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Thanks so much!

 

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We have now successfully transferred our group of 14K members. Mark & co have been incredibly helpful & responsive. Much appreciation for a great customer service experience!

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The features, the ease, the fact that things¡­wow, I feel like I have been living in the darkness for the last few years ?

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Transferring from Yahoo to Group.io

Jan Winspear
 

I am sure the issues I am about to ask about have been dealt with before so I hope you won't mind my asking - I am seriously going to have to transfer to Group.io - I have been putting the decision off hoping that Yahoo will get their act together but it does not seem they are going to do so. I am very nervous about the change so could you reassure me that the transfer is possible given the problems with Yahoo - I would like the Database and Photos active in the new group and are the members transferred easily please? Currently on one of my groups Photos are not active - does this work with the transfer or not - I thought I saw one message on here to say it was not. Once the transfer is made does that close down the Yahoo group or is it still available and nothing has changed?

I hope you won't mind my asking - it is a big decision for me having been with Yahoo for some 16 years.

Best Wishes
Jan

Casmet Card and Craft Exchange

UKATC

UKATC Photos

STAMPERS UK

Tywyn-Dolgellau Reecycle
Re: Transferring a Yahoogroup without an active list owner.

 

if he does have moderator rights he can "strongly motivate" the members to migrate

create the the io group, invite everyone, then set the yahoo group to "all moderated" and start increasing the moderation time for each post more and more, while repeating the invitations ..

this should get a critical mass of the active posters to migrate

then you can announce a close down of the yahoo group

moral: always have two different people with owner rights in your group

servus

markus

Am 21.01.2018 um 01:04 schrieb Donald Hellen:

Ken . . .
On Sat, 20 Jan 2018 15:21:14 -0800, "Default" <ken@...>
wrote:

I do not have permission to make groups.io a moderator.

Is there a manual method where as moderator I perform the actions
necessary to move the group to groups.io?
I would rather have the groups.io moderator/member do all the work. But
I need a workaround...
If your moderator privileges will not allow you to promote a member to
moderator, you cannot move the group to IO that way. The transfer
agent acts like a member and without moderator privileges, it cannot
download everything for the transfer.
If you can post to the group, you could create an IO group then post
an invitation to the Yahoo group to join there. If the current Yahoo
group is not experiencing serious issues, like problems from a lack of
moderation, the other members may not want to move there. Some may
join the new group and stay with the old group.
If the group is a spam haven, chances are that the members have
already given up on the group and your invitation will not e noticed
except by a few.
You know the situation best, so you'll have to decide on how to
proceed. If you start from the ground up on IO and get some members to
move there with you, you can slowly build up the membership over time.
If you can contact the group owner, they may give you ownership
privileges or at least the privilege to promote others to moderator,
and that would give you what you need to use the transfer agent. You
mentioned that the person had some dispute with Yahoo groups, so they
might feel they can get revenge by letting you move the group, or
might choose to move the group himself.
Donald
The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who
speak it. --George Orwell
--
Email from my mobile connection.
Groups.io site updates #changelog

 

Hi all,

This change log for the last week:


Feel free to reply to this topic if you'd like to comment on the
changes. Or better yet, if you expect a lot of discussion start a new
topic (or rejoin an existing one) about a specific change.


* SYSADMIN: Completed reboots of all machines in Phase 1 of
Meltdown/Spectre patching.
Last I heard there is no indication that there have been attacks against web services based on these exploits, but still it is better to have Groups.io secured against them. And our own machines as well. That said, from what I understand these two represent a whole new class of "information leak" exploits; so we probably haven't heard the last of their ilk.


Comments about these others are also welcome:

CHANGE: Reformatted the calender event popups and added timezone.
INTERNAL: Began migration off using Redis as a work queue. s3server
now using new distributed nsqd system.
INTERNAL: Updated and added additional features to internal
dashboard.
INTERNAL: No longer using Redis to store LSN/Index versions for
esstreamer.
SYSADMIN: Upgraded Elasticsearch nodes to latest 5.6 version.
CHANGE: Removed 'Sincerely' from pending email reject message.
BUGFIX: Changing the non-date parts of a repeating event doesn't
result in deleting past events.
BUGFIX: Changing a repeating event after changing one instance of
the event doesn't result in the deletion of that modified instance.
CHANGE: Better error message when doing an accidental group reply
to a topic that's set to sender only replies.
SYSADMIN: Added an additional search node.
BUGFIX: The /removemember API call was crashing.

