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Sarah,

One files contains a large number of headings and under each heading,
thanks to a specially designed program we use, a lot of highlighted
numbers of past messages in the archives which, when tapped,
automatically takes the reader to those past messages.

Will this file with all its huge volume of data be transferred?

I would guess that the file itself will transfer ok.

However the links in it would not be automatically updated - they would continue to point to the Yahoo Group's archive.

Moreover, I don't think that the transfer process guarantees that messages get the same number in the Groups.io group that they had in the Yahoo Group. So manual or programmatic updating of the links might not be a simple substitution of one link format for another.

I can send details of the list and the file section if it helps.

You may, if you don't mind that information posted publicly (GMF's archives are open to the public). Some of GMF's otehr members may have experience to relate about transferring groups with lots of files or large files. I myself haven't done that.

Another resource would be [email protected] - to get details on authority.

Shal

Scott,

I wrote:

So, I can imagine a few factors that may be relevant:

Connection performance (I have a 300 MBPS cable connection)

I was thinking, and it isn't the raw bits-per-second rate that likely matters. Rather the round-trip time for a message to sent from your browser to the site, the site to process it, and the response to come back to your browser.

This unfortunately is seldom measured or revealed. And can be hard to measure because it is usually even more variable than the effective bit rate. DSLReports includes a "bufferbloat" measurement, which is a measure of how badly your average trip-time is impacted by streaming data. Often the answer is: severely.


The also have a ping test which is a direct measurement of latency in your data connections:


The quality of your internet service matters, of course, but another factor, often overlooked, is the age and quality of your home router. Not too long ago I replaced an aging DSL-class router with one geared for higher transaction performance - it made a world of difference on a bunch of sites, particularly modern sites that tend to cram a lot of stuff onto each page.

I don't think Groups.io's pages are overstuffed (far from it) but the HTML editor could be particularly sensitive to transaction latency (round-trip time) if it is communicating with Groups.io's server on every keystroke.

Shal

Hi all,

This week's change log:


Feel free to reply to this topic if you'd like to comment on the changes. Or better yet, if you expect a lot of discussion start a new topic (or rejoin an existing one) about a specific change.


* Work on upgrading search to new software and new indices.

I'm in a state of high anticipation. I'd love to see a really good search/filter capability for all areas, but especially messages. One of the annoying issues with the current search feature is that you can't turn off the word root matching when you know the exact word or phrase you want to find. If it would even prioritize (list first) the exact matches it would be better

I'm also in a state of dread, because I've seen so many poor search features. A million ways to do it poorly.


* Allowing CSS font-family declarations in archive messages.

This fixed a bug I'd noticed: font selections made while composing a message were shown in the resulting email, but not when viewing the message in the group's messages page.


Comments about these others are also welcome:

* INTERNAL: Work on the API.
* SYSADMIN: Updated Elasticsearch nodes.
* BUGFIX: Replies in groups with a subdomain from the All Threads view were broken.
* CHANGE: Changed all split dropdowns to 'normal' dropdowns.
* INTERNAL: Doing commits more often in the cleaner cronjob to avoid shared memory issues with the database.


Please call out any you find significant.

Shal

John,

... a moderator asked me if there is any way that a group member can
hide his email address but not his name when posting?

There is not.

While their email addresses won't be shown on the Groups.io site, their address will be in the From: address of their postings when forwarded to members that receive group messages by email.

The best the member can do is create or use an anonymous email address for use in the group.

That is, go to a free email service (aol, gmail, hotmail, etc.) and create an email address that does not identify them. They can put a filter in the anonymous account to forward to their preferred email address, but this is still inconvenient because it means that they always have to sign in to that anonymous email, or to groups.io, to post or reply.

I believe I can make the member directory only visible to owners &
Moderators ...

Correct.

There was considerable discussion, some time ago, in the beta@ group about having anonymous groups - where no member's address would be seen or forwarded to any other member (only moderators would see them in the Members list).


The idea was controversial and hasn't been acted on. I haven't seen anything about them this year. It is on the to-do list though:


Shal

Scott,

which other places did you want me to try? I thought
it was just in the posts or in the search bar.

I was curious to see if you switched your post format preference to plain text if the problem would go away. In plain text mode a simple form filler is used rather than the new HTML editor.

