On 11/01/2020 03:45, Bruce Bowman wrote:

On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 09:13 PM, John Robertson wrote:

I have been lurking, but now have a question. Trying to move a
Yahoo group (Dneprheads) and when I did the big download as an
owner for the basic 1,000 list (doing the screen dump) a lot came
through as "(not disclosed)". I did get all the archived messages,
images, and data.

You have to be a Moderator of the group to get the email addresses.

Even as a moderator (even as a group owner) of the Yahoogroup, there can
be "(not disclosed)" members. I've seen it several times in member
lists that I download using the screen dump method, as a moderator.

Samuel

I'm a GIO-newbie having brought over a family history list from Rootsweb. I actually brought over two lists, one covered a geographical subset of the other so I created the subset as a subgroup. As I'm on the basic/free plan this change will affect me ...

Can someone please explain what 'grandfathering in' means? I have looked in the GMF wiki but maybe need to look further in the documentation.

I don't fully understand GIO yet but I will say that I like what I have seen :-)

Malcolm.?

Many thanks to Chris, Duane and Bruce for their very helpful posts, and apologies for the slow response. And I am embarrassed to say that, after examining our Activity Log (at Chris's suggestion) I can now see that I was mistaken. Although the non-member did in fact "Reply All" to the message that was copied to our group, his message WAS NOT in fact received by our members. Confusingly, the non-member also blind copied in a (non groups.io) list, of which many of our members are also subscribed. So to an untrained eye (like mine) it looked like his message had breached our wall, when in fact his inclusion of our groups.io list as a recipient would not have got through to us.?

I have also checked our Message Policies, on Bruce's suggestion, and indeed the first checkbox was already unchecked.

So, false alarm. Please accept my apologies.

Barry

Tony,

Yes, How to send messages to members as if coming from the Owner or
Moderators.

That part is easily done from the New Topic function.

As you've heard, what isn't so easy is to have replies go somewhere other than where your group's Reply To option says they should. You could suggest in beta that the New Topic page have a second checkbox "Replies to +owner" that you could use in conjunction with the Special Notice checkbox.

I need to learn and know how to send such messages to All Members,
eg All Mail, Digests, Special. and no Email .

There's an old saying in the Yahoo Group moderator circles: "No Email" means "No Email". For whatever reason that member does NOT want the group to send messages to their address. Not even the messages you think are so important.

In some cases this is because the member made a silly choice, such as using a work email address in a group with NSFW postings. Other times the reasons are more legit, but not imagined by the group owner.

So for this reason it has been made relatively difficult to get around No Email with a message to all members.

Assuming there are relatively few No Email members, one way to get around it is to send a Special Notice, and then separately send a message from your email service with all of the No Email addresses Bcc'd. Or as many of them at a time as you're allowed to include in a single message (about 200 last time I did this with Gmail). With some email services you can even set it up so that your post comes "From" the group's posting address (a legit spoof).

Or, the same thing, but using checkmarks on the No Email members in your group's Members list, and the Send Message action. If you sort the Members list by the Delivery column you can dramatically reduce the number of pages full of checkmarks this way. As I recall this may have the flaw that your own Display Name is sent in the From field, even when you select the +owner address. But you could temporarily change your Display Name before doing this.

To my mind it would be good to be able to set both No Email ON and
Special Notices ON.

The only difference between them is that members opting for Special Notices receive those New Topics that you so designate. So what would having them both on mean that would be different?

Hmm, that is interesting, and I don't understand; the Return Path goes
to a bounce facility ...

That's how Groups.io tracks rejected messages. That address is solely for the use of the rejecting service, it is not (normally) shown to the recipient (except in View Source or Show Original or equivalent) nor is it available as a user reply address.

And there is no Reply to:

Well that's interesting. I believe that means that the group's Reply To setting is "Sender". A setting that generally means that the Reply-To header field is not needed to direct replies back to the group (or whatever).

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John,

... a lot came through as "(not disclosed)".
Is there a way to get the real email addresses?

