On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 04:01 PM, Ian Gillis wrote:

If, on the other hand, I follow the instruction in the message, copy the link and forward the mail to a pasted forwarding address,

I can't see anything about forwarding the email in the instructions.? If you right-click the link and select copy you can end up with the mailto: tag being included and if you paste that into the To: field on a new email then the address will be invalid. I have not been able to do anything (so far) that ends up with %2B in the address though.

Andy

BillSF9c,
There are a number of free and lower cost alternative depending on what your needs are.??is still available

The very basic free forums have ads, allow logins, but not no attachments, only posts
The forums that charge, adjust their prices in various tiers that are lower that $20 a month for more than 100 members, but again, no file storage, wiki, calendar, database, etc. Some do allow image attachments.?There are free and paid platforms that allow you to create your own forum and pay them a hosting fee.?

There is for national hobby clubs and organizations that operated large numbers of chapters in a regional area. There are no limits how many people in a group. It's free and has no ads. Everything is online: posts, calendar, event management, files, photos. A digest is offered but it contains only posted subjects each member opts to follow and has no content. Members must log in to access the actual posted content. It highly values member privacy.?

is another type of group. It's based in the UK. The lowest tier has most of GIO's Premium features for $12 a month allows 500 members.?

I am most familiar with??as I have used them for the past 15 years. I have both free personal GGs and domain/educational GGs which are housed under?.?The reason I came to GIO was because one of the NPs, I assist was against forcing their members to use any service with requires someone to create an account. GIO met that requirement.

I currently "own" 5 GGs for some NPs that I assist as well as for my personal use. The are a part of Google Workspace (GW).?One person would pay?$6 a month to have a Google Workspace (GW) account where he/she could create as many groups and directly add as many members to them as they need. The advantages to the paid GW GG is Google Sites which acts as a Wiki and the ability to directly add members.?

If you don't need a wiki or direct add, then you can create a free GG. Your GG members would need their own Google accounts to participate in Meets/Hangouts (GIO Chat), and create shared files, photos, databases, calendars, surveys (Google forms), etc.?

There's a lot of information out there if you search "internet groups" and "internet forums". Like GIO, many will make changes to their current features and pricing.
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I am trying to upload a 2.6 gb binary file to the files section of my group.

It fails, in firefox, after a minute or two with a lost connection message in the browser.

On Chrome it fails as well and I see this message from nginx:

413 Request Entity Too Large

I had assumed that I have 20 Gb file space for my group, and I want to use it to distribute? large important file to the members.

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Thanks for pointing that out, I wasn't aware of that.
Best regards, Beate

BillSF9c,

For any and all groups I am in & own, it it untenable if they grow.

No groups that currently exist or that are created before Jan 18th are affected by the new pricing structure. Which may or may not be changed before it goes into effect; possible changes are, I think, why Mark has opened the topic for comment.

Basic groups that upgrade to Premium will maintain the pricing that is or was in place at the time of their upgrade.

To see a group that could soon use an extra Gig in the semi-near
future burdened with buying 30... yes, not 20 - 30 now, when 1G would
last us another 20 years, is just unworkable.

The price does not increase, only the amount of storage.

If you decide to upgrade to Premium before the new pricing goes into effect you'll get the benefit of the increased storage, but without the $0.55/yr/member charge for members over 400.

Where else can lists/grouos, go?

It depends on the needs of the group. There are a number of alternative services out there, each having different pros and cons from the point of view of any given group.

For groups that are primarily email lists Google Groups is frequently cited. But I haven't used one in many years and haven't researched them. Others may have relevant knowledge.

Shal


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Yup. Just read it. 2 weeks old and somehow I missed it. For any and all groups I am in & own, it it untenable if they grow.

I'd be happy to see a list of alternatives to IO. I too must plan for the future.

I'm sure it was not intended, but to pkan this or that and then find a group started in September has no File or Photo section...

To see a group that could soon use an extra Gig in the semi-near future burdened with buying 30... yes, not 20 - 30 now, when 1G would last us another 20 years, is just unworkable.

Where else can lists/grouos, go?

TIA? & HNY! ?
BillSF9c

Duane,

That only allows the download of the message archives.

Oops, I forgot that.

Shal

On Thu, Dec 31, 2020 at 08:42 PM, Shal Farley wrote:
If you're a group member you can ask the group's owner to check the
"Allow Members To Download Archive" box in the Message Policies
panel of the group's Settings.

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Janie,

I tried twice to post that the group will be closed until Monday
morning.

How did you post to the group?

Via New Topic or Reply on the group's pages? Or via email to the group's posting address?

And twice It has never showed up. What's going on?

Never showed up where?

Do you mean that the posting never appeared in the group's messages section? Or do you mean you never received it in your email inbox?

Either way, as Chris suggested a look in your group's Activity log is your best initial diagnostic. If the message is logged there the log entry will tell you what happened. If the message is not logged there then you may have addressed it incorrectly.

