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Re: How are "Links" represented in Groups.io after migrating my group from Yahoo! Groups? #links #transfer #migration #yahoo

 

On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 09:05 PM, Matt Wirkkala wrote:
The thing is, In my Groups.io group UI, I don't even see anywhere where Links might be kept or copied to.
Matt -- You will find your links as a table under Databases (near the bottom of the left-side menu bar). If you cannot see Databases at all, go to your settings and enable it.

Bruce


How are "Links" represented in Groups.io after migrating my group from Yahoo! Groups? #links #transfer #migration #yahoo

 

Hello. I and my group 'darklands' are a recent immigrant from Yahoo! Groups. We are all extremely thankful to have been openly received on friendly shores. Thank you so much!

My question here is about the data category "Links". In our Easy Groups Transfer request to Groups.io the "Transfer Links" option was selected, and in the final transfer confirmation "Transfer Links" was acknowledged as one of the operations with an associated message further down in the report, "42 links were transferred. WARNING: Some links were not able to be transferred because of a bug in Yahoo's export system. You will need to manually review the links."

The thing is, In my Groups.io group UI, I don't even see anywhere where Links might be kept or copied to. I have searched in Group_Help, GMF_Help, the transfer FAQ and the online Help for the keyword "link", but nowhere in any of the returns have I found any clue about the final relative endpoint for transferred Links to be placed.

I apologize if this is right under my nose. But can anyone help point me in the right direction?

Source Y! group:?
Links data source path: ?
Destination group:?/g/darklands?
Links data destination path:? ???

Thanks for your time and assistance.
- Matt Wirkkala, Darklands group owner


Strange happenings

 

I was contacted by a member of my group. ?She was concerned because she is not getting messages and can¡¯t log in. ?I checked the member list and she doesn¡¯t show up under the address she gave me. ?So, I tried to Direct Add her with the address she gave me. ?My attempt was rejected and I was told she was already a member. ?It is an msn.com address. ?I looked under bouncing..not there...I tried Direct Add again...got rejected because she is already a member. ?Searched membership two more times and she is not listed as a member. ?I even searched for all msn.com members...she is not there. ?What can I do next. ?Should I contact Mark?

Janice B
New Statler Siblings


Re: Gmail problem

 

On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 08:46 PM, Tarcila Fox wrote:
Can you tell me how to check on a group transfer that is not showing up.
Go to?/yahootransfer. There should be a link for it below the "View Existing Transfer Status" label at lower right. Click on the link to get status of the transfer (red box at top of resulting page). If there are no links, you haven't started one.

See also?/g/GroupManagersForum/message/23597

Bruce


Re: Gmail problem

 

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Thank you Bruce that worked! I was not logged in. Can you tell me how to check on a group transfer that is not showing up. I paid the $220 on 10/30/19 invoice #7391
Thank you,
Tarcila?




On Nov 14, 2019, at 4:55 PM, Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:

On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 04:00 PM, Tarcila Fox wrote:
I have started several groups with??two of which I have paid the $220 to transfer. Suddenly I noticed that the ones I started with my Gmail address have disappeared. I am the only owner of these groups and was owner through myGmail address this means I have no access to management of the groups. I am getting email to approve the first posts of members, but cannot access the management icon. I get mail from the io.groups which I also joined with my?bellsouth email account. but none through the groups with gmail accounts.
Tarcila -- Are you logged in? See?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Group-Content-Is-Missing

Bruce


Re: Best path to pull YG here if same name exists here already #askmembers

 

On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 07:25 PM, <reichart@...> wrote:
If I click to buy a Premium account for 1 year, the only option I'm given is to [Start a Group]
It sounds like you're making a mistake or not logged into your group.? You should be able to get to the Upgrade page by using /g/GROUPNAME/upgrade?plan=1&yearly=1 and filling in the name of your group where it says GROUPNAME

Whatever you do, DON'T delete your group!? That will cause endless headaches.? You can only transfer to the group you upgrade, so don't use a fake one.? The Premium payment is per group, not account.

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Re: Best path to pull YG here if same name exists here already #askmembers

 

Exactly,?

If I click to buy a Premium account for 1 year, the only option I'm given is to [Start a Group]

But, I already have a group, and wish to fill it with content from YG.

So, perhaps, I should just start a fake group when I pay for this service.

Then once I'm in and paid, I can delete the fake group, and download the data from YG to my existing group?

(Since now I'm a premium member).

?

P.S. I might be getting stuck on semantics.? Not my goal.? Perhaps I may need to delete my existing group here, and start from scratch?


Re: Rescrapeing Queries

 

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Understood.

I should have locked down posting on all the groups between making Transfer.io a Mod and the upload complete notice, but didn't.
My reasoning was that the normal traffic was minimal, but it blew up, so there are a bunch of missing messages in the new group.
Now that transition period is a dog's breakfast.? :((

Not fatal, but galling.

-John

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On 11/14/2019 7:32 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:

On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 07:26 PM, J Forster wrote:
So those should NOT be deleter in preparation for a rescraping?
I am trying to talk you out of rescraping at all. If you choose to go down that road, you do so against my recommendation.

