MTA (mail transfer agent) is the technical name for an email program, for example, Eudora or Thunderbird. Outlook is an MTA but some people would argue that it doesn't meet the definition of a "good MTA" as mentioned by J Erskine, primarily because of its divergence from standards. The web-based services (AOL. Yahoo, Gmail, Hotmail/Live/Outlook) also qualify as MTAs.

One piece of the discussion here revolves around the fact that the user who is using his MTA may have up to four options:

1. Reply to group (placed in the footer by Groups.io)
2. Reply to sender (private message, placed in the footer by Groups.io)
3. Reply (an option in the mailer, usually treated as Reply to Sender, and generally quotes the current message)
4. Reply All (an option in the mailer, usually sending to everyone in the To: and Cc: fields, and generally quotes the current message)

Confusion exists for the novice user who responds via email, using the MTA he's familiar with. Suppose he wants to send a private message to the sender. In Yahoo, the display name appears to be the sending individual, although the actual email address is that of the group. So the user selects his customary option (3), the MTA's Reply, and sends to the group instead of the individual--with quoted text which is frowned upon in some groups.

Now suppose the user wants to reply to the entire group. He may select his customary option (4), the MTA's Reply All. Since there are no Cc:s in a Yahoo group message, it has exactly the same function as option (3) and replies to the entire group. This time it's what the user desired--but again with quoted text.

I never even attempted to train the users of our Yahoo group. I'm not sure it would have worked.

Larry

On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 03:11 PM, David Stodolsky wrote:

I discovered that an update to the text on the home page of the group was not reflected in the Invite Message.

Nothing in the home page Description field is mirrored in the invitation.?

Click on Admin>Settings, followed by the Member Notices button at the top of the resulting page. Create a member notice of type Invite and save. See also?/static/help#membernotices?and?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Member-Notices

To be of further assistance you will have to tell us exactly what you updated and what your expectations were with respect to how that would appear in an invitation.

Regards,
Bruce

On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 10:27 AM, Laurence Marks wrote:

Beta test continues. Each version I've seen is better than the previous one.

And yet, 23 hours earlier...

On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 11:20 AM, Wilson Logan wrote:

I have just finished loading a 3878 message group without incident and that concludes the beta test phase for PGO-2-GIO.

These are, of course, mutually inconsistent; and I guess we can assume a last-minute glitch was discovered.?

Bruce

I discovered that an update to the text on the home page of the group was not reflected in the Invite Message.
Is there some 'refresh' command?

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On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 01:46 PM, David Grimm wrote:

Nothing has changed since I received both messages yesterday about a different member. And I have received other posts to the group, so I definitely am still receiving 'All posts as individual emails.' Any ideas? It ain't earth-shattering, but it has me curious.

David -- Go to?/account?page=bounces?and see if it got bounced. Or just sit tight, and it might show up eventually. Comcast is notorious for throttling/delaying messages for no apparent reason.

Bruce

On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 12:46 PM, David Grimm wrote:

I definitely am still receiving 'All posts as individual emails.' Any ideas?

Have you checked your own email delivery history?? Some email providers have a (bad) habit of limiting delivery at random times.

Duane
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Update: New member was approved at 12:36.
New member message time-stamped 13:12:55
Message received via Comcast 13:47

Still curious why it took so long just to send out the message. I understand that the second delay is on Comcast.

Dave

On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 07:08 PM, <andyt650@...> wrote:

When I am done with the Perl script, will the original time stamp and posting
number and order be preserved?

Posting number is not preserved. Order is (within the import).

Original time stamp by default is inserted into beginning of message body. There is no way (without Mark's intervention) to make imported messages to appear at original time, except you can ask Mark to import messages.zip for $220 per group.

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I'm owner of a group. This morning, I received a 'Membership approval needed' message. When I went to approve it, it had already been approved by a moderator. An hour later, I still haven't received a 'New Member joined your group' message. Nothing has changed since I received both messages yesterday about a different member. And I have received other posts to the group, so I definitely am still receiving 'All posts as individual emails.' Any ideas? It ain't earth-shattering, but it has me curious.