Please call out any you find significant.

Shal
Re: Transferring Attachments From YG #transfer

 

Shal,

Thanks for that tip about special link column. That works for me now.

Now I have to decide on putting links in Wiki or a database.

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Shal Farley
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 5:36 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] Transferring Attachments From YG #transfer

Don,

> 1. How come attachments from YG are not part of the transfer process?

I've wondered too. I assume it has something to do with how they are accessed at Yahoo, that Groups.io either couldn't or never figured out how to get them.

> I tired making a link in the database, but the link didn't > work for me.

When you create or edit a table there is a special "link" column type.
Columns of this type have a two-part entry: the URL itself and a text description.

That should work, did you use that or just a plain text column?

> What do transferred links look like in a database in Groups.io?

They appear as a table with a single custom column, named "Link" of type "Link".

I'm not sure what happens if the Links area in the Y!Group had folders, my groups didn't have that many links. Perhaps the folder names become another column.

Shal
Re: Linking Database to Calendar events #calendar

 

That worked great!
Thanks again, Duane.

Tiffany
Re: Transferring a Yahoogroup without an active list owner.

 

ken,

I have been moderating a fairly active YahooGroup of 1800 members for
the last 15 years.

I do not have permission to make groups.io a moderator.
Oops. That's a roadblock alright.

Groups.io needs moderator-level access to copy all the necessary information.

Is there a manual method where as moderator I perform the actions
necessary to move the group to groups.io?
Just as a fallback I'd suggest getting PG Offline and downloading your Y!Group's content that way.


I don't know of any path from there to getting the content into a Groups.io group, but I think the first step would be to have the content at all. That might be a suggestion for beta@, or a question for [email protected] - if you zipped up the content downloaded by PG Offline, could you pass that to Groups.io somehow and have them import that.

Shal
Re: question on sub group

 

Thank you Shal
I know it does but now I have to figure it out
I do appreciate your steps, I will share iit with the owner and some way
with your help we will make it work
sugar

"Heaven is full of answers to prayers for which no one ever bothered to ask.
:


Please support me in my journey to another opportunity of life at:


Bless you, Sugar Lopez

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Shal Farley
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 5:13 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] question on sub group

sugar,

> I am a mod for a group. The owner is having difficulty creating a sub >
group.
>
> Is it possible for me to create the sub group instead?

Yes, if you have the "Manage Subgroups" permission.

If you do you will see a button for Subgroups within the Admin expander in
the left margin. It is near the bottom, just above the Activity button.

That Subgroups page (not the ordinary one that members see) has the "Create
Subgroup" button near the top. Below that, a list of primary group members
with checkboxes for putting them into or out of subgroups.

> Then place her as the owner after?

As owner of the primary group she is implicitly owner of all subgroups.
So you don't have to do anything to place her there. Same for mods of the
primary group also.

> How would this affect the group if it does?

Astute question.

It sounds like this would be the group's first subgroup, and if so this will
make a one-time permanent change to the primary group's web and email
addresses. Fortunately the old addresses will continue to work, so there
shouldn't be much disruption, but members may notice and wonder about the
change.

In the Settings page for the primary group the "Group Email Address"
will now have two fields for you to set the primary group's email address,
one to the left of the @ sign (default "main") and one to the right of the @
sign (defaults to the primary group's name).

The field to the left of the @ sign is used to distinguish the various
subgroups and the primary group from one another. The primary group and all
of the subgroups will have the same name after the @ sign.

As a practical example, let's say I had a group named "MY-PTA" (there is no
such group, at the moment, it is just an example). It's address for posting
messages would be:

[email protected]

If I create a subgroup for the PTA board members, and name that subgroup
"board" then the subgroup's posting address would be:

[email protected]

and the primary group's address would have changed to:

[email protected]

However, say I don't like the word "main" there. So, because the primary
group is for all of my PTA's members, I change the primary group's name to
"members". Now I have:

[email protected] - sends to all PTA members [email protected] -
sends to the board members only.

I hope that makes sense.

Shal
Re: Transferring Attachments From YG #transfer

 

Don,

1. How come attachments from YG are not part of the transfer process?
I've wondered too. I assume it has something to do with how they are accessed at Yahoo, that Groups.io either couldn't or never figured out how to get them.

