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> please spell out how I can share permissions with 2 other members.?

After logging into the group as the owner you click on the directory at the list that is available, and you change the member's permissions to Owner or Moderator.

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On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 07:47 PM, David M wrote:

Well, that is hardly friendly. Often I forget and the invitation goes out with no customised text and leaves people wondering what it is all about. :-(

As someone who has no need for multiple invite templates, I kinda agree.

I think it would be nice to add back the "active" checkbox for Member Notices of type Invite (and Direct Add). If one of them is thus marked, it would auto-populate without having to be selected, but could still be overridden by selecting something else.

I'll make a #suggestion to this effect in and see if it gets any traction.

Regards,
Bruce

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On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 07:46 PM, Ilana DeBare wrote:

Is there a way to require people to fill out the Display Name box in the process of joining a group? And specify that they should use their real first and last name as their Display Name?

There is no way for groups.io to determine by software whether the populated Display Name corresponds to anybody's real name, either by parsing incoming message headers or fact-checking what they enter in dialog boxes. For that reason what you're looking to achieve will always require some form of human intervention. Using the Restricted method of spam control and the Pending Subscription notice for screening purposes as Shal suggested is probably the best way to go. See?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/8155?for details.

All that said, I would really like a feature that freezes the Display Name once populated to keep folks from subsequently changing it.

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Bruce

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On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 12:42 PM, Christina Ferrigno wrote:

I have turned off moderation for our existing members. Moderation remains for new members, for two posts, and for any messages with an attachment. However, I am still seeing requests to approve messages.

Tina -- Check your activity log. It will tell you why they were moderated.

Regards,
Bruce?

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On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 06:56 AM, Steven Knowles wrote:

I too have recently come to the realisation that whilst users can be restricted from editing messages, users can delete posts. Which seems contradictory to some extent, ie. if a user is unable to edit a message, simply delete then re-post.

My understanding is that this capability directly relates to the "right to be forgotten" in the GDPR and others (). In that sense the ability to delete one's own messages is distinctly different from the ability to edit them.

Mark has enlisted the help of to ensure that groups.io meets the requirements of global privacy regulations.

I'm no expert on the legalities...

Neither am I.

...but it seems that a discussion thread within Groups.io can't be relied upon as an accurate and complete record of past discussion.

An unfortunate side effect; but from where I'm standing, better that than have groups.io get shut down for non-compliance.

Regards,
Bruce

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In my neighborhood group we send a pending subscription notice and require people to reply with their full name and address in order to be approved. If they don't put their full name in the Display Name field, I just copy it from their reply and paste it in there.

On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 07:01 AM, Chris Klemmer wrote:

I have not used the groups.io Poll feature, would that work for an election?

Maybe.? It depends on how strict your bylaws are.? Because of C-19, we're using polls (2 so far, officers election and a dues question) this year for our "business meeting".? We have members all over the continent and we're pretty informal, so this will work for us.

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A member of my group is asking:?Do any of you have a recommendation for inexpensive, or free, electronic elections of non profit officers and board members?

I have not used the groups.io Poll feature, would that work for an election?

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Is there some way to set my customised message to be the default for invitations?

Currently, you have to select it from the drop-down menu each time. The default is no custom text.

Well, that is hardly friendly. Often I forget and the invitation goes out with no customised text and leaves people wondering what it is all about. :-( Response rate is definitely lower than when there is a message.

Hi. I am setting up a private group for my synagogue, and we want to verify that all group members are also synagogue members. So it would be helpful if everyone who signs up lists their full name as their Display Name at the time of signing up. (So we can check it against our membership lists.)

Is there a way to require people to fill out the Display Name box in the process of joining a group? And specify that they should use their real first and last name as their Display Name?

Thanks,
Ilana

Thanks to you all for giving this problem such careful thought. I wonder if Shal's double fault theory might explain it - that is, a redirect rather than forward, followed by a Reply All rather than a Reply. I don't know what email application my forwarder uses, but if Shal is really able and willing to test the theory with his Eudora-using contact, it might shed some light on this. My "offending" replier definitely didn't click on the groups.io Reply to Sender link, but it's possible they clicked on their email program's Reply All button (though I can't imagine why).

Just to clarify (Bruce) - although the question I asked back in January probably looks similar, the circumstances were quite different. I'm probably not very good at describing these things. And also just to clarify: I don't "manage two groups with members in common all discussing the same topics". One group is more than enough. The "other" group I was referring to in January was not mine, and the overlap of members probably only amounts to 3-4.?

BarryS

I have turned off moderation for our existing members. Moderation remains for new members, for two posts, and for any messages with an attachment. However, I am still seeing requests to approve messages. It is not that the members have images in their signature, these message contain simple text.

Any known bugs out there?

Thanks,
Tina

Hi Don

Simply as some will post something in haste with either an error or post a comment they wished they hadn't made

I remember a particular post on a genealogical list where a man posted in haste saying he had to go as he thought his wife had found out about them , obviously to the wrong address ;-)

I can remember several more

So there are occasions when someone will want to retract a post

Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Why would a person post something knowing everyone is going to see the post only to delete that post later?

Don

From: Shal Farley <shals2nd@...>
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 08:18:09 CEST

The email application Eudora had a "Redirect" function. It was a
little bit like Forward, in that you provide a new destination
address, but the redirected message kept (nearly?) all of the other
header fields from the original message.

Is that the feature that some people call "bounce" ?

Its point seems to be that the person receiving it can click reply without it going to the redirector


groetjes/?is, Ronaldo

I too have recently come to the realisation that whilst users can be restricted from editing messages, users can delete posts. Which seems contradictory to some extent, ie. if a user is unable to edit a message, simply delete then re-post.

I'm no expert on the legalities, but it seems that a discussion thread within Groups.io can't be relied upon as an accurate and complete record of past discussion.

Ellen,

I would like the user to use groups.io which I have been promoting to
the group so to use there personal email to send would not be using
the platform

With Groups.io as it stands I think Erikag59 is right: you can only enforce web posting by moderation.

You can tell if a message in Pending or in the archive was posted by web or email: use View Source and look for a line in the header that says:

User-Agent: GROUPS.IO Web Poster

If that is not present then the posting was by email.

You aren't alone in wanting to restrict a group to web posting, a handful of people have suggested in the beta group that Groups.io should offer that ability.

Surprisingly (to me) the founder of the original GMF on YahooGroups wanted Yahoo to give him that ability. Back then the concern was that viruses and spammers were spoofing member addresses and getting their junk posted into his groups. That concern is a factor in the origin of GMF's 100% moderation policy (both GMFs, this one and the one on Yahoo Groups). A decade or more ago Email authentication techniques implemented at Yahoo Groups squashed almost all of the kinds of spoofing that had been causing that problem..

All that said, you are definitely swimming upstream in that desire. The founder describes Groups.io as "an email groups service". So I think it is unlikely that a web-only capability will ever be implemented.

/static/why

Shal


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On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 08:35 AM, Erikag59 wrote:

Put the member on moderation and reject their messages if they violate your rules -- if you can even tell. If you can't tell how they posted

You can tell how they posted if you view the source of the message.? It will show either "Web post" or an email address in the appropriate place in the source of the message.
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