Dave

On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 01:23 PM, Duane wrote:

For those that don't want to go look, he said about 3300 groups used the Easy Transfer.? I missed it by over 50%.

Assuming this tally includes groups that are now subgroups (which are not listed in the groups.io directory), even this is hard to gauge.?In any event, it's a lot. There could be another influx in two days and it's unlikely, but possible, that we've only seen the tip of the iceberg.

Bruce

Well, Mark replied on the beta group, ? For those that don't want to go look, he said about 3300 groups used the Easy Transfer.? I missed it by over 50%.

Duane
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On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 04:34 PM, Janie wrote:

As far as a moderator opening and closing the group for the break, I'll look for "Modify Group Settings" permission for that moderator to be able to open and close. I appreciate that tip.?

It seems reasonable to conclude that you and your moderators are still very much feeling your way around Groups.io. On that basis can I suggest that you have a look at the various permissions that you have set up and check that you have not given any moderator the Set Moderator Privileges Permission. It may sound innocent enough but with that permission a moderator can promote themselves to "Owner" and revert you to being an ordinary member or even ban you.

I am not saying that any of your moderators might be minded to take any such action but with everyone still unfamiliar with Groups.io's workings it's the sort of thing that could happen almost by accident with the perpetrator not realising they had done it and thus not being able to put things right again.

Were it to happen, getting normality restored would be tricky, and it's "better to be safe than sorry"...

Chris

Hi Lena,

When I am done with the Perl script, will the original time stamp and posting number and order be preserved?

Thanks,

Andy

As far as my moderator who approves members not getting the owner emails to see answered questions....SUCCESS! Something changed as of yesterday. She is now suddenly getting the owner emails to see who answered the questions. ?Maybe there was a bug that is now fixed.?

So when it's time for the two-day moderator break coming up this weekend, and the need to turn off member posts,?we'll do the Announcement Only setting, but pay attention to the bottom of the page and Updating the page. I appreciate?

As far as a moderator opening and closing the group for the break, I'll look for "Modify Group Settings" permission for that moderator to be able to open and close. I appreciate that tip.?

?

On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 02:30 PM, JD Erskine wrote:

I favour use of REPLY LIST in a (good) MTA (from 1996 to now)

What's an MTA?

and REPLY (to Sender/Originator.) The non-munged approach.
Just what is expected to happen when one sets it to REPLY GROUP AND SENDER?

What I see on most io-groups is that when I click the "reply"- button, I see a box to compose a message in, and below it I see a green button on the left saying "Reply to Group" and a grey one to the right saying "Private".

I know that when the list-owner wants to, (s) he can disable either or both. I'm just not in any groups where that makes sense

groetjes, Ronaldo

Gary,
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I would agree with much of the written info in the article.? There are indeed other possible paths Y! could have taken, like farming out the resources to India or elsewhere to keep the YG platform going for years on end.? But at the end of the day Verizon has the final say.? This isn't the first nor second time Verizon acquired a tech company and closed down the messaging or group forums.? It's a Verizon business model to close discussion groups to the point of smart phone apps being the norm between individuals becomes the main stay.? It sells more phones and interaction for phone plans and data limit charges.? The more folks move away from the computer based internet to smarty phones, the more revenue (aka nickle, dime and dollar the consumer to death).? Desktops, laptops and smart tablets are a threat to the Verizon business model.? To close down these discussion groups is a way to have more phones in the loop instead.
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Verizon also killed AOL messenger last year as well.? It's better to sell devices and retain very little for server storage.? Also, the less data storage a company has, the less legal issues to deal with.?
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GIO is a fresh air event for most of us YG folks.?? From the Prodigy (Sears+AOL) to GeoCities to YG to GIO, our legacy discussions have moved forward with present input as well.
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BMaverick

On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 09:58 AM, Talmadge C 'TC' Carr wrote:

How does one obtain this wonderful stuff:)

Wondering that myself. I looked all over the Personal Groupware web site and could find no download link.

Until that changes it's still just a rumor.

Bruce