No there is not.

That indicates that those specific members chose the Hide your email and IP address feature. Their email addresses are never revealed, even to the Y!Group owners.

I've always been under the impression that that was a very uncommon feature for a group to enable. The Yahoo Group GMF is about the only group I've ever known to have that feature enabled.

Even tools like PG Offline and the Chrome application on YahooGroupedia cannot access the (not disclosed) addresses.

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Mark has announced some changes that will be going into effect soon, ? The big change is that Premium groups now have 20GB of storage (no change for Basic or Enterprise.)? The other is that Basic (free) groups created after next Wednesday, January 15, will not be able to create subgroups (existing Basic groups will be grandfathered in.)

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Annick,

However they are now landing in the spam folder there so she has to
contact them to ask how to mark them as "not spam" as she can't find a
way to do that there.

If Outlook (or whatever email program) is retrieving messages using the POP protocol, it can only download messages that land in the user's Inbox. Those that land is Spam or other folders must be accessed through the email service's webmail interface.

A way around that is to select the IMAP protocol. Depending on your email program it might be a little more complicated to set up initially, but it gives you access to any or all of the folders in your email service account, including Spam and Trash.

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Sherry,

1. A member has asked about replying when he is on summary mode...
" ... To ... reply to a topic click the subject." But then couldn't
see any obvious Reply button."

When you click on the Subject of an item in the Daily Summary that's a link that takes you to that Topic in the group's Messages section.

What does the member see?

If the member can see the messages but can't see the Reply link in the bar under each message that tells me two things: 1) your group's messages are public, and 2) the member is not logged in to Groups.io or is logged in with an address that is not subscribed to your group. Have the member look at the text at the very bottom of the Daily Summary. It will say "you are subscribed to ... via (his email address here)". The email address shown when logged in must match the subscribed address.
(screenshot here: /g/GroupManagersForum/message/27062 )

If the member sees your home page or something else, same answer: he is not logged in or is logged in with a non-subscribed email address; but your group does not show messages to non-members.

I note that some of my membership are showing as *Summary* and some as
*Summary [R]*

An R in a blue box means that the member has selected "Auto Follow Replies" in the Advanced Preferences section of his/her Subscription. That feature is intended for use with Individual or Digest delivery, I don't think it has any effect when used with Daily Summary.
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Status-Badges-in-the-Members-List

2. A member has reported regarding posting an image that "it only
seems to accept jpgs, as I found when I tried a bmp [no error message,
just nothing happens]" again I could find nothing about image types
that would be accepted and which (if any) would not.

As far as I know any type would be accepted, but it may depend on how the member posts the message (via his/her email interface, or via the group's interface) and how one views the resulting message.

I haven't tried BMP, but it (like TIFF) has a lot of variations and are sometimes very large files. I've used JPG (for images) and PNG (for screenshots and drawings); both are much more standardized and typically more compact.

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On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 01:06 AM, Tony Moody wrote:

I need to learn and know how to send such messages to All Members, eg All Mail, Digests,
Special. and no Email .

A Special Notice will be sent to all except the No Email.? That's the main reason for not allowing that setting.? Of course, you have to be judicious with your use of them or people will leave.

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Thanks Jim, and Frances.

Yes, How to send messages to members as if coming from the Owner or Moderators.
More or less official memos coming from on high as it were. (good luck with that I hear !)
I need to learn and know how to send such messages to All Members, eg All Mail, Digests,
Special. and no Email .
( Note: One of 'my' groups is now set to not allow No-email , those members have been set
to special Notices.) I'm not sure if this is a good idea.

To my mind it would be good to be able to set both No Email ON and Special Notices ON.

I think I have seen samples on various Groups.io/
[ for instance From: "[email protected] Group Moderators"
<[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Sharing_________eSecrets] Group Guidelines #guidelines ]

Hmm, that is interesting, and I don't understand; the Return Path goes to a bounce facility
And there is no Reply to:

OK,
Tony
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On 10 Jan 2020 at 6:05, Jim Wilson via Groups.Io wrote about :
Subject : Re: [GMF] How to send GroupOwner+ m

I had to check the variables with my test group. The result is that there is no simple method
to do this.

