Thank you - given me some thing to think about here - barry

On Mon, Mar 7, 2022 at 11:43 AM, Den W2DEN wrote:

I'd like a moderator or owner to create a row for each member and allow the member to update only their row as needed.
Can this be done?

No.? The row owner is the person that creates it.

Duane
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If I limit Permissions:

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Oh, very good. The coding is different but the concept is exactly the same. I wonder why github didn't just use the same codes as mediawiki. Or maybe mediawiki didn't use the same codes as github.

On Sun, Mar 6, 2022 at 02:50 PM, Jack Heim wrote:

Any accessibility ideas at all would be welcome.

If you don't mind learning more syntax, you might be able to do what you want using Markdown as your editor.? You can set it in your account preferences, /account?page=prefs.? I'm not familiar with it, but it does offer 'shortcuts' to formatting.? There are a few messages on the beta group using the search term markdown.? A little more info at (I think this is the one used on groups.io)

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You could try that to liven it up.
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Aside from whether members are reading what is going on etc - many of them are leaving all the creativity to a very small group of 5-6 members max and paticipants in threads number about a dozen only. This is out of a membership of 185 members or thereabouts - not good - barry.

On Mon, Mar 7, 2022 at 06:01 AM, Barry wrote:

The default then becomes the recipt of only a (Special Notices Message) from the owner/moderator. To me this amounts to as good as a selection of "no email" by a member in the first place - therby allowing for little or no participation by the member. Is there an easy way therefore - to monitor the participation rate across the whole membership, to highlight those that hardly ever partcisipate or never at all. barry

This doesn't address your core issue about monitoring, but I wanted to remind you that you can have a monthly reminder go out automatically as special notice (you must tick the special notice box). That's what I do in my groups. At least all group members are getting a promo or whatever you choose to write up in Settings, Member Notices.
/helpcenter/ownersmanual/1/managing-member-notices/monthly-reminder-notice

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On Mon, Mar 7, 2022 at 05:01 AM, Barry wrote:

therby allowing for little or no participation by the member

It's not as simple as that.? I've chosen No Email when allowed, otherwise Special Notices Only, for all of the groups I'm on.? I prefer to do everything online, so the messages sent to a member really have no bearing on their participation.? Since Groups.io doesn't do any tracking, there's no way for a group owner to know whether I'm reading, downloading files/photos, etc.? Only when I post do they know that I'm even there.

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On Mon, Mar 7, 2022 at 06:04 AM, DEBBIE MCCREIGHT wrote:

I had another member state that their signature did not appear when on their phone?

Phone screens are so small that unless they scroll down, they may miss some things that are there.? The site uses responsive programming, so things do get rearranged/changed when on a small screen.

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Thanks Bruce. Yes, I meant signature page. I will make sure they check the boxes too. I had another member state that their signature did not appear when on their phone? Not sure why because mine shows up on my phone. Hmmmmm

On Mon, Mar 7, 2022 at 11:01 AM, Barry wrote:

Is there an easy way therefore to monitor the participation rate across the membership, to highlight those that hardly ever partcisipate or never at all.

Even if your members select Individual Messages in their subscription settings and Groups.io sends them an email for every message, you have no way of knowing if they have read it or just deleted it.? If, by 'participation' you mean that they reply to messages or otherwise respond to RSVP events or upload files etc then you could look on the Activity Log and select the Member Activity filter which will show some details. You could further filter the log by entering a member's email address in the search field and then use the Search button.

Regards
Andy

Good Morning - Participation or non-participation in my case - is becoming a real issue in my group. In "settings" and then onto "message policies" If you select the tab which takes away the "no email" selection by members, the message policy? then defaults to "special notices only" so a member remains not receiving any normal message update. The default then becomes the recipt of only a (Special Notices Message) from the owner/moderator. To me this amounts to as good as a selection of "no email" by a member in the first place - therby allowing for little or no participation by the member. Is there an easy way therefore - to monitor the participation rate across the whole membership, to highlight those that hardly ever partcisipate or never at all. barry

On 03/06/2022 15:29, Bruce Bowman wrote:

There is potential for misuse of such tools to circumvent groups.io's pricing structure. Picture a scenario we all collaborated to buy an Enterprise group (with its own domain) and house everyone's groups as unlimited subgroups of that. The ability to move messages between groups/subgroups would only facilitate this kind of abuse.

