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Re: YG Transfer numbers

 

On 12/8/2019 6:33 PM, Duane wrote:
On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 05:21 PM, Bill Burns wrote:
That would suggest that the number of groups hosted here had also
doubled (approximately) in that period.
I would interpret that to mean the number of members had doubled, not the number of groups.? That would jibe with the figures I mentioned for site members.
Duane
I would too, but on the assumption that with so many thousands of groups, the average number of members per group is statistically similar between the existing and new cohorts, I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that the number of groups is also about double.

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Re: restricted ability to set transfer.io to moderator.

 

Jim . . .

On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 16:36:13 -0800, "Shal Farley" <shals2nd@...>
wrote:


Take the advice to capture your group's content via PG Offline and via
getmydata - while you still can. Yahoo has issued the final call for
data downloads:
To repeat what Shal said earlier, we are not groups,io, we are a
self-help group. If you need customer support you need to contact
them.

About PG Offline. Assuming that you're too late to get your group
messages transferred, if you want to move your Y!G messages, you can
purchase PG Offline to download all the messages from all of your
groups. For the one you want to transfer, you will then need to
purchase PGO-2-GIO, which is in development but is looking pretty good
(I'm beta testing it) but has some work that needs to be done yet.

The latter program will use what you've downloaded in PG Offline and
upload it slowly to your GIO group. If you haven't opened the group to
others yet, you can upload them into the main group. If there are
members already, you would need to create a subgroup and upload them
there.

Both progams can also work with files and photos. Be aware that if
your GIO group is not a premium one, you are limited to 1 GB total for
photos and files. I had to delete some stuff in one ham radio group to
fit it on GIO after downloading it from the Y!G. PGO-2-GIO can't get
around that limitation magically. If your GIO group is a premium one,
you're limited to 10 GB, I believe.

Don't wait for PGO-2-GIO to be finished before Dec 14 to purchase both
together (though it may be ready before then). You need PG Offline NOW
to get your group's content NOW. You can upload the content PG Offline
archived for you anytime since you will have already downloaded it
before Dec 14.

Keep that date in mind, and don't assume Yahoo won't have some
problems before then that might get in the way of downloading content.
If you wait until the last minute, Yahoo may be overloaded and ruin
your attempt to get the group content archived.

In other words, get started now unless you find that GIO support will
take care of moving your group, but find that out ASAP and don't drop
the ball. If they can't help you but you paid for premium to get the
transfer, ask for a refund. I believe Mark is giving refunds to those
who are affected.

I hope this is helpful. The trial version of PG Offline is limited to
1,000 files, photos, or messages. It's just to show that it works, not
to allow you to do everything for free. PG Offline is $24.95.
PGO-2-GIO will cost more than that, and there is a fee based on how
many total messages that you will be transferring to GIO. But it will
end up costing you a lot less than the $220 per group that GIO was
offering until they cut off transfers.

To download the program or learn more, see these web pages:





I suggest viewing the video demo at the bottom of the page at the
second link.

Donald


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Re: Forwarded attachments not coming through on Digest?

Gerald Boutin
 

On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 08:39 PM, Dr. Denver Fox wrote:
On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 02:11 PM, Chris Jones wrote:
And what is your Attachments setting in Settings? (Allow / Bounce / Strip / Moderate)
Chris and others - Tx for the response.? I am unable to find this in my settings, either for the group, recipients or myself??? The only attachment setting I find is size, which I have set as unlimited.


If you missed it, you can find it in Admin / Settings.?You can scroll to find it or just do a Control+F in your browser and ask it to Search for "Attachment".

If you don't have "Admin" in your menu choices, then you are not logged in with a Moderator/Owner email account.
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Re: Forwarded attachments not coming through on Digest?

Dr. Denver Fox
 

I just found it and it is set to "allow" - just checked with recipient by phone, and they are not getting attachments, although I did in my monitoring Digest email address.
Re: Forwarded attachments not coming through on Digest?

Dr. Denver Fox
 

On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 02:11 PM, Chris Jones wrote:
And what is your Attachments setting in Settings? (Allow / Bounce / Strip / Moderate)
Chris and others - Tx for the response.? I am unable to find this in my settings, either for the group, recipients or myself??? The only attachment setting I find is size, which I have set as unlimited.

And what is your Attachments setting in ??Settings? (Allow / Bounce / Strip / Moderate)??
Re: PG Offline

 

I've used both. Both worked to get past the Y!G limit of 1000.

Further, the Chrome application works in Vivaldi browser! (Chromium based.)

The only thing a wee bit different is the Applications don't show as a button, so one enters
vivaldi://apps
in the address bar and the available applications show in a web page.

_Unlike_ the description one receives an output (from Save) in comma delimited format. Works fine.

