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Thank you. this is comprehensive and exactly the guidance i needed.?

On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 10:21 AM, Mark Murphy wrote:

In the case of a single-owner group, could failure to use the reinstatement link result in a group without an owner?

The FBL mechanism, as implemented by groups.io, does not remove the sole remaining Owner of a group.?

In such a case there will be no notification sent and no reinstatement link.

Bruce?

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On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 09:45 AM, Bruce Bowman wrote:

If the person clicks the reinstatement link in the "removed for marking as spam" notification, they are restored with privileges unchanged.

I have not tested what happens if they rejoin the group instead.

Thank you, this is good to know.?

I am concerned that an owner could be removed from a group "automatically" by a third party service. Yes, an owner can click on the reinstatement link in the notification. But there are some issues with that too:

1. The removal notification email from groups.io is likely to be treated as spam by the mailbox provider who might silently discard it so the owner would never see it.
2. Even if the mailbox provider sends the notification email to a spam folder, the owner must periodically check the spam folder for messages like this within 7 days of "removal".

In the case of a single-owner group, could failure to use the reinstatement link result in a group without an owner?

Am I missing something?

On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 09:37 AM, Mark Murphy wrote:

Could someone please clarify what, if anything, changes about a?member's status as a moderator or owner of a group, when a group moderator or owner is "removed" due to spam??

If the person clicks the reinstatement link in the "removed for marking as spam" notification, they are restored with privileges unchanged.

I have not tested what happens if they rejoin the group instead.

Bruce

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On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 09:36 AM, Mdivine wrote:

If you delete older photos or attachments or the system deletes.....is the person who posted them notified?

Sometimes. See the Notifications section at?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Deleting%20attachments,%20files%20and%20photos?

Bruce

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Your account is no longer listed among the active subscriptions, you no longer receive emails, and you cannot access Photos, Files, or any other online content in that group. You may be able to read messages online, but only if the group's message archive is public.

Your name is retained in the member list only as a Past member, with a status of "spam left." Only after you click the link in the "resume subscription" link in the notification email are you moved back to the regular membership list.

Could someone please clarify what, if anything, changes about a?member's status as a moderator or owner of a group, when a group moderator or owner is "removed" due to spam??

Thank you.

If you delete older photos or ?attachments or the system deletes.....is the person who posted them notified?
mdivine

OK...that'll work.? I'll probably do that.? In the meanwhile I have been emailing a member now and then to tell me what he sees from his point of view.

Thx..

On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 08:20 AM, Steve wrote:

As the owner of a group, it seems I will always see all members in the directory.? Whereas group members can only see others if the correct permissions have been set.? Do I correctly understand that?

Specifically:

• the Directory must be enabled in settings (Privacy>Member Directory Visibility), and
• each group member must first create a profile of his own and share it.?

At that point that member will be able to browse the Directory for profiles of others who have done the same.

Is there a way for me to view the directory the same way a member would view it?? Meaning only to see the members who have set their permissions to do so?

The best way is to see the group as others do is to subscribe yourself to the group using a second email address; one that has only Member permissions. And of course, for the purpose of browsing the Directory you will also have to create a profile.

Having done so, you will subsequently have to keep track of which address you're logged in under so as to avoid getting confused. See?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Group-Content-Is-Missing

Hope this helps,
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On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 07:20 AM, Steve wrote:

Is there a way for me to view the directory the same way a member would view it?

The only way that I'm aware of is to create another account and make it a member of the group.? I do that on all groups I own anyway so I can be sure what a member will see vs an owner.

Duane
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As the owner of a group, it seems I will always see all members in the directory.? Whereas group members can only see others if the correct permissions have been set.? Do I correctly understand that?

Is there a way for me to view the directory the same way a member would view it?? Meaning only to see the members who have set their permissions to do so?

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On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 06:11 AM, bruce hyman wrote:

if I understand it correctly, when a group member replies to a message from GIO, that reply is queued for all members of the group, because the GIO group is the "sender" of the message. if a recipient wants to respond only to the OP, they must use the (blue) GIO reply to sender function. is there any optionality on this?

This is a typical scenario and it's not limited to Gmail.? In your given scenario, Carol can ignore the default reply and use the reply to sender link in the email footer. Another alternative we use is to have a #replytosender hashtag on the OP message (with the reply to sender option checked in the hashtag propteries) so that the default reply option in email clients sends a message to the OP rather than the group.? If you are the group owner (or a moderator with the right privileges) you can also change the topic to 'Override: reply to sender'.

Andy

On 2020-05-03 at 4:54:25 PM, Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:

My experience does not bear this out. It seems to me that the FBL
mechanism actually removes you...but only from that one group.

For the particular situation processing a FBL report from a group's
moderator or owner, it seems like a reasonable compromise would be to switch
their membership in that one group to "no email". This way, they stay a
member of the group but the spirit of the FBL remains in place--however
poorly the current implementations are working. (E.g., Groups.io doesn't
"get in trouble" with the providers for sending mail that isn't "wanted"
until the user opts in again.)

There's a hiccup if a group doesn't allow "no email": should the member be
switched to "announcements only"? Should they be removed like happens today?

Thoughts?

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if I understand it correctly, when a group member replies to a message from GIO, that reply is queued for all members of the group, because the GIO group is the "sender" of the message. if a recipient wants to respond only to the OP, they must use the (blue) GIO reply to sender function. is there any optionality on this?

(e.g., Joe posts: i need to borrow a ladder; this post goes to all 200 residents; Carol replies via gmail "i have a ladder", and all 200 residents get Carol's reply.? if Carol wants only Joe to know she has a ladder, Carol must ignore gmail's "reply" function, and seek GIO's reply to sender function.)

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 07:35 PM, Maureen wrote:

Am I missing something obvious?

No.? The Emailed Photos folder is only for attachments.? To do anything other than delete them would require you to download.? All other albums have the Move capability for individual photos, but not Copy.

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Rli,

I was getting kicked out with the spam message even though there were
no groups.io messages in my spam folder (thank you AOL).

AOL has been one of the most aggressive about this.

My understanding (and I've never used AOL so I'm not asserting certitude) is that the triggering event is when AOL deletes a message, based on an automatic deletion of "old" messages from the Spam folder. I don't know what time limit AOL might treat as "old".

So the question would be how sure you are that their hadn't been a groups.io message in your Spam folder, just before your removal. If you have been routinely checking your Spam folder then I don't know how to explain your experience. Other than "thank you AOL" ;-)

Shal


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