Shal


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On Fri, Jan 1, 2021 at 02:44 PM, Christos G. Psarras wrote:

Has any of the premium+ admins done this?? What happens in this case, does it tell you no-way or offers to merge the accounts

I tried it on my (premium) test group.? It tells you "That address is already registered." and doesn't change anything, so it can't be done with an email address that already has an account.? They'll need to unsubscribe and/or delete one of the accounts for themselves or you could remove one of them on the group.

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So it is about multiple accounts within Groups.io, not multiple accounts just within your group.

Well, not to argue but it doesn't really make a difference; in order to have multiple group accounts you have to have multiple (at least as many) GIO accounts.? Or maybe I misunderstood what you are trying to say


>>> Does this member belong to other groups in Groups.io? Does the member own any?

I haven't asked yet, but I'll make sure; I highly doubt he owns any groups although he could be member of others.? I'll definitely explain to them doing this will also change everything else they belong to, nobody likes (unwanted) surprises!

Cheers,
Christos

On Fri, Jan 1, 2021 at 03:44 PM, Christos G. Psarras wrote:

Has any of the premium+ admins done this?? What happens in this case, does it tell you no-way or offers to merge the accounts (existing one into the new one) as it happens now when one tries to change/merge their account address themselves?? I suspect it is the latter but I wanted to make sure first, because in the owner's manual section for it,

Well, the member's manual says:

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Hi Folks,

Has any of the premium+ admins done this?? What happens in this case, does it tell you no-way or offers to merge the accounts (existing one into the new one) as it happens now when one tries to change/merge their account address themselves?? I suspect it is the latter but I wanted to make sure first, because in the owner's manual section for it,
/helpcenter/ownersmanual/1/managing-members/premium-and-enterprise-member-management-options,
it is a bit ambiguous IMO; it does state that It is functionally equivalent to the member changing the address in their own account which I interpret to mean the same things are shown/asked for and same outcomes happen in both cases.? But in the steps presented below that, it doesn't explicitly state that entering an existing account will ask you about it and initiate a account-merging process if answered Yes (provided that is what happens and not "it just happens right-away without confirmation quietly behind the scenes when one clicks on Save")

In a paid Premium or Enterprise group, owners and moderators can change the email addresses of members who cannot change their addresses themselves for some reason:

1. Display the membership record?of the member whose email address you want to change.
2. In the Email field at the top of the page, edit the member’s email address.
3. Scroll to the bottom of the page and click Save.

I have changed a member's address before but it was to a known unique one, and it was a "silent"/seamless change after I clicked Save.? I now have a member who is not savvy enough, with two memberships in the group, and I was wondering if this change capability would work the same way as themselves doing it and it could be used as a way for a (premium+) admin to do a merge-account for the user, in the same way as it can change the site-wide account address right now.?

I mentioned the "silent" part, and when I changed a member's address before for the life of me I can't remember if in that case the user did not get the normal confirmation emails which one gets when they themselves change/merge their account.? So if they really don't get any when a group admin does the change/merge, that fact should be mentioned in the manual section to stress that it "just happens" and to be extremely-careful if they choose to use this merge4U feature as they can mess-up a member's account if not done right.

So I obviously don't want to chance doing it without asking first due to the ambiguities so I'll also suggest in docs that something to be added there in the steps to clarify things after they are clear.

As a related thought-byproduct item to this, I wonder, couldn't a (premium+) admin also help a member (who themselves entered the wrong/typo/etc ChangeTo/Merge address and is now stuck) recover by changing the wrong address back to the correct one through this group "change address" feature?? When a user modifies their account address, it propagates right away down to the groups if I'm correct, albeit showing now as NC until the user clicks on the confirmation email link. (So if yes, I'll suggest in docs to add this option in the corresponding account recovery section)

Cheers,
Christos

Yes I did and I had no image in my sigantur.

Regards, Beate

On Fri, Jan 1, 2021 at 11:02 AM, Andy Wedge wrote:

The notification message you receive contains a mailto: link for rejecting messages.

The message clearly says to Forward the message to the address given in order to reject the pending message (same as for Pending Subscriptions.)? If a mailto: link has been created from it, that would be a function of the email program used to read it.

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On Fri, Jan 1, 2021 at 05:03 PM, Janie wrote:

I tried twice to post that the group will be closed until Monday morning. And twice It has never showed up. What's going on?

Did you send the message from a "correct" email address?

Have a look in your Activity log to see if there any clues there.

Chris

On Fri, Jan 1, 2021 at 05:02 PM, Andy Wedge wrote:

If you try and forward the notification message to the reject address you get a non-delivery report.?

I should clarify my own statement and say that you increase the likelihood of getting a non-delivery report by entering an incorrect address.

Andy

Just as an off chance, did you save the 'new' signature after removing the link?? I did the first time I removed the image.
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On Fri, Jan 1, 2021 at 02:12 PM, Ian Gillis wrote:

"To approve this member via email, simply reply to this message.

To reject this member via email, forward this message to: (address here)"

Ah; thanks for the clarification; the implication is that the "reject" address was somehow defective.

Have you looked at your group's Pending Members list to see if the failed application has in fact been deleted or if it remains in place awaiting action?

A look in your Activity log might also be helpful.

Chris