I have three thoughts:

1) As far as I know, GIO doesn't permit subgroups to have subgroups, so that scenario won't work to emulate groups with subgroups.
2) There really should be an API for this, rather than hacking the mail protocol. An API could, for example, restrict the copy destination to a group and its subgroups.
3) Ugh, perl ;) my eyes!

Best,

Glenn

On Sun, Mar 6, 2022 at 02:50 PM, Jack Heim wrote:

Any accessibility ideas at all would be welcome.

If you don't mind learning more syntax, you might be able to do what you want using Markdown as your editor.? You can set it in your account preferences, /account?page=prefs.? I'm not familiar with it, but it does offer 'shortcuts' to formatting.? There are a few messages on the beta group using the search term markdown.? A little more info at (I think this is the one used on groups.io)

Duane
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The following files and folders have been uploaded to the Files area of the [email protected] group.

• /ioimport.zip

By: Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...>

Description:
Lena's script to repost messages to a group from an mboxrd file. Requires Perl 5 or higher to run.

On Sun, Mar 6, 2022 at 03:49 PM, Lawrence Byrd wrote:

I will search for Lena's script and ponder this. Obviously losing the poster and date message context is a loss, so I will have to balance this against the pain of managing main as a faked-subgroup.

You can find info on Lena's Perl script at?/g/GroupManagersForum/message/22251?

I remain surprised that there aren't fully working export/import tools for managing messages with meta-data, given the number of different customers managing so many groups - surely this must come up a lot.

Yes, it does. However...

There is potential for misuse of such tools to circumvent groups.io's pricing structure. Picture a scenario we all collaborated to buy an Enterprise group (with its own domain) and house everyone's groups as unlimited subgroups of that. The ability to move messages between groups/subgroups would only facilitate this kind of abuse.

There's also the potential for breach of trust. Imagine posting something to what you thought was a private group (Alcoholics Anonymous or whatever) only to have someone later move all your messages to a different one that was public.

I can't speak for Mr Fletcher; but if it was me, I would be very hesitant to go there.

Regards,
Bruce

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On Sun, Mar 6, 2022 at 03:50 PM, Jack Heim wrote:

The non-profit is considering buying a Premium or Enterprise membership in order to have access to the wiki feature. I can't seem to find any good tutorials on using the wiki. Maybe groups.io consideres it self-explanatory but it's not if you're blind.

Jack -- I have no experience with screen readers so cannot really address the accessibility issues. I will say that the wiki editor is identical to the online (html) message editor. If you can negotiate the menu system for the online editor and create html messages then you should have little problem creating wiki pages.

As with the message editor, there is also a "source code" mode within the Advanced toolbar that will allow you to type in html directly, if that's what you want to do.

The only issue you might run into is creating (and maintaining) some kind of index. There's a rudimentary menu of available pages (under the Pages drop-down at the bottom of each wiki screen), but all it shows are the names of the pages that have been created. That's not nearly as user-friendly as having an actual index.

I really don't know if this helps. I hope so!

Regards,
Bruce

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Hi, I manage several groups for a non-profit. All the groups I manage are for people who are blind or visually impaired and I am blind myself. The non-profit is considering buying a Premium or Enterprise membership in order to have access to the wiki feature. I can't seem to find any good tutorials on using the wiki. Maybe groups.io consideres it self-explanatory but it's not if you're blind. I cannot recommend paying for a membership if I myself can't figure out how to use the wiki. I install and maintain? the wiki at my regular job using mediawiki. So I'm not technically naive.


Is there a way to maintain groups.io wiki pages in a text file? Can I get into a mode on a? groups.io wiki where I can type in text markup codes? You know, like in mediawiki, if you type three equals signs, it means H3. A pound sign means a numbered list item.


Any accessibility ideas at all would be welcome.




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Thank you Bruce, Bryan and Duane.

I will search for Lena's script and ponder this. Obviously losing the poster and date message context is a loss, so I will have to balance this against the pain of managing main as a faked-subgroup.

I remain surprised that there aren't fully working export/import tools for managing messages with meta-data, given the number of different customers managing so many groups - surely this must come up a lot.

Thanks again

On Sat, Mar 5, 2022 at 08:52 PM, Lawrence Byrd wrote:

possible to easily move messages, in bulk, from main into a subgroup

I think that can only be done if the group you are moving from is a 'stand alone' group.? See ? You might contact support with details of your specific situation for verification.

Duane
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