Cheers, John

J.D. Erskine
Victoria, BC


On Sunday, December 8, 2019, 12:33:57 AM PST, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:


John,

> But will it exprt more than the 1000 member limit imposed by Yahoo?

Yes, it will get them all.

As will the chrome app:


Shal


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Re: "Can post" and what does it mean? plus other stuff

b&p
 

I may have mentioned this elsewhere, but since we're on this topic, I am having issues with Gmail moving whitelisted senders automatically to my "spam" folder - not every message from every sender, but too many for comfort. Many are from commercial companies to whose lists I have subscribed but some are personal correspondence. Does anyone have any idea why Gmail would be doing?this? It started only recently, within the last couple of months, but it is getting quite irritating.

And no, I never delete directly from "spam"; I move it to the inbox and do it there.

Thanks for any help anyone can offer!

Paul (b&p)

On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 7:13 PM Donald Hellen <donhellen@...> wrote:
Sharon . . .

On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 23:00:51 +0000 (UTC), "Sharon Pohlman via
Groups.Io" <ceegee2006=[email protected]> wrote:

>What I am not liking is when IO determines that something is spam so they remove the post AND the member. I donot think that is right. its my group let me decide if it is spaqm and if the member should be removed.

GIO doesn't remove a member for sending SPAM to the group. That is up
to the moderators to determine.

Now if the member deletes a message from GIO and it's in their spam
folder, they mark it as SPAM, or their email provider marks it as SPAM
and it's left in the spam folder long enough that the email provider
automatically deletes it, then GIO will unsubscribe them.

This arrangement had to be agreed upon by forum platforms like GIO to
reduce unwanted messages for the email users (members). I believe this
is part of the DMARC specification for the web to help reduce spam. At
any rate, if GIO did not implement this, they would be blacklisted by
some email providers. This is supposed to be for our protection but it
only works well if people are aware of how it works and to NOT mark
messages as spam that aren't, check their spam folders, don't delete a
message in the spam folder that isn't spam, etc.

It's up to the members to treat GIO messages as messages and not SPAM,
and for moderators/owners to train and educate their members about
this. If the members don't read your messages about this (you do send
out a message now and then about this, don't you?), then they will end
up being kicked off the group.

Some of our groups have a monthly reminder sent out about this so new
members will see this soon after they join. I might make it a message
they will get when joining, too, but we haven't had many members make
that mistake and get kicked out. Most of those who have immediately
rejoin, and hopefully they actually read the email they get after
being removed.

Do I like the way this works? Not at all. But we're stuck with it
since email providers have demanded it and we wouldn't be getting
messages from forum platforms without the platforms agreeing to do
this.

Donald


----------------------------------------------------
Join the Icom group, a general Icom (amateur radio) discussion
group on Groups.io and some other groups:
/g/ICOM
/g/Ham-Antennas
/g/HamRadioHelp
----------------------------------
**also, a new self-help group dedicated to your cat's health:
/g/CatVet (just launched)
**and a group to discuss sourdough bread baking:
Re: "Can post" and what does it mean? plus other stuff

b&p
 

I sent an admin note to my group. No reported problems to date, which makes me very happy, but it's good to have the link.

Paul (b&p)

On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 6:58 PM T Golding <tgolding11@...> wrote:

Sharon, why not do an admin post to the group explaining GIO's spam policy?? That way, members will know that you're not removing them, that under certain conditions, posts get marked as spam by email providers, and GIO removes that member.? there's a rejoin button right there for them to get back on the list.
It will also let members know not to ever mark a gio post as spam.? You can include the link in your post that Duane just posted.??

If your group is restricted, you can set the group to no mod and solve the problem of removing each member from mod.

Terri

Re: restricted ability to set transfer.io to moderator.

 

Jim,

You don't seem to be hearing us when we tell you that GMF is a user-to-user community - no Groups.io employees here.

At this point you are so far behind the 8-ball that your only hope of resolving your situation is to explain it to [email protected] and ask them for help. It may be that the only help they can give you at this point is to refund your payment.

Meanwhile:

Take the advice to capture your group's content via PG Offline and via getmydata - while you still can. Yahoo has issued the final call for data downloads:


Shal


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Re: "Can post" and what does it mean? plus other stuff

 

Sharon . . .

On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 23:33:29 +0000 (UTC), "Sharon Pohlman via
Groups.Io" <ceegee2006@...> wrote:

those I do that to have never caused me any problems
I think there's a choice to set them to "use group settings" which is
essentially unmoderated unless you see a flame war and put the entire
group on moderated status until things have calmed down.

That setting puts them into the state of having been through the 1,2,3
or more moderated messages you require in your group to allow them to
be under group settings instead of moderated.