Bruce


Re: Can I Send Group Guidelines as an Attachment #howto #membernotices #question

 

On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 07:26 PM, Ann Wild wrote:
Frances, I see how the Guidelines appear under Home (and above Subscription) on the GMF page, but how can I insert Guidelines under Home on my group's Home page?? I like that idea as a way to keep the Guidelines up-front to members. The file I have under Files is a PDF.? I just don't understand how to get them on the Home page.? Think I would also still send them privately to new group members.
If you create the Guidelines document in Admin, Settings, Member Notices, it will be in your sidebar,
Click Add Notice, scroll down on the list of notices. Choose Guidelines. Paste your notice. Activate it. Save.?

As I said, Guidelines is different. It will automatically populate that field in your sidebar.

From the wiki - I won't bother to hyperlink the URLs - you can visit and see.
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Member-Notices

Extra options for the "Group Guidelines" notification:
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The "Group Guidelines" type of member notice operates differently and has the following features and options:
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When you set a "Group Guidelines" notice, a new tab appears on the left called "Guidelines" with the notice's content in it
You can make the "Group Guidelines" notice visible only to members (this relates to the Guidelines tab on the left)
You can set two different subject lines (see the official help pages for more details)
You can set the "Group Guidelines" notice to be sent when people join as members
You can set the "Group Guidelines" notice to be be sent every month
If you set it to be sent every month, you can choose to send it as a special notice, to ensure that members who are subscribed as "Special Notices Only" will also receive it
You can only set one "Group Guidelines" member notice at a time (it will disappear from the dropdown list when one such notice has been created)
Also:
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Since you can use hashtags in the subject line, you can the hashtag functionality to do certain things, e.g.:
delete the previous guidelines post from the group automatically by setting the hashtag's duration as "one month".
set the hashtag to "locked" so that no-one can reply to the guidelines post.
The guidelines can be sent manually by a moderator to a group member at any time, in case the member needs a review of the guidelines
Examples : /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Group-Rules
See also: /static/help#membernotices
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Tip:
If you want to send a message on a regular schedule you can use a calendar event for that.?
See: /g/GroupManagersForum/message/3749
and: /g/GroupManagersForum/message/4264?
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Frances
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Re: Rescrapeing Queries

 

On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 07:26 PM, J Forster wrote:
So those should NOT be deleter in preparation for a rescraping?
I am trying to talk you out of rescraping at all. If you choose to go down that road, you do so against my recommendation.

Bruce


Re: Best path to pull YG here if same name exists here already #askmembers

 

On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 06:20 PM, Duane wrote:
Once you complete that, just follow the instructions, /g/GroupManagersForum/message/23597
BTW, after you've upgraded the group, you'll actually be at Step 2.1 of those instructions.

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Re: Can I Send Group Guidelines as an Attachment #howto #membernotices #question

 

Frances, I see how the Guidelines appear under Home (and above Subscription) on the GMF page, but how can I insert Guidelines under Home on my group's Home page?? I like that idea as a way to keep the Guidelines up-front to members. The file I have under Files is a PDF.? I just don't understand how to get them on the Home page.? Think I would also still send them privately to new group members.


Re: Rescrapeing Queries

 

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On 11/14/2019 7:16 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 03:59 PM, J Forster wrote:
One of my groups with about 70,000 messages was transferred and the after action report showed perhaps a score of messages not transferred because of Ysahoo issues.
J -- With metrics like that, I believe you should thank your lucky stars!

I've looked up the message numbers and they are present on Yahoo still. I believe it's possible to retransfer just the messages.
The message numbers do not map 1:1, largely because some messages in the Y!G were probably deleted long before you ever asked for a transfer. Did you actually read the messages left behind in the Yahoo Group and confirm that they are not present in the transferred data?
In the after action report, I got a list of message numbers from Yahoo that were not transferred. The messages exist and come up if I search Yahoo for the number.

Another source of missing messages can occur if you allow posts to continue in your Yahoo Group after the transfer agent has already completed the scraping. (A quaint term -- never heard of that before)
Yes, see queries.

Queries:

Is it necessary to delete the entire message file on Groups.io?
Yes, unless you're willing to meticulously go through every message and delete 70,000 dupes. Deleting all those messages will itself be rather burdensome, to put it mildly. Please consider that a repeat transfer could run into even more Yahoo glitches and leave you with a worse situation than you already have.
Yup

What happens to the messages received by Groups.io in the interim between group startup and the new transfer?
They are retained, and these are the ones with low message numbers.
So those should NOT be deleter in preparation for a rescraping?

At the moment, those messages seem to be assigned a new number series series, starting at #1.
Message numbers are assigned in sequence by groups.io as they arrive, whether by new posts or via the transfer agent.

After? the rescraping and reload, would the #1 to #5 be lost?
If you don't delete them first, they will be retained, along with every other message currently in your message archive.