I tired making a link in the database, but the link didn't
work for me.
When you create or edit a table there is a special "link" column type. Columns of this type have a two-part entry: the URL itself and a text description.

That should work, did you use that or just a plain text column?

What do transferred links look like in a database in Groups.io?
They appear as a table with a single custom column, named "Link" of type "Link".

I'm not sure what happens if the Links area in the Y!Group had folders, my groups didn't have that many links. Perhaps the folder names become another column.

Shal
Re: Additional question to sub groups

 

Thanks.at least I got that right


"Heaven is full of answers to prayers for which no one ever bothered to ask.
:


Please support me in my journey to another opportunity of life at:


Bless you, Sugar Lopez

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Shal Farley
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 5:18 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] Additional question to sub groups

sugar,

> hi, sorry when in creating a sub group under "who can create sub >
group, there is a dialog box. By default it is set on subscribers.
>
> Should that be changed to owner or owners and moderators if desired?

That setting is for primary groups, and yes you should set that whichever
way makes sense for your group. I imagine most groups would want to limit
subgroup creation to moderators only.

Shal
Re: Additional question to sub groups

 

sugar,

hi, sorry when in creating a sub group under ¡°who can create sub
group, there is a dialog box. By default it is set on subscribers.

Should that be changed to owner or owners and moderators if desired?
That setting is for primary groups, and yes you should set that whichever way makes sense for your group. I imagine most groups would want to limit subgroup creation to moderators only.

Shal
Re: question on sub group

 
Edited

sugar,

I am a mod for a group. The owner is having difficulty creating a sub
group.

Is it possible for me to create the sub group instead?
Yes, if you have the "Manage Subgroups" permission.

If you do you will see a button for Subgroups within the Admin expander in the left margin. It is near the bottom, just above the Activity button.

That Subgroups page (not the ordinary one that members see) has the "Create Subgroup" button near the top. Below that, a list of primary group members with checkboxes for putting them into or out of subgroups.

Then place her as the owner after?
As owner of the primary group she is implicitly owner of all subgroups. So you don't have to do anything to place her there. Same for mods of the primary group also.

How would this affect the group if it does?
Astute question.

It sounds like this would be the group's first subgroup, and if so this will make a change to the primary group's web and email addresses. Fortunately the old addresses will continue to work, so there shouldn't be much disruption, but members may notice and wonder about the change.

In the Settings page for the primary group the "Group Email Address" will now have two fields for you to set the primary group's email address, one to the left of the @ sign (default "main") and one to the right of the @ sign (defaults to the primary group's name).

The field to the left of the @ sign is used to distinguish the various subgroups and the primary group from one another. The primary group and all of the subgroups will have the same name after the @ sign.

As a practical example, let's say I had a group named "MY-PTA" (there is no such group, at the moment, it is just an example). It's address for posting messages would be:

[email protected]

If I create a subgroup for the PTA board members, and name that subgroup "board" then the subgroup's posting address would be:

[email protected]

and the primary group's address would have changed to:

[email protected]

However, say I don't like the word "main" there. So, because the primary group is for all of my PTA's members, I change the primary group's name to "members". Now I have:

[email protected] - sends to all PTA members
[email protected] - sends to the board members only.

I hope that makes sense.

Shal
Re: Transferring a Yahoogroup without an active list owner.

 

Ken . . .

On Sat, 20 Jan 2018 15:21:14 -0800, "Default" <ken@...>
wrote:


I do not have permission to make groups.io a moderator.

Is there a manual method where as moderator I perform the actions
necessary to move the group to groups.io?
I would rather have the groups.io moderator/member do all the work. But
I need a workaround...
If your moderator privileges will not allow you to promote a member to
moderator, you cannot move the group to IO that way. The transfer
agent acts like a member and without moderator privileges, it cannot
download everything for the transfer.

If you can post to the group, you could create an IO group then post
an invitation to the Yahoo group to join there. If the current Yahoo
group is not experiencing serious issues, like problems from a lack of
moderation, the other members may not want to move there. Some may
join the new group and stay with the old group.

If the group is a spam haven, chances are that the members have
already given up on the group and your invitation will not e noticed
except by a few.

