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Re: arrrggghhhh! I don't get it (just a rant)
I tend to agree with Don.? I've had a number of yahoogroups since probably 2002 or so and before NEO, I (as administrator/owner/moderator) was able to do a number of things administratively that NEO took away.? Over time, I've found that when you have a problem, you end up with an automated Q&A session that takes you to a FAQ entry that probably doesn't answer your problem.? Getting a human to talk to is pretty much a thing of the past.? They have made changes without advance notification, and many of my older members have a lot of trouble with the CAPTCHA process to change email or join the group, so they end up quitting in disgust.? I had two specific groups I was targeting for a move - the first one had about 150 members and it went like clockwork.? No hiccups whatsoever and it's been going for probably 6-8 months.? My other group was like nearly 1000 folks and I wanted to wait a bit.? What I found was that Yahoogroups access was getting flaky while groups.io wasn't, so I finally decided to migrate the larger group.? It took a little longer (probably because of the demand from former yahoogroup users to move) and some things didn't make it (files mostly, apparently because something is going on over at Yahoogroups - so I'll have to check and see what is happening before I shut down that group).
And, in any transfer like this, you will lose some people and you will gain others.? There are always growing pains, but those folks who are ranting and raving at you for recommending a move are stuck in a paradigm they don't really understand.? I made the migration to Yahoogroups from a LISTPROC server hosted at a university back in 2002.? My co-owner and I talked about the alternatives - we were looking at Majordomo, possibly hosting LISTPROC on a UNIX machine locally, Yahoogroups, Googlegroups, and for whatever reasons back then, we opted for Yahoogroups.? Every option has it's pros and cons, but so far (knock on wood), groups.io has been solid. Bill Hickey Boulder, CO |
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Re: What action is required by members after the transfer?
Can I suggest you send your group an email from your migrated group - by email to your Groups.io email address or by logging into your group space on Groups.io and sending something from there?
Then your group members will see they are still group members and are receiving email from the group.? I hope most most of your members are receiving mail. My group is set so that Special Notices is the least frequent delivery method. If you have Special Notices only, send your first message via your group site and tick the Special Notices checkbox.? Frances |
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Re: Are Adult groups allowed on groups.io
There's no way to have a group limited to adults only. To know whether your group is acceptable, you should read Conditions of Use > User Conduct in the TOS. If you still aren't sure, you could send a message to [email protected] for clarification. I think it will depend on the content and intent of the group.
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Re: Message Settings
#groupowner
They can use the email commands, shown at /static/help#emailcommands for some. They can also sign in to the site and go to any of their groups, select Subscription from the left menu, and change as needed (being sure to Save when done.)
Duane |
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Re: What action is required by members after the transfer?
Secretary,
They would have had no idea the group was up and running as I'd neverEach would have received a "welcome" message from Groups.io, whether or not you set one up under Member Notices. so this message must (I assume) have gone out to ALL the new membersBad assumption. That's clearly the message sent when your Director went to the Groups.io site and clicked on the ""Email me a link to log in" button. So, I think you are saying that everyone will now need to log on toCorrect. While they're there they can set a password if they like, or they can simply use the "Email me a link to log in" button when needed and never have a password. Shal |
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Re: What action is required by members after the transfer?
Matty,
Is there a fallback option - i.e. if you don't click the link withinAs mentioned to Secretary, the timed link is only sent in response to a user action, and is only associated with logging in to the web site. If the link times out, just request another on the Log In screen. Shal |
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Re: What action is required by members after the transfer?
Secretary,
However, the message received, presumably by all members (I hadThat message should not have resulted from the transfer, per se. That sounds like the "Forget your password" or "Email me a link to log in" message. Which is always user-initiated, so the user should be prepared and ready to receive the message. What I don't understand is what I need to do next to get the guysFor receiving and posting group messages by email, nothing. They are good to go once copied in by the transfer agent. To access members-only areas of the group web site they need to log in. To do that the first time they can use the Log In page and select either "Forget your password" or "Email me a link to log in". They will need to enter their email address (the one copied over from the Y!Group), receive the message, and use the link in it within the allotted time. Shal |
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Re: What action is required by members after the transfer?
You are confusing a couple of things. Firstly you and your members need
to do absolutely nothing, after the transfer they receive an email telling they have been transferred - there is a link to click in that email if they do NOT want to be in the new group, there is no time limit on that link. I think what you are talking about is the first time they visit the group they are asked to set up a password - they will then be emailed a link to enable that and that link is valid from one hour only from the time they click it. If they decide not to set up a password they will still be members but won't be able to access the group via the web, only email. Dave On 23 Jan 2018 at 2:38, Secretary wrote: However, the message received, presumably by all members (I had already |
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Re: arrrggghhhh! I don't get it (just a rant)
You're not the only one howling into that wind.
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While I attempting transfer of my largest group (almost 1800); (Transfer requested but no action yet) I have been suggesting similar moves for nine other groups. A couple are so dormant that YG could be down for a week and no one would notice. Four members quit in protest when I told the group I had requested a files transfer. They lit into me with parting comments about being alarmist, really aggravated than YG would not let them unsubscribe; after trying multiple times. YG sent me multiple (upto six) un-subscription notices for each one. Later I was able to manually remove their memberships. They blamed me because YG was non-functional, citing my desire to move the group as the reason for their YG problems. I have tried to help other groups that I value, in one case setting up a shadow group in groups.io with the same name. Their reply is that they have been with YG for 18 years and they will consider moving only when YG shuts down. They don't seem to realize that will be to late. Poll the members of your 'other' groups and give them a choice of outcomes. My groups wanted the database files and photos preserved. Automatic membership came in second. 25% were willing to ride YG into the dust until it dies without saving the database. About 15% did not want to take any action, even planning to develop a group on another host. It's like watching a ship wreck and blaming the launching of lifeboats for sinking the ship. I do need to consider how I can move photos and files (where new photos can be added now that YG's photo function seldom works. If I can move some of those, then I can tell YG group members that they can start a new in groups.io group. With some YG list owners and moderators, it's like herding cats. (I can do that, but the dog is better) ken On 2018-01-22 21:36, J_Catlady wrote:
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