A Special Notice is from the Owner but the reply is to the group. The From line structure is:
[Group Name]@groups.io on behalf of [Owner or Moderator] via Groups.io <[Group
Name]+owner@...>

The only current way to do this would be to visit your Members page under Admin, scroll all
the way to the bottom so that all members show on the page (assuming you still have the
default Infinite Scroll in your preferences), then go back to the top, check the checkbox next
to Display Name and then choose Action -> Send Message.

That will definitely send the message to each individual with the From line showing:
[Group Name][email protected]

Even so, I'm not sure why you would choose to do this rather than simply posting to the
group. Depending on your member count, you would invite a potential onslaught of
messages that could last for weeks.

br
Jim

Mike,

I have yet to find a method of stopping the default message appearing;
a message that doesn't suit my needs.

As others have said, you can't.

But you can use a horizontal line at the top and bottom of your custom insert so as to clearly separate it from the boilerplate.
/g/GroupManagersForum/message/27136

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That is too easy! We have about 1200 members so should have no trouble following your instruction.

On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 08:44 PM, Mark Levy wrote:

But somewhere along the line, I apparently managed to erase my group ownership so I can't delete or rename the group.

The last owner can't be deleted or leave.? There's either another owner or you used a different email address to create the account you used to create the group.? If it were me, I'd log out of the site, then try entering various email addresses I have in the "Email me a link to login" page to see if one of them works, /sendloginlink

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John,

As owner or moderator over at YG, when you see the member listing, yes there are a random mix of the not-disclosed people with no email.? Thank Yahoo for the Geocities merge on that one.

How to get another 1,000 members?? Simple, click on the first or last name column.? It will the sort to that click.? Now do another download of the membership. :) :) :)

Now you can take all of these lists and do a sort for duplicates in EXCEL.? When done, you could have a good listing to do INVITES here from GroupsIO.
?
So, pick the columns you can sort by before downloading in YG.

BMaverick

I left out -- in ADMIN (if found) go to Settings next.

Rick

Go to the following link:
/g/paxboard
See if there is an ADMIN section in the left side listings.
Click on it and scroll to bottom. Look at right side.
If not -- are there any other Owners/Co-Owners you could contact?

Rick

Bryan,

In our case, I'm considering creation of a subgroup that is
restricted to moderators/owners, and private, for them to have a
private place to discuss, share knowledge, training, etc.

I think that's a fine idea, with just one caveat: you end up with the subdomain addressing scheme.
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Why-use-a-Subgroup#Subdomain-addressing

If you have, or are planning to have, other subgroups then you'll have that anyway, so one more subgroup is fine. Otherwise you might care because:

1) Having that addressing scheme will tip off the members to the fact that there is at least one subgroup, even if that subgroup's privacy settings prevent them from even learning its name.

2) Some people think the subdomain addressing scheme "looks funny" or is otherwise undesirable.

Essentially, modeled after this very Group Managers Forum... just for
our group, only.

Two of my Yahoo Groups have a separate group for the moderators, most do not. Sometimes it was convenient when there were things to discuss, but largely they went unused. I didn't make a subgroup for the mods of this GMF largely because the Yahoo GMF ran without a separate moderators' group and I don't think we ever missed having one.

One of my Yahoo groups that moved here years ago had a separate moderators group, and I'm quite happy having that as a subgroup now. But that group has other subgroups that the primary members can see and join.

So I think it is very much a "Your Mileage May Vary" situation. It will depend a lot on the culture, activity, and size of your group; as well as of your moderating team. GMF is a very open group, so we don't need to have private discussions about whether someone should be admitted to the group and other matters of member management. My Yahoo Groups that had mod team groups were restrictive in their membership.

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I have Comcast email, and I believe that I'm getting all of my messages from all of my groups.? I do NOT use MS Outlook, so maybe that is the problem (both together).? I usually use Chrome, but I'm out of town and my laptop uses Firefox (my phone uses Chrome, too).?

