On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 09:49 PM, Sharon Villines wrote:

How would I turn it off and why isn’t it happening with all my groups?

Oops; something sent a reply before it was finished. (Sorry)

The problem might be down to a difference in Settings > Message Formatting.

Attachments can be (a) Allowed (b) Bounced (c) Stripped (d) Moderated. Your current problem suggests that your "problem group" is set to Bounce.

Chris

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 09:49 PM, Sharon Villines wrote:

How would I turn it off and why isn’t it happening with all my groups?

This might be down to a small difference in Settings > Message Formatting .

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 09:39 PM, Russell Courtenay wrote:

Groups gives a break for ‘large nonprofits’ indicating they have some value beyond profit, what about small nonprofits, are they of no value?

I think it is necessary to define what exactly is meant by "non - profit". A hobby - based group is almost certainly going to be "non - profit", but its value is limited to the adherents of the hobby. OTOH a group might have wide - scale humanitarian aid as its ethos; in that case there is a clear (even if only potential) benefit well outside just those who are members of the group.

Chris

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 08:33 PM, M K Ramadoss wrote:

For a member to pay 5cents annually should not be a great hardship.

It's 5 cents a month or 55 annually

and I assume that most listowners would consider paying the entire invoice themselves rather than chasing over a hundred subscribers for 55 cent each

groetjes/?is, Ronaldo

On Dec 17, 2020, at 3:36 PM, Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:

Sharon -- Your mail client is sending a digital signature (smime.p7s). This presents as an attachment.

Turn that off and your posts should go through.

Thank you,

How would I turn it off and why isn’t it happening with all my groups?

Sharon

Mod's note - same attachment to this email. I deleted it. Likely it is a file associated with encryption for a signature.

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 04:39 PM, Russell Courtenay wrote:

Groups gives a break for ‘large nonprofits’ indicating they have some value beyond profit, what about small nonprofits, are they of no value?

I have several committee groups in Groups.io for my non-profit organization. I didn't ask for a discount, because free is even better. We don't want or need a high profile site with all the bells and whistles of the enterprise plan. We don't need our own branding, for example. I am grateful to be able to have these groups to make everything work better. I was lucky - an early adopter. And of course, anything you have now, you are protected as legacy enabled (i.e. grandfathered).

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On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 03:15 PM, Russell Courtenay wrote:

I appreciate that, but some things are more valuable than profitable, life isn’t always about ‘profit and loss’ sometimes it isn’t about ‘dreams and joy’, you know?

Russell, as the moderator noted on your post, the place to critique Mark's pricing is on the beta group.

However, as I said, based on my read of Mark's announcement - it is what it is.

Pete

Well Chris,
Groups gives a break for ‘large nonprofits’ indicating they have some value beyond profit, what about small nonprofits, are they of no value?

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 08:15 PM, Russell Courtenay wrote:

I appreciate that, but some things are more valuable than profitable, life isn’t always about ‘profit and loss’ sometimes it isn’t about ‘dreams and joy’, you know?

That appears to be a suggestion that anything I want for "dreams and joy" should be given to me without costing me anything. I look forward to getting a free Ferrari or possibly a Lamborghini sometime...

Chris

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 03:33 PM, Sharon Villines wrote:

I haven’t been able to send to one of my groups since Wednesday, possibly Tuesday. My messages are returned because the list doesn’t accept attachments. But there are no attachments on message.

Sharon -- Your mail client is sending a digital signature (smime.p7s). This presents as an attachment.

Turn that off and your posts should go through.

Regards,
Bruce

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I haven’t been able to send to one of my groups since Wednesday, possibly Tuesday. My messages are returned because the list doesn’t accept attachments. But there are no attachments on message.

I had originally replied to a messages so I opened a new messages and retyped it fresh. Same result.

I tried writing in TextEdit and had the same problem when I pasted it into a message.

Using MacBook Pro, OS 11.1, Apple Mail. The problem may have started when I installed the 11.1 update.

Anyone else having this problem or heard of it?

Sharon
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Takoma Park DC and MD

It is what it is.

I appreciate that, but some things are more valuable than profitable, life isn’t always about ‘profit and loss’ sometimes it isn’t about ‘dreams and joy’, you know?

Mod's note:

Problem solved. The other moderator misread the destination of the posting in question.

Russell, if you subscribe to the beta group you'll get the heads-up directly from Mark on this kind of thing. ?.

Pete

Two comments: the gmail outage screwed things up in subtle ways besides the gio bouncing issue. I use the gmail client but most of my email goes through non-gmail services. During the outage, the gmail client began failing to poll my non-gmail addresses. The effect was that gio appeared to have quit sending me email, although it was working fine. I was scratching my head because my gio email delivery log looked fine, but I wasn't receiving messages. After poking around, I discovered the problem and went to gmail settings to manually force gmail to read my non-gmail addresses. If members of your group are having issues, this could be one source.

I am rethinking my choice of email clients. I started using the gmail client to become familiar with it because I found myself helping a lot of people with gmail issues. Maybe it is time go back to Outlook or Thunderbird. Or something else.

Second comment: Google appears to be entering rough regulatory waters and I would not be surprised if their business model changes in the next few years, but I doubt that this outage is related. Reports say that an internal automatic storage allocation system failed and some of their systems ran out of space for 40 minutes or so. Yikes! That's the kind of scenario that nightmares are made from. At Google's scale, that could cause a lot of damage, some of which might be subtle and cause instability that lasts longer than you would expect. Therefore, I would keep an eye on Google services for a while.
Best, Marv

There is at least one posting -maybe more - that another moderator in our group can see in the list of recent postings, but I do not see.
I've refreshed my screen and searched for it by name of the original poster as well as some words from the body of the posting.

Bonnie Cureton is the name of the member. My co-moderator says she sees it as having been posted 12/10 and 12/16.
Any clues as to what might be going on??
thanks
Anita

I don’t know if this is the correct group for this but I was informed by another group owner, I haven’t gotten this from Mark yet.?

New premium pricing: additional 5? per member per month over 400 members?

I understand there are costs involved but it is frustrating to those of us who manage large numbers of enthusiast groups, we are not in it for the money, we don’t make any money from it, yet we must pay, pay, pay...

[Moderator notes:
1. This increase?does not apply to existing Premium groups, only those upgraded to Premium after January 18. To lock in the current price, upgrade now.
2. More details can be found at??. Please read that before commenting.
3. No one here in GMF is involved in setting GIO pricing policies. If you want you be heard by someone who can do something about it, take it to .?]

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