You know the situation best, so you'll have to decide on how to
proceed. If you start from the ground up on IO and get some members to
move there with you, you can slowly build up the membership over time.
If you can contact the group owner, they may give you ownership
privileges or at least the privilege to promote others to moderator,
and that would give you what you need to use the transfer agent. You
mentioned that the person had some dispute with Yahoo groups, so they
might feel they can get revenge by letting you move the group, or
might choose to move the group himself.

Donald

The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who
speak it. --George Orwell
Re: Linking Database to Calendar events #calendar

 

If you create the database first, you could include a link to it in the event description. I'm not sure if there are 'locks' in place in case two people try to add or edit at the same time though. It may not be a problem, but something you should be aware of. Maybe someone has tested that?

Duane
Re: Define Bounce

 

Nancy,

I remember being designated to approve posts in an old Yahoo group. I
discovered then if someone belonged to 2 groups and hadn¡¯t updated
their new email in both groups the ¡°other¡± group would bounce but
Yahoo considered only that they had bounced and I¡¯d have to contact
the person to find out what was happening.
That sort of thing can't happen in Groups.io, currently, because each subscribed email address is its own account - unlike Yahoo there's no way two manage more than one subscription address from a single account.

Shal
Linking Database to Calendar events #calendar

 

Is there a way to link a database to a specific calendar event. I'd like for people to be able to access the database from the event invite email and not have to search through a bunch of databases to find the one associated with the event.
Is that possible?

Thanks,

Tiffany
Transferring a Yahoogroup without an active list owner.

 

I have been moderating a fairly active YahooGroup of 1800 members for the last 15 years.
The list owner has not been active for the last 10 years (Dispute with YahooGroups).

I do not have permission to make groups.io a moderator.

Is there a manual method where as moderator I perform the actions necessary to move the group to groups.io?
I would rather have the groups.io moderator/member do all the work. But I need a workaround...

ken
ok I goofed up I think

 

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Ok friends

So I went to the group Walking By Faith(main group)

And I created or thought I created a sub group.

Turns out I created a new group called Walking In The Word)is suppose to be the sub group)

Frown

So I had to delete the group because it is not want I wanted.

Guess I don¡¯t know how to or where to go to create a sub group

I did find it after the new group was created but that is not what I wanted.

So I wrote toMark, or replied to the post that was sent to me saying that the new group was approved

I explained that Waling In The Word was suppose to have been the sub group to Walking by Faith and not a main group on it¡¯s own

Boo hoo

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Sugar

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'Those who contemplate the beauty of the earth find reserves of strength that will endure as long as life lasts.:

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Please support me in my journey to another opportunity of life at:

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Bless you, Sugar Lopez

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Re: member got deleted

 

I'm hypersensitive on this. I got wrapped around the axle with cautious corporate lawyers when some software I designed could be configured to send out surveys that a lawyer thought could be used as a commercial solicitation. Can't remember the outcome, but I lost sleep over it.
I'm not a lawyer, so my opinion doesn't count, but it is plausible to me that ignoring spam feedback could be construed as ignoring an opt-out request, which is prohibited by some laws, like Canada, Washington, and California. However, all the spam laws I've read only apply to commercial email, which I would imagine doesn't appear often on groups.io.

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Shal Farley
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 2:09 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] member got deleted

In another topic Marv wrote:

> I believe some states have anti-spam laws that require a site to quit > sending to a recipient when they are informed that the recipient has > flagged the email as spam.
/g/GroupManagersForum/message/3443

This has been discussed extensively on beta@ and Mark never mentioned anything about a legal requirement, so I doubt that's it. Search there for FBL or Feedback to find those threads. I think this was the first:


> I would guess that Y! is complying, but their > emails just aren¡¯t flagged as spam as often.

I think Yahoo Groups does not implement any Feedback Loops. That's because I've never heard of a Yahoo Groups member being removed for that reason, and because the mechanism itself, as I understand it, is a relatively recent development (newer than the end of Yahoo Groups development).

Shal
Transferring Attachments From YG #transfer

 

From reading all I can about transferring a YG to Groups.io, I don't understand two things about the process.

1. How come attachments from YG are not part of the transfer process?

2. I understand that Groups.io does not have a formal Links page, but links can be made in the Wiki section...Which I have done. I've read that links are part of the transfer process, and they are placed in a database. I tired making a link in the database, but the link didn't work for me. What do transferred links look like in a database in Groups.io?

Don
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