On Tue, Jul 16, 2024 at 01:22 AM, Jim Lombard wrote:
What steps do I use to change the order?
Sort order can be changed by clicking the column headings.
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Regards,
Bruce
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On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 06:27 AM, KWKloeber wrote:
Initially, my reply was going to be ¡°Duh!,¡± then realized I must have been using the app.
To wit: NO ¡°Billing¡± on that menu.
Perhaps somewhere else?
Access via a browser on your iPhone, instead of the App?
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Brian.
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Recently the order listing of my 9 databases suddenly changed, ?I am the owner and I did not make the order change and when I check ¡°Activity¡± I don¡¯t see where they were changed by a moderator. The new order does ot appear to have any pattern to it - they are not in alpha order nor do they appear to be listed by date created. ??
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What steps do I use to change the order? ?How do I get the database order back the way I had them? ?Thanks in advance
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Re: Subgroup members that aren't main group members
On Mon, Jul 15, 2024, 19:44, Jim Dehnert wrote: As a head-scratching lurker here...? If you want to encourage subcommittee membership, but don't want to make full committee membership a pre-requisite, why not just make a new group for the subcommittee??? You haven't described your reasons for wanting this, but the ones I can imagine would work fine with it.? Just name the new group oldgroupname-subname or some such and move on...? (This suggestion flew by early in the discussion but got no attention.)
Unfortunately, that won't work either, for (at least) two reasons:? - We allow committee members access to (some of) the sub committee info, and more importantly,
- We can't afford multiple premium groups.
Cal
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On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 08:31 PM, John G. Lussmyer wrote:
I don't HAVE an Admin -> Upgrade in the menu.
That's one of the 'hidden' items due to the new user interface.? It's now at Admin > Preferences > Upgrade.? As has been mentioned recently, ALL of the documentation is based on the old interface.? It's being revised, but no release date has been established.
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Duane
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I'm going to upgrade my group from a Free group to a Premium group.
The instructions say to go to
Admin -> Upgrade
I don't HAVE an Admin -> Upgrade in the menu. (and yes, I am the group owner).
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Re: Subgroup members that aren't main group members
As a head-scratching lurker here...? If you want to encourage subcommittee membership, but don't want to make full committee membership a pre-requisite, why not just make a new group for the subcommittee??? You haven't described your reasons for wanting this, but the ones I can imagine would work fine with it.? Just name the new group oldgroupname-subname or some such and move on...? (This suggestion flew by early in the discussion but got no attention.)
Good luck,
Jim
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I have fully understood how main groups and subgroups work.? I have always been aware that there are only two levels, the main group and subgroups (no sub-subgroups).?
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I operate about 20 groups, two of which are local civic groups ("committees").
When I first set up these groups for committees, I renamed "main" to "full".
And I've used the subgroups mechanism for other creative uses, too.
Organizationally, a committee is the high-level group.? Some committees have subcommittees, while others have working groups.? For the purposes of , a subcommittee and a working group are the same.?
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The only problem that I've run into is the requirement that a subgroup member must also be a member of the main group.? I was hoping that there was a way to have subgroup members who aren't in the main group.? It seems there isn't a way.? Given that, I will go back to the subcommittee and say that subcommittee members must also be members of the full committee.? (I'm trying to encourage participation among members of the community without them necesssarily joining the committee or a subcommittee.)
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Cal
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Re: Subgroup members that aren't main group members
On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 10:53 am, Andy Wedge wrote:
On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 11:47 AM, Cal wrote:
But making the committee be in a subgroup brings me back to these disadvantages:
(b) everyone would have to belong to the (dummy) main group, which is likely to cause confusion, espcially with the email address situation described in (a).
Not a great situation.
It sounds like you didn't fully understand the Groups.io structure before you started using it. A committee is typically made up from a subset of the membership so it seems to make sense to have that in a subgroup. Everyone must be in the main group if they belong to a subgroup of that; it's how Groups.io works and 'main' is not a 'dummy' group. You may choose to make it an Announcement group so only Mods can post there and have another subgroup that all members are also in for general discussion but that seems more trouble than it's worth to me.