Switch your Post Preference by going to your account preferences page (click on your name in the upper right to drop a menu, click on Account, click on Preferences in the left column). About midway down is a selector for your Post Preference - choose Plain Text then click the Update Preferences button at the bottom.

Make some tests with longer texts (Click the Discard button rather than Send if you don't want to clutter a group with the tests). Enough to be confident whether or not you're seeing the slowdown.

Then, if you prefer, go back to your Post Preference and return your Post Preference to HTML.

There has to be some issue with the new editor.

That seems to be the case, even though I'm not experiencing the slowdown. I'm hoping we can gather enough evidence to help Mark identify and hopefully correct the circumstances that result in a slowdown.

Noticed something new while typing this post. - as it is a longer
post than I've made in here, after it got to be 3-4 sentences long
the text stopped appearing at all.. I kept typing to see what would
happen and suddenly things "caught up" - a whole sentence appeared at
once.

That's the kind of buffering delay that used to happen in "ancient" times, working with old Intel 386 and 486 computers, with dialup modem connections. Not something anyone wants to go back to!

So, I can imagine a few factors that may be relevant:

Connection performance (I have a 300 MBPS cable connection)
Choice of browser (I'm using Firefox)
Choice of OS (I'm using either WinXP or Win10)
Speed/memory performance of computer (I'm using either a decade-old AMD Opteron at 2.8 GHz with 3 GB of RAM, or a recent Intel i5-6400 at 2.7 GHz and 8 GB of RAM).

Of those, my guess is that internet connection performance is the most likely factor to make a difference, with choice of browser being a close second. Since I don't see any difference using an older (high-end at the time) or modern (economy model) computer, I'm guessing that's the least likely factor.

I think the evidence is close to solid enough that I'd advise reporting your results to [email protected] to get it on the bug list. Include the factors above, and anything else you think might be relevant.

Shal

There's something else going on with this new (godforsaken IMO) editor that I just emailed Mark about. When editing a pending message, the HTML flashes by for a split second and then disappears. It's disconcerting.

J

On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 01:12 pm, Shal Farley wrote:

Scott,

> There doesn't seem to be any lag typing in the search box.

Can you try some of the other places I named?

I'm sorry Shai - which other places did you want me to try? I thought it was just in the posts or in the search bar.

> Out of curiosity, when did the new editor come into play?

It was put into the New Topic & Reply message editing on May 22nd. It
gradually replaced the old editor everywhere else but the wiki, by May
26th. It went into the Wiki the week ending June 2nd.

This is the most telling thing to me. I joined Groups.io on the 18th of May and made multiple posts (10+) in my new group over the next few days and didn't experience anything unusual. I was testing this site out to see if we should move from Yahoo. Nothing buggy at all and I was so impressed we started switching over immediately. It was about a week after joining I started to see some lag but didn't connect it to this site?until I realized that was the only place it was happening.

There has to be some issue with the new editor.

> Lag didn't start on this reply until the 3rd sentence.

I guess that will make testing for it a bit tedious. Not knowing at what
point it might kick in means you'd have to type extra long.

Noticed something new while typing this post. - as it is a longer post than I've made in here, after it got to be 3-4 sentences long the text stopped appearing at all.. I kept typing to see what would happen and suddenly things "caught up"?- a?whole sentence appeared at once.

Scott

?

Nick,

How can I enable the "Add Pictures" icon??
we do not have attachments enabled.

Disallowing attachments also disallows pictures.

This is probably done because the New Topic and Reply editors add pictures as attachments to the message. The image that appears in the message body is an HTML reference to the attached image file.

There's growing acceptance of another way to carry image data in email messages, one that puts the data inside the HTML of the message rather than carried as a separate part. That might be a feature request for the beta@ list.

Many email user interfaces have traditionally used the "cid:" (attached image file) method of inserting images in formatted message bodies. Thunderbird has only recently changed to using the "data:" method (inside the HTML img tag) by default.

Shal

Scott,

There doesn't seem to be any lag typing in the search box.

Can you try some of the other places I named?

Out of curiosity, when did the new editor come into play?

It was put into the New Topic & Reply message editing on May 22nd. It gradually replaced the old editor everywhere else but the wiki, by May 26th. It went into the Wiki the week ending June 2nd.

Lