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Re: in reviewing the transfer instructions

 

ruthie,

we have been experiencing this phenomenon in our group for months,
across all email providers. the invites just never arrive, not in spam
either.
Yes, but groups.io is not your typical email provider. Again, no harm in trying it.

perhaps a Plan B is needed for transfers, if this is a more widespread
problem
I think an email to [email protected], including the name of your Yahoo Group, is about as good a plan B as could be.

Shal
Re: in reviewing the transfer instructions

 

we have been experiencing this phenomenon in our group for months, across all email providers. the invites just never arrive, not in spam either.

perhaps a Plan B is needed for transfers, if this is a more widespread problem

On Dec 12, 2017, at 9:16 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

ruthie,

# 3 happens...i hv been trying it today myself, n anticipation of the
big move to IO, with various email addresses & the invites never
arrive.
A number of things can happen between the invite page and the invitee's inbox. Most common is that the invitation gets diverted to the invitee's Spam folder. Sometimes the invitee's email service drops or rejects the invitation. I suppose it is possible that sometimes Yahoo Groups fails to send the invite, but I don't know how to get evidence of that.

I'd say try it (with [email protected]) anyway. If it fails no harm done and if it works it saves you and Mark some time working around it.

Shal
Re: in reviewing the transfer instructions

J_Catlady
 

If yahoo invite is really not working, I'm sure you could persuade Mark to apply to your group To make it easier, you could make your group unrestricted temporarily, until he joins. Just an idea.
J

On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 6:06 PM, Ruth Levi <ruthlevi@...> wrote:
i am able to promote members to moderator status(that feature was broken,
but now fixed, surprisingly)

# 3 happens...i hv been trying it today myself, n anticipation of the big
move to IO, with various email addresses & the invites never arrive. the
system shows them as having happened, but the invite emails never arrive.

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:GroupManagersForum@groups.io] On
Behalf Of Shal Farley
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:02 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] in reviewing the transfer instructions

ruthie,

?> i am not sure how i can accomplish the first step.i have not been able? >
to use the invite feature in my yahoogroup for months, so how can i? >
invite [email protected] to my old yahoogroup?

If you can't you can't. But perhaps you could write to [email protected] and
ask them to subscribe to your group. Assuming you can approve the transfer
agent (if needed) and promote to moderator.

I'm curious what happens when you try to invite someone.

1) Do you not even see the Manage Invitations item in the group's Management
menu (meaning that you haven't been granted that privilege)?

2) Do you get some kind of error message when you fill in the Invite page?

3) Does the invite page seem to work, but the invitees never seem to get the
invitation?

4) Something else?

If (3) I would suggest trying that for the transfer address anyway. Mark is
more savvy than the average user.

Shal
Re: in reviewing the transfer instructions

 

ruthie,

# 3 happens...i hv been trying it today myself, n anticipation of the
big move to IO, with various email addresses & the invites never
arrive.
A number of things can happen between the invite page and the invitee's inbox. Most common is that the invitation gets diverted to the invitee's Spam folder. Sometimes the invitee's email service drops or rejects the invitation. I suppose it is possible that sometimes Yahoo Groups fails to send the invite, but I don't know how to get evidence of that.

I'd say try it (with [email protected]) anyway. If it fails no harm done and if it works it saves you and Mark some time working around it.

Shal
Re: in reviewing the transfer instructions

 

i am able to promote members to moderator status(that feature was broken,
but now fixed, surprisingly)

# 3 happens...i hv been trying it today myself, n anticipation of the big
move to IO, with various email addresses & the invites never arrive. the
system shows them as having happened, but the invite emails never arrive.

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Shal Farley
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:02 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] in reviewing the transfer instructions

ruthie,

> i am not sure how i can accomplish the first step.i have not been able >
to use the invite feature in my yahoogroup for months, so how can i >
invite [email protected] to my old yahoogroup?

If you can't you can't. But perhaps you could write to [email protected] and
ask them to subscribe to your group. Assuming you can approve the transfer
agent (if needed) and promote to moderator.

I'm curious what happens when you try to invite someone.

1) Do you not even see the Manage Invitations item in the group's Management
menu (meaning that you haven't been granted that privilege)?

2) Do you get some kind of error message when you fill in the Invite page?

