussion and prevents free and open discussions.
In my opinion. You have yours. I have mine.
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On 2/20/2018 4:11 PM, D R Stinson wrote: On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 10:02 am, Stan Gorodenski wrote:
Why don't we stop taking things so personally and just consider the facts
I believe that Mark's personal characteristics and integrity *are* part of the facts. It always stems down from the top in a company. My experience not just with the product itself, but also my interactions with Mark personally, are what make me endorse groups.io so strongly.
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I resent my message to have the group transferred.
That one goes into the queue and will get processed as time permits.? The only one that's near instant is the notification that the invitation to your YG was received. Duane -- Help: /static/helpGMF's Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiSearch button at the top of Messages list
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