If you have subgroups, your main group can be addressed in two ways, either groupname@groups.io or main@groupname.groups.io. You can rename 'main' to something else if it helps (but be aware of the implications first). I renamed my 'main' group to 'allmembers' as that's what it contains and my members post to allmembers@groupname.groups.io to send a message to everyone in the group.
Your committee and subcommittee subgroups could then become committee@groupsname.groups.io and subcommittee@groupname.groups.io. Each subgroup is almost a stand-alone group so you can decide who goes where (with the proviso that everyone is a member of the main group).
If you are unable or not willing to change the structure of your group then perhaps your other alternative would be to create an entirely new group but that would likely involve extra admin for you or someone else.
I have fully understood how main groups and subgroups work.? I have always been aware that there are only two levels, the main group and subgroups (no sub-subgroups).?
I operate about 20 groups, two of which are local civic groups ("committees"). When I first set up these groups for committees, I renamed "main" to "full". And I've used the subgroups mechanism for other creative uses, too. Organizationally, a committee is the high-level group.? Some committees have subcommittees, while others have working groups.? For the purposes of groups.io, a subcommittee and a working group are the same.?
The only problem that I've run into is the requirement that a subgroup member must also be a member of the main group.? I was hoping that there was a way to have subgroup members who aren't in the main group.? It seems there isn't a way.? Given that, I will go back to the subcommittee and say that subcommittee members must also be members of the full committee.? (I'm trying to encourage participation among members of the community without them necesssarily joining the committee or a subcommittee.)
Cal
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Re: Clickable e-mail in database
On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 10:12 AM, Don Grass wrote:
I was hoping instead of the link being displayed like this for example "/g/foggers", I might be able to embed the link into a word like this "FOGgers".
I do that in one of my databases and it works fine. You use the URL field for the site link and the Title field for the word(s) to show. Duane --
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Re: Clickable e-mail in database
Than you for directing me to that part of the Help Manual. I experimented with a dbase using the Link option, but I found what I wanted to link to took up way to much column space for my use. I was hoping instead of the link being displayed like this for example "/g/foggers", I might be able to embed the link into a word like this " FOGgers". Don G
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Re: Subgroup members that aren't main group members
On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 11:47 AM, Cal wrote:
But making the committee be in a subgroup brings me back to these disadvantages:
(b) everyone would have to belong to the (dummy) main group, which is likely to cause confusion, espcially with the email address situation described in (a).
Not a great situation.
It sounds like you didn't fully understand the Groups.io structure before you started using it. A committee is typically made up from a subset of the membership so it seems to make sense to have that in a subgroup. Everyone must be in the main group if they belong to a subgroup of that; it's how Groups.io works and 'main' is not a 'dummy' group. You may choose to make it an Announcement group so only Mods can post there and have another subgroup that all members are also in for general discussion but that seems more trouble than it's worth to me. If you have subgroups, your main group can be addressed in two ways, either groupname@groups.io or main@groupname.groups.io. You can rename 'main' to something else if it helps (but be aware of the implications first). I renamed my 'main' group to 'allmembers' as that's what it contains and my members post to allmembers@groupname.groups.io to send a message to everyone in the group. Your committee and subcommittee subgroups could then become committee@ groupsname.groups.io and subcommittee@ groupname.groups.io. Each subgroup is almost a stand-alone group so you can decide who goes where (with the proviso that everyone is a member of the main group). If you are unable or not willing to change the structure of your group then perhaps your other alternative would be to create an entirely new group but that would likely involve extra admin for you or someone else. Regards Andy
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Re: Subgroup members that aren't main group members
On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 03:44 AM , Andy Wedge wrote: On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 08:45 AM, Cal wrote:
If we switch the original main group to a subgroup, will the address [email protected] work ?? (I don't think it will work.)?
You can't switch a main group to become a subgroup and there are a maximum of two hierarchical levels (a subgroup cannot contain another subgroup). If you have a committee subgroup, put all the committee members in there. If some members need to be in a subcommittee but not in the committee subgroup, just create a another subgroup (of the main group) and put them in there. It will be the same hierarchical level as the committee subgroup but you can control the memberships separately.