3) Does the invite page seem to work, but the invitees never seem to get the
invitation?

4) Something else?

If (3) I would suggest trying that for the transfer address anyway. Mark is
more savvy than the average user.

Shal
Re: using the invite feature

J_Catlady
 

This has nothing to do with moderation. It has to do with being a membership-restricted group or not. Once they're in, they will be moderated or not according to the group policy (unmoderated, moderated, or NuM).
J

On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 5:34 PM, Frances <frances@...> wrote:
Hi Ruthie
Well, I am no expert, but if it is an unmoderated group, I believe the first message of each new member is moderated. Perhaps you could intervene at that stage with your questionnaire rather than approving the message.
Or this could be automated in some way.
Just a thought.

Frances

[mod note: the first message is moderated only if the group has selected New Users Moderated.]


Re: using the invite feature

J_Catlady
 

No. Once you invite someone, they are pre-approved.?
But you can send the person a link to the group's home page and suggest that they apply for membership.
J

On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 5:12 PM, Ruth Levi <ruthlevi@...> wrote:

i like to invite new people to my group, but i need them to fill out the membership questionnaire first. it seems n IO, that once i invite someone, as long as they reply, even with a blank email, they automatically get added to the group. is there a way to keep an invited person in the pending status, until we approve their membership?

?

thanks,

?

ruthie levi

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Re: in reviewing the transfer instructions

 

ruthie,

i am not sure how i can accomplish the first step¡­i have not been able
to use the invite feature in my yahoogroup for months, so how can i
invite [email protected] to my old yahoogroup?
If you can't you can't. But perhaps you could write to [email protected] and ask them to subscribe to your group. Assuming you can approve the transfer agent (if needed) and promote to moderator.

I'm curious what happens when you try to invite someone.

1) Do you not even see the Manage Invitations item in the group's Management menu (meaning that you haven't been granted that privilege)?

2) Do you get some kind of error message when you fill in the Invite page?

3) Does the invite page seem to work, but the invitees never seem to get the invitation?

4) Something else?

If (3) I would suggest trying that for the transfer address anyway. Mark is more savvy than the average user.

Shal
Re: using the invite feature

 

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thanks, Shal & Frances. It is a moderated group. good suggestion, Shal. we just won¡¯t use the invite feature. will send a form email instead. much appreciated advice, folks! thanks!

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Frances
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 8:34 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] using the invite feature

?

Hi Ruthie
Well, I am no expert, but if it is an unmoderated group, I believe the first message of each new member is moderated. Perhaps you could intervene at that stage with your questionnaire rather than approving the message.
Or this could be automated in some way.
Just a thought.

Frances

[mod note: the first message is moderated only if the group has selected New Users Moderated.]

Re: using the invite feature

 

Ruthie,

it seems n IO, that once i invite someone, as long as they reply, even
with a blank email, they automatically get added to the group.
Correct. Just as in Yahoo Groups, an invitation constitutes approval of the member.

is there a way to keep an invited person in the pending status, until
we approve their membership?
Don't invite them. Instead send them an email with a mailto: link for the +subscribe command, and/or an http: link to the group's home page.

Shal
Re: when requesting to join my new IO group, via the subscribe email

 

Ruth,

a new member gets this initial email(below) & then my personalized
one. can this first one(text below) be deleted from my new subscriber
requests?
No, I don't believe you can.

This one is sent by the system regardless of your group settings. It serves as an email address confirmation. If the member does not reply to this mail I think they do not receive your group's welcome or pending message.

Shal
Re: using the invite feature

 

Hi Ruthie
Well, I am no expert, but if it is an unmoderated group, I believe the first message of each new member is moderated. Perhaps you could intervene at that stage with your questionnaire rather than approving the message.
Or this could be automated in some way.
Just a thought.

Frances

[mod note: the first message is moderated only if the group has selected New Users Moderated.]

in reviewing the transfer instructions

 

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i am not sure how i can accomplish the first step¡­i have not been able to use the invite feature in my yahoogroup for months, so how can i invite [email protected] to my old yahoogroup?

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i promise i will have less questions soon. just very particular about getting this right. thanks for indulging me.