Hope this helps,
Bruce

Thanks,

-John

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Re: Best path to pull YG here if same name exists here already #askmembers

 

On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 06:12 PM, <reichart@...> wrote:
But, the way things are set up it looks like I need to create a NEW group when I buy the Premium 1 year.??

Should I delete my existing group here?
No, you've done the hard part.? Go to your GIO group, click on Admin on the left menu, then on Upgrade slightly indented under that.? At the upper right, there will be a blue button to View/Change Plan.? That button will take you to the page where you should select Premium Yearly (second on the list) using the Upgrade button to the right.? Once you complete that, just follow the instructions, /g/GroupManagersForum/message/23597

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Re: Owner died - how can I transfer yahoo-group without being able to add a new moderator? #owner #transfer

 



On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 5:00 PM Bill in OKC <wmrmeyers@...> wrote:
You can upload the files and photos from the Yahoo group via the files and photos pages in groups. In photos, you also have to create individual folders manually, but once you have the folders, you can upload multiple photos through the upload dialog button. Files will upload an entire directory. If you have mixed files and photos in the Files directory, you'll need to set the new files page to allow photos in the files page. Admin, Settings, Files and put a checkmark in the box to allow photos in files.?

Been doing it for some groups I belong to that had no moderator or owner.?

You CANNOT download a usable membership list, however. You'll need to tell the members on the Yahoo group to join your new group.?

You can download a membership list if it is less than 1,000
With PG4 you can get a complete membership list which can be uploaded to GIO
Of course GIO account should be a premium account

Bill in OKC


Re: Best path to pull YG here if same name exists here already #askmembers

 

Have you tried to upgrade your group to Premium?


On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 6:12 PM <reichart@...> wrote:

<humble>

I'm sure I missed something obvious (I did look around).
I'm thankful for any help anyone is willing to offer me here.
(I'm clear there is a lot of panic out there)

</humble>

FACTS:

  • I have a Yahoo group I want to move here.
  • I have money for 1 year Premium (which seems to cover also doing this transfer).
  • I already set up the Group here? (same name as on Yahoo).? It now has two members (me and my assistant).
  • Now, I want to give this site my money, and start this.?

But, the way things are set up it looks like I need to create a NEW group when I buy the Premium 1 year.??

Should I delete my existing group here?

Because I want to keep the name the same.


Re: Rescrapeing Queries

 

On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 03:59 PM, J Forster wrote:
One of my groups with about 70,000 messages was transferred and the after action report showed perhaps a score of messages not transferred because of Ysahoo issues.
J -- With metrics like that, I believe you should thank your lucky stars!

I've looked up the message numbers and they are present on Yahoo still. I believe it's possible to retransfer just the messages.
The message numbers do not map 1:1, largely because some messages in the Y!G were probably deleted long before you ever asked for a transfer. Did you actually read the messages left behind in the Yahoo Group and confirm that they are not present in the transferred data??

Another source of missing messages can occur if you allow posts to continue in your Yahoo Group after the transfer agent has already completed the scraping. (A quaint term -- never heard of that before)

Queries:

Is it necessary to delete the entire message file on Groups.io?
Yes, unless you're willing to meticulously go through every message and delete 70,000 dupes. Deleting all those messages will itself be rather burdensome, to put it mildly. Please consider that a repeat transfer could run into even more Yahoo glitches and leave you with a worse situation than you already have.

What happens to the messages received by Groups.io in the interim between group startup and the new transfer?
They are retained, and these are the ones with low message numbers.

At the moment, those messages seem to be assigned a new number series series, starting at #1.
Message numbers are assigned in sequence by groups.io as they arrive, whether by new posts or via the transfer agent.

After? the rescraping and reload, would the #1 to #5 be lost?
If you don't delete them first, they will be retained, along with every other message currently in your message archive.

Hope this helps,
Bruce


Best path to pull YG here if same name exists here already #askmembers

 

<humble>

I'm sure I missed something obvious (I did look around).
I'm thankful for any help anyone is willing to offer me here.
(I'm clear there is a lot of panic out there)

</humble>

FACTS:

  • I have a Yahoo group I want to move here.
  • I have money for 1 year Premium (which seems to cover also doing this transfer).
  • I already set up the Group here? (same name as on Yahoo).? It now has two members (me and my assistant).
  • Now, I want to give this site my money, and start this.?

But, the way things are set up it looks like I need to create a NEW group when I buy the Premium 1 year.??

Should I delete my existing group here?

Because I want to keep the name the same.


Re: Owner died - how can I transfer yahoo-group without being able to add a new moderator? #owner #transfer

 

On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 01:46 PM, Andrea wrote:
just recently the owner of our yahoo-group died, so now we are three moderators left, and none of us has the right to add a new member as moderator
You might be able to contact the family of the group owner for assistance.? It would be awkward, but they might be able give you the login information for his/her account on YG.

Duane
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Re: Checking transfer status of group I co-own

 

On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 05:23 PM, Christina Ferrigno wrote:
I have not received any response, and have no idea of status.
Bruce just reposted the Detailed Instructions, /g/GroupManagersForum/message/23597? Go through those step by step to find out where you are.

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