Cheryl

Hi all,

This week's change log:



Feel free to reply to this topic if you'd like to comment on the
changes. Or better yet, if you expect a lot of discussion start a new
topic (or rejoin an existing one) about a specific change.

CHANGE: Modified message import code to support mbox files from Yahoo
Group's export system.

Yay! That will help many who've received their GetMyData files and have been wondering how to import the messages. I'm assuming that the pre-paid upgrade of the target group to the Premium Yearly plan is required for this too.

BUGFIX: When changing your email address, we were sending the warning
email to the new email address when we should have been sending it
to the old email address.

That could explain some of the confusion people have reported in GMF...

NEW: Added additional information to the Sent message requiring
approval activity log line, specifying exactly why a message was
moderated. This duplicated the Message from member required approval
because of virus line, which I have removed.

Excellent. I recall we had some in GMF who were puzzled by why some messages were held pending. This could help resolve cases like that in the future.

NEW: Added 'Deleted Account' activity log entry for when people delete
their accounts.

Another good one for resolving mysteries.

CHANGE: Changed Zendesk to send back an acknowledgement when a support
email is received.

Is that a change, or a bugfix, I wonder. It used to send acknowledgements. The last one I kept was back on October 13.

NEW: Special messages are now sent with the subject tag [Special].

Helpful in those groups that use the feature.


Comments about these others are also welcome:

BUGFIX: When a poll was created and moderated, if a group moderator
edited the poll before approving it, the poll ownership was
mistakenly changed to the moderator.
CHANGE: All premium groups now have 20GB of storage.
CHANGE: The 'Note Sent To Attendees' email sent to people reply yes to
an event, as well as the email notifying someone they have been
moved from the waitlist to the attending list, were sent from the
+owner email address. They are now sent as coming from the creator
of the event.
INTERNAL: Wrote a new utility to do some consistency checking and
cleanups of the various databases.
API: We are now ratelimiting the /downloadarchives endpoint because of
abuse.
INTERNAL: Developed a new system to make it easier to grep through all
the various logs to research problems in the system.
INTERNAL: Switched from a redis-based rate limiting system to a custom
system.
INTERNAL: Switched from a redis-based session tracking system to a
custom system.
CHANGE: Display the updated date in the 'Uploaded' column in the files
section.
CHANGE: Previously, when a group had separate footers checked, we
would not try to strip out any remnant footers from incoming
replies. Because some mailers combine multiple text parts when
replying, we still need to look for these footers in replies,
otherwise unsubscribe links could be inadvertently sent out.
BUGFIX: For some reason, a few people started receiving duplicate
summaries the last couple of days. I refactored the code that
generates the summaries and that fixed the problem even though that
code hadn't been touched in months.
NEW: Added new Event Summary Email interval: Bi-Weekly on Fridays.
BUGFIX: For enterprise groups without a custom home page, setting
disable sign up to true would result in an endless redirect.
API: Added /updatewikipage, /deletewikipage and /deletewikirevision
endpoints.
BUGFIX: For people on special messages only, the message footers
wrongly said You receive all messages sent to this group.
API: Changed moderated to moderation in the Group object.
SYSADMIN: Upgraded hot spare database instance to have the same
resources as our main database.
BUGFIX: Fixed line breaks in the index in the plain text digest.
API: Added plan field to group object.
API: Added nice_group_name, cover_photo_url, icon_url, subs_count,
most_recent_message fields to the member_info object.
API: Changed the sort options for the /getsubs endpoint and added the
set_home_page parameter.
API: First pass at /getdatabaserows endpoint.
API: Added is_reply field to Message object.
INTERNAL: Lots of technical debt formatting issues cleaned up.
API: Added /getdatabases endpoint.
INTERNAL: Split smtpauthd from smtpd server to make things more clear.

Please call out any you find significant.

Shal


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See the wiki page on moving to Groups.io.

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