?

ruthie levi

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using the invite feature

 

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i like to invite new people to my group, but i need them to fill out the membership questionnaire first. it seems n IO, that once i invite someone, as long as they reply, even with a blank email, they automatically get added to the group. is there a way to keep an invited person in the pending status, until we approve their membership?

?

thanks,

?

ruthie levi

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when requesting to join my new IO group, via the subscribe email

 

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a new member gets this initial email(below) & then my personalized one. can this first one(text below) be deleted from my new subscriber requests? it really serves no purpose. my own pending subscription notice has a questionnaire that i want all new members to fill out.? thanks!

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Thank you for your interest in Groups.io and the group [email protected]. To complete your subscription, please reply to this email.

If you did not request - or do not want - a subscription to this group, please accept our apologies and ignore this message.


Cheers,
The Groups.io Team¡±
Re: Why no List-Post: header?

 

I actually went and read the RFC, so need to amend my previous comment.? For anonymous groups, when/if added, it wouldn't be needed since it would duplicate the only option available, but shouldn't hurt anything.? On those type groups, messages via email would never contain the original posters email address.? If that possible future mechanism were an option that could be implemented in groups that discourage direct contact, it would solve both problems.

Duane
Re: New io group not activated

 

? Thanks Dave!?

? ? I think it will work out and most of the members are looking forward to the move!

poikaa? AKA Rod W8GRI
Re: New io group not activated

 

Moderators can be given status to change the moderator status of
others, obviously in your case whoever upgraded you to moderator did
not. It was the case with me and on request I was upgraded.

By the way our group transferred last Saturday in under 8 hours from
giving them the go ahead. Whether there is a backlog it doesn't seem to
be slowing things down.

Dave

On 12 Dec 2017 at 13:03, poikaa3 wrote:

I looked deeper into the Yahoo group for our SONY topic and I found the
membership of groups.io? I cannot up grade the status to moderator as I
do not have those privileges as I am not the owner..... I passed the
message to the owner of the Yahoo group and maybe something will happen
now.? I am one of two owners of the new io groups for the SONY
Re: New io group not activated

 

? ?I looked deeper into the Yahoo group for our SONY topic and I found the membership of groups.io? I cannot up grade the status to moderator as I do not have those privileges as I am not the owner..... I passed the message to the owner of the Yahoo group and maybe something will happen now.? I am one of two owners of the new io groups for the SONY

thanks for being the spin doctor!? Rod aka poikaa?
Re: Yahoo email address contortions

 

The other effect which is driving me nuts is that when I try to respond to a message on a YahooGroup, the person¡¯s name is attached to the list name. This may just be Apple Mail but when Carrie posts a subject, the response is addressed to

"Carolyn Kinney carriek@... [TVC-CHIP]" <TVC-CHIP@...>

Even when the message is to the list not to Carrie individually.

When a bunch of people are involved in the discussion, people think Carrie sent all the messages. The address will stay the same for the whole thread unless I delete it and put in only the name of the list. But every time I want to respond to the list this address will autofill and it¡¯s very hard to get rid of ¡ª delete and hit return and it come back. I have to clean my list of previous recipients on a regular basis.

Since I manage our community lists, the first time this started happening I was up half the night trying to find out why. It was confusing a hot issue and made it very unclear who was saying what and who was receiving messages individually and who from the list.

If you look at the address on this message it includes ¡°calendar¡±. That must have been saved from a message on calendars?

Sharon

On Dec 11, 2017, at 9:36 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

Drew,

Can someone please give me a quick refresh on why a Yahoo email
address such as "user@..." becomes "user@..." on
posted messages?
It's called DMARC.

It is a protocol whereby an email sending service can tell email receiving service to reject any message that doesn't come directly from the sending servers and is not an exact copy of one was sent from them.

Basically it is considered to be an anti-spoofing technology, but it has the side-effect of causing messages that go by way of mailing lists (such as Yahoo Groups or Groups.io or Mailman, or ...) to be rejected, or sent to spam.

Yahoo and a few other email services have that turned on. To help ensure that messages from the afflicted members (yes, I meant it that way) are actually delivered to other group members Groups.io mangles the From address, so that the message is now From groups.io, but still contains the sender's email address so that you can untangle it if you wish.

Yahoo Groups' response to the same problem is to mangle everyone's address, and much more grossly.


Shal
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