We use the 1 approved post to get them to the use group settings
point. We haven't had spam by doing this, but a member's email account
COULD be hacked. The chances of that happening are the same whether
they have to get through 1 or 5 moderated posts first, and could
happen after they've made 1,000 posts, so we found the "1" setting to
work just fine. It also minimizes work for the moderators.

If you do that, from the members' perspective, they will probably
never see their messages moderated. In the rare event that you do put
the whole group on moderated status, only then would these members be
moderated and only until you put the group back to it's original
setting.

Donald


----------------------------------------------------
Join the Icom group, a general Icom (amateur radio) discussion
group on Groups.io and some other groups:
/g/ICOM
/g/Ham-Antennas
/g/HamRadioHelp
----------------------------------
**also, a new self-help group dedicated to your cat's health:
/g/CatVet (just launched)
**and a group to discuss sourdough bread baking:
Re: Did all messages migrate from Yahoo? #migration #messages #yahoo

 

Gerald,

To summarize, it used to show deletions and probably still does for
old emails. It did not for a message deleted today.
It might, for some groups, I don't know.

As I said:
Note that Y!Groups activity logs are not 100% reliable: in some of my
groups some of the tabs stopped updating months or years ago, so you
may not get a complete list of deleted messages, particularly if the
deletion was recent.
Among my Y!Groups the "stopped updating" date appears to be different for different Activity tabs and also different for the same tab in different groups. Some Activity tabs in some groups are still updating. So the best I can say is "Your mileage may vary".

Shal


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Re: "Can post" and what does it mean? plus other stuff

 

Sharon . . .

On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 23:00:51 +0000 (UTC), "Sharon Pohlman via
Groups.Io" <ceegee2006@...> wrote:

What I am not liking is when IO determines that something is spam so they remove the post AND the member. I donot think that is right. its my group let me decide if it is spaqm and if the member should be removed.
GIO doesn't remove a member for sending SPAM to the group. That is up
to the moderators to determine.

Now if the member deletes a message from GIO and it's in their spam
folder, they mark it as SPAM, or their email provider marks it as SPAM
and it's left in the spam folder long enough that the email provider
automatically deletes it, then GIO will unsubscribe them.

This arrangement had to be agreed upon by forum platforms like GIO to
reduce unwanted messages for the email users (members). I believe this
is part of the DMARC specification for the web to help reduce spam. At
any rate, if GIO did not implement this, they would be blacklisted by
some email providers. This is supposed to be for our protection but it
only works well if people are aware of how it works and to NOT mark
messages as spam that aren't, check their spam folders, don't delete a
message in the spam folder that isn't spam, etc.

It's up to the members to treat GIO messages as messages and not SPAM,
and for moderators/owners to train and educate their members about
this. If the members don't read your messages about this (you do send
out a message now and then about this, don't you?), then they will end
up being kicked off the group.

Some of our groups have a monthly reminder sent out about this so new
members will see this soon after they join. I might make it a message
they will get when joining, too, but we haven't had many members make
that mistake and get kicked out. Most of those who have immediately
rejoin, and hopefully they actually read the email they get after
being removed.

Do I like the way this works? Not at all. But we're stuck with it
since email providers have demanded it and we wouldn't be getting
messages from forum platforms without the platforms agreeing to do
this.

Donald


----------------------------------------------------
Join the Icom group, a general Icom (amateur radio) discussion
group on Groups.io and some other groups:
/g/ICOM
/g/Ham-Antennas
/g/HamRadioHelp
----------------------------------
**also, a new self-help group dedicated to your cat's health:
/g/CatVet (just launched)
**and a group to discuss sourdough bread baking:
Re: "Can post" and what does it mean? plus other stuff

 


Sharon, why not do an admin post to the group explaining GIO's spam policy?? That way, members will know that you're not removing them, that under certain conditions, posts get marked as spam by email providers, and GIO removes that member.? there's a rejoin button right there for them to get back on the list.
It will also let members know not to ever mark a gio post as spam.? You can include the link in your post that Duane just posted.??

If your group is restricted, you can set the group to no mod and solve the problem of removing each member from mod.

Terri
Re: Size of HomePage Masthead photo . . .

 

Don,

... and some great photos cannot be used because manipulating them to
fit 900x300 pixels kind of ruins them for display.
It may or may not be useful for your situation, but one thing I've seen done is to take two or three images that are closer to square, and compose them together into a 3:1 aspect ratio for the cover image.

Or you could flank your your showcase image with flat colors or graphics of your choice to fill out the width. Maybe a headline about the member to the left and a credits or other info to the right.

You should be able to do this even with relatively simple photo editors, such as the Paint utility included with Windows.

I've learned to deal with this limitation.
If that's what you meant by "learned to deal with" my apologies for telling you what you already know.

Shal


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Re: "Can post" and what does it mean? plus other stuff

 

those I do that to have never caused me any problems?

On Sunday, December 8, 2019, 05:30:32 PM CST, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:


On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 05:20 PM, Sharon Pohlman wrote:
in my new Io groups some that came over from my yahoo group and I knew who they were I unmoderated them right away .
I hope you realize that by doing that, you would have to change each one of them if there was a flame war or other serious problem in the group.

What I am not liking is when IO determines that something is spam so they remove the post AND the member. I donot think that is right. its my group let me decide if it is spaqm and if the member should be removed.
You need to read /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Removed-for-spam to get a handle on that.? The email they get will tell them that THEY (or their email provider) marked a message as spam, not GIO.

Duane
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Re: YG Transfer numbers

 

On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 05:21 PM, Bill Burns wrote:
That would suggest that the number of groups hosted here had also doubled (approximately) in that period.
I would interpret that to mean the number of members had doubled, not the number of groups.? That would jibe with the figures I mentioned for site members.

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Re: "Can post" and what does it mean? plus other stuff

 

wow thanks this is not good it could upset some members .?

On Sunday, December 8, 2019, 05:24:15 PM CST, Frances <frances@...> wrote:


On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 06:20 PM, Sharon Pohlman wrote:
in my new Io groups some that came over from my yahoo group and I knew who they were I unmoderated them right away . What I am not liking is when IO determines that something is spam so they remove the post AND the member. I donot think that is right. its my group let me decide if it is spaqm and if the member should be removed. . Yes they get to return but what if they thought we removed them? I have had to let 3 people know IO does that not me.?
Please see this wiki page for an explanation.

/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Removed-for-spam

An important point is made on this page:

Why was I removed from my group?
Possibly because you, or your email service, designated a message from the group as "spam", and then your email service reported that fact to Groups.io, with the expectation that Groups.io will stop sending group messages to you. See also the Mechanism section, below.
?
An important distinction: ?You are not being accused of sending spam. Because a groups.io message was marked as spam -- in association with being received by your account -- this implies that you don't want to receive any more "messages like this." And in fact, many groups.io subscribers do this intentionally...mark group messages as spam rather than trying to figure out how to unsubscribe.

It is also possible that the administrators (moderators and owners) of the group removed you. In that case you may or may not have been notified of the reason, depending on that group's practices.

Frances
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Re: "Can post" and what does it mean? plus other stuff

 

On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 05:20 PM, Sharon Pohlman wrote:
in my new Io groups some that came over from my yahoo group and I knew who they were I unmoderated them right away .
I hope you realize that by doing that, you would have to change each one of them if there was a flame war or other serious problem in the group.

What I am not liking is when IO determines that something is spam so they remove the post AND the member. I donot think that is right. its my group let me decide if it is spaqm and if the member should be removed.
You need to read /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Removed-for-spam to get a handle on that.? The email they get will tell them that THEY (or their email provider) marked a message as spam, not GIO.

Duane
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Re: "Can post" and what does it mean? plus other stuff

 

On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 06:20 PM, Sharon Pohlman wrote:
in my new Io groups some that came over from my yahoo group and I knew who they were I unmoderated them right away . What I am not liking is when IO determines that something is spam so they remove the post AND the member. I donot think that is right. its my group let me decide if it is spaqm and if the member should be removed. . Yes they get to return but what if they thought we removed them? I have had to let 3 people know IO does that not me.?
Please see this wiki page for an explanation.

/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Removed-for-spam

An important point is made on this page:

Why was I removed from my group?
Possibly because you, or your email service, designated a message from the group as "spam", and then your email service reported that fact to Groups.io, with the expectation that Groups.io will stop sending group messages to you. See also the Mechanism section, below.
?
An important distinction: ?You are not being accused of sending spam. Because a groups.io message was marked as spam -- in association with being received by your account -- this implies that you don't want to receive any more "messages like this." And in fact, many groups.io subscribers do this intentionally...mark group messages as spam rather than trying to figure out how to unsubscribe.

It is also possible that the administrators (moderators and owners) of the group removed you. In that case you may or may not have been notified of the reason, depending on that group's practices.

Frances
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Re: YG Transfer numbers

 

On 12/8/2019 3:52 PM, Duane wrote:
Lacking a statement from Mark on the beta group, I took it upon myself to do a little digging about how many groups may have been transferred in the last 7 weeks.? As near as I can tell, almost 2000 groups, including almost 2,000,000 members have been added.? That's only based on the number of publicly listed groups, so it could be somewhat higher if many aren't listed in the Directory.? Hopefully he'll give a summary after he's had a chance to relax a bit.
Duane
Mark also posted a few days ago that he was about to upgrade the outbound email server, as the number of outgoing email had more than doubled from a month and a half ago. That would suggest that the number of groups hosted here had also doubled (approximately) in that period.



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