But making the committee be in a subgroup brings me back to these disadvantages: (b) everyone would have to belong to the (dummy) main group, which is likely to cause confusion, espcially with the email address situation described in (a). Not a great situation.
Cal
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Re: Subgroup members that aren't main group members
On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 08:45 AM, Cal wrote:
If we switch the original main group to a subgroup, will the address [email protected] work ?? (I don't think it will work.)?
You can't switch a main group to become a subgroup and there are a maximum of two hierarchical levels (a subgroup cannot contain another subgroup). If you have a committee subgroup, put all the committee members in there. If some members need to be in a subcommittee but not in the committee subgroup, just create a another subgroup (of the main group) and put them in there. It will be the same hierarchical level as the committee subgroup but you can control the memberships separately. Regards Andy
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Re: Subgroup members that aren't main group members
On 15 July 2024
08:27:17 (+01:00), Andy Wedge wrote: On Mon, Jul 15,
2024 at 08:22 AM, Cal wrote:
(a) everyone would have to use [email protected] rather than [email protected] which is much cleaner
both addresses will work.
I believe that, in Cal's
scenario, "full" is a subgroup so the addresses will not be
equivalent.
Malcolm.
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Re: Subgroup members that aren't main group members
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Frances" <frances@...>
To: "GroupManagersForum" <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2024 2:12:10 AM
Subject: Re: [GMF] Subgroup members that aren't main group members You can¡¯t have subgroup members who are not part of the main group. If they are
not a member already, they are automatically made a member of the main group
when added to the subgroup.
If you have a small main group, you can make them the subgroup (and go no mail
or special notices only for mail from the main group if they wish) and then add
the new members to the main group.
I don¡¯t know of any other way you can keep things confidential In our case, it wouldn't work to have a subgroup be the main group, as we have multiple subgroups. (These are subcommittees of a committee, so the natural hierarchy works for us. The head of one of the subcommittees wants to increase the membership of the subcommittee without requiring them to be a member of a committee. I'll see if I can enforce the "subcommittee members must be committee members" rule. ) Cal
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Re: Subgroup members that aren't main group members
On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 03:27 AM, "Andy Wedge" wrote: On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 08:22 AM, Cal wrote:
(a) everyone would have to use [email protected] rather than [email protected] which is much cleaner
both addresses will work.
If we switch the original main group to a subgroup, will the address [email protected] work ?? (I don't think it will work.)?
Cal
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Re: Subgroup members that aren't main group members
On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 08:22 AM, Cal wrote:
(a) everyone would have to use [email protected] rather than [email protected] which is much cleaner
both addresses will work. Regards Andy
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Re: Subgroup members that aren't main group members
From: "Andy Wedge" <andy_wedge@...>
To: "GroupManagersForum" <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2024 2:12:52 AM
Subject: Re: [GMF] Subgroup members that aren't main group members
On Sat, Jul 13, 2024 at 06:30 AM, Cal wrote:
We have subgroups, and the head of one of the subgroups wants to have new members that won't be joining the main committee (and we don't want them seeing the main group's archives or accessing the messages).? How do I set this up?
By definition, subgroup members belong to the main group so you cannot do that.
You would need to restructure how you do things and have committee messages in a subgroup that you restrict access to.
It might work to switch the main group to a subgroup, though two disadvantages are: (b) everyone would have to belong to the main group, which is likely to cause confusion, espcially with the email address situation described in (a). Not a great situation.
I'll see if I can enforce the "subcommittee members must be committee members" rule.
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On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 06:27 AM, KWKloeber wrote:
Initially, my reply was going to be ¡°Duh!,¡± then realized I must have been using the app.
To wit: NO ¡°Billing¡± on that menu.
Perhaps somewhere else?
Mark explained this on last year. Regards Andy
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Duane Initially, my reply was going to be ¡°Duh!,¡± then realized I must have been using the app. To wit: NO ¡°Billing¡± on that menu. Perhaps somewhere else? Thx! 
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Bruce
Brian Parkins
Duane
Don Grass
Andy Wedge
KWKloeber