Re: repeat of original post in replies (not deliberately quoted)
Thank you Shal. We don't have enough test users in our test group to see if there is a pattern yet... but i am pleased that groups.io seems to handle it better than other services we use/have used. Whatever Mark has done so far seems to be working better than elsewhere. Maria
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Re: repeat of original post in replies (not deliberately quoted)
Maria, I am wondering if others here have managed to figure out what the
pattern is with original posts being carried over in replies? There are several factors at work - which is why it is inconsistent. First is the user's email interface: different interfaces use different "styles" of distinguishing the quoted material. In plain text there's a reasonably strong convention of word-wrapping the quoted lines slightly shorter than the normal lines, then inserting a marker such as "> " at the beginning of each line - as I've done in this message. In HTML message formats indentation is often used, sometimes together with a vertical bar on the left. Some we see in the pending message - but once approved - they nicely
disappear in the web interface and the digest. In the pending list the message is shown to you pretty much "as received". But when displayed in the Messages section the system attempts to detect and hide trailing "bottom-quotes" and provide an expander ("..." button) to let you see them if you want. In the digest it simply omits them. But I am seeing on the @beta group that every now and then posts come
through with the entire original post underneath the reply. I've noticed that too, and I think it must be that sometimes the user's email interface formatted the quote in a way that escaped Groups.io's detection. It seems to happen most with HTML formatted messages. Wondering in those instances in which this happens if there is a
common cause and if as mods there is anything we can do to educate
those members to whom this happens so that we can reduce the amount
of duplicate carry over of the OP in replies. I haven't looked but it is possible that there's a correlation with specific email interfaces that those members use. But whether the user can do anything to change it I don't know. I suspect that in most cases the only thing the member could do would be vigilance in trimming the quotes. Shal
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Shal, I'll let you run with the ball if you want to suggest the combo on beta. ;) J
On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 4:31 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote: J,
> I personally wish Groups.io would automatically append a "special
> notice" banner at the top of special notice messages. It would make
> things easier for the moderators and also provide an explanation to
> members of why they're getting a message when they're on digest of
> special notices. I might suggest it in beta.
Good idea. Maybe also an automatically applied #hashtag in the subject line, such as the calender events have.
Shal
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repeat of original post in replies (not deliberately quoted)
I am wondering if others here have managed to figure out what the pattern is with original posts being carried over in replies? Some we see in the pending message - but once approved - they nicely disappear in the web interface and the digest. But I am seeing on the @beta group that every now and then posts come through with the entire original post underneath the reply. I know this happens in Y! groups a bit and with other listservs but am seeing it's very much better here on groups.io. Wondering in those instances in which this happens if there is a common cause and if as mods there is anything we can do to educate those members to whom this happens so that we can reduce the amount of duplicate carry over of the OP in replies. Thank you! Maria
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J, I personally wish Groups.io would automatically append a "special
notice" banner at the top of special notice messages. It would make
things easier for the moderators and also provide an explanation to
members of why they're getting a message when they're on digest of
special notices. I might suggest it in beta. Good idea. Maybe also an automatically applied #hashtag in the subject line, such as the calender events have. Shal
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Frances, If someone gets a digest, would they get a Special Notice message right
away? I would assume so. It should override their delivery options and
deliver the message immediately (or immediately as possible!) Yes, I just checked that in my shalstest@. It may also arrive in the digest, I won't know about that until later. Shal
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It sounds like you unticked it. I personally wish Groups.io would automatically append a "special notice" banner at the top of special notice messages. It would make things easier for the moderators and also provide an explanation to members of why they're getting a message when they're on digest of special notices. I might suggest it in beta.
J
On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Frances <travel@...> wrote: Thanks.
I did look at the two ¡°special notice¡± members and they hadn¡¯t received anything. So either it became unticked by my error - I was writing instructions about using the site so I was opening parts of the site in different windows)
OR the members were never properly changed automatically to Special Notice when I blocked ¡°No Mail¡± subscriptions. It says they are ¡°special¡± but maybe they aren¡¯t¡. Maybe still No Mail?
Frances
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I just checked and my digest members received the special notice, too. So yours should have received it. J
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Thanks.
I did look at the two ¡°special notice¡± members and they hadn¡¯t received anything. So either it became unticked by my error - I was writing instructions about using the site so I was opening parts of the site in different windows)
OR the members were never properly changed automatically to Special Notice when I blocked ¡°No Mail¡± subscriptions. It says they are ¡°special¡± but maybe they aren¡¯t¡. Maybe still No Mail?
Frances
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It's all working for me. To check (not using the log) if a special notice got sent, you can go into a special notices member and check their email delivery history. Yes, I sent a notice this morning. It hog logged thst way in my activity log and was received by a special notice member. Digest members would not receive it until the digest goes out. I haven't ?double checked that but I'm fairly sure.
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On May 22, 2016, at 1:16 PM, Frances < travel@...> wrote: The message went but not as "special notice", I guess. I see My husband has digest and he didn't get it.?In Activity, the message only appears in Message Activity without any note about special notice, but not in Moderator Activity or Member Activity.?It could have got unticked by error. Abut a couple of questions before I resend it - If someone gets a digest, would they get a Special Notice message right away? I would assume so. It should override their delivery options and deliver the message immediately (or immediately as possible!) I just recently changed my settings so that there was no "no mail" option. The two who had been "special notices only" got changed in the members list to "special notices only". Perhaps that isn't working. Has anyone sent a Special Notice recently and noticed its behaviour? J_Catlady? Thanks! Frances
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The message went but not as "special notice", I guess. I see My husband has digest and he didn't get it.?In Activity, the message only appears in Message Activity without any note about special notice, but not in Moderator Activity or Member Activity.?It could have got unticked by error. Abut a couple of questions before I resend it - If someone gets a digest, would they get a Special Notice message right away? I would assume so. It should override their delivery options and deliver the message immediately (or immediately as possible!) I just recently changed my settings so that there was no "no mail" option. The two who had been "special notices only" got changed in the members list to "special notices only". Perhaps that isn't working. Has anyone sent a Special Notice recently and noticed its behaviour? J_Catlady? Thanks! Frances
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It will be in your own "activity history" under your member page. It says "sent special message."
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Hello everyone, Does anyone know how I can tell if a post actually went "special notice"? I did tick the box on the web posting interface. But it doesn't say anything about it when I look at activity. Thanks. Frances
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On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 01:02 am, Terry S <apacapacas@...> wrote: a 200-character or so comment from the applicant
before the application gets to the pending queue.? ?Our group would also benefit from this. ?
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Terry, Yes indeed that's what I want to happen, and I hoped it
would with the membership notice added as described by Steph. But I
tried it out, added a message, then signed out, found my group and
joined simply by adding another email address. Sure enough my
membership notice email came through, but so did another joining email
with a confirmation link. Clicking that link joined my other 'me' as a pending member, but by the looks of it unable to post or see messages until approved. So it seems to do the job. Robert
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This is on the Trello ToDo list.
On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 12:35 AM, Terry S <apacapacas@...> wrote:
I would like to see a 200-character or so comment from the applicant
before the application gets to the pending queue.? Is it feasible to
incorporate a text box on the application page?
Terry S
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I would like to see a 200-character or so comment from the applicant
before the application gets to the pending queue.? Is it feasible to
incorporate a text box on the application page?
Terry S
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"Growing old is mandatory, growing up is optional." - Seen on the
web
On 5/18/2016 1:41 PM, Robert wrote:
When I set up my restricted Y! group many years ago, I was able
to include a question that applicants wishing to join had to
answer before the application would even be allowed through to
me. I want to do that to the groups.io group I have set up (or
at least know how to retrospectively). It seems this can't be
done retrospectively on Y! groups either. I tended to use what
the applicant said to judge if they could join or not. Is there
a way on groups.io?
Robert
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Hi Steph, Can't think why I didn't see this myself! But many thanks.
Robert
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Re: Moving a subscriber list into Groups.io
Reed, When I load my subscriber list, will it result in an invitation for each
subscriber to accept the membership to Google.io or some other welcome
message? In your group's Settings page there's a tab for Member Notices. There is a sub-tab for your group's "Welcome" message. There is default text for this message but it is in an editable box so that you can customize the message. o If you use the "Invite" function each person will be emailed an invitation to join the group. There is a fill-in box on the Invite page where you may customize the invitation email. The person's email address will be added to a "Sent Invitations" list. When he/she accepts the invitation he/she will become a member of your group and will receive the Welcome message. If your group has restricted membership, the invitation constitutes pre-approval so the person will not need to go through a second step to be approved as a member. o If you use the "Direct Add" function (only on Premium groups) each person's email address will be immediately added to your group's Members list. There is a fill-in box on the Direct Add page where you may customize a notice emailed to each person. The Welcome notice will also be sent to each person. o If Groups.io imports your list for you that works the same as Direct Add, except that no default notice is sent. The Welcome notice is sent only if you have customized it. Shal
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Hi Robert, in the group settings for your group
under membership notices there is a place where you can paste those questions
and then when a person requests membership of your group that application gets
sent their way, then they would fill out that form and send it back.? I
hope that this helps you.? Steph
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Subject: [GMF] Question for joiners
When I set up my restricted Y! group many years ago, I was able to include a
question that applicants wishing to join had to answer before the application
would even be allowed through to me. I want to do that to the groups.io group I
have set up (or at least know how to retrospectively). It seems this can't be
done retrospectively on Y! groups either. I tended to use what the applicant
said to judge if they could join or not. Is there a way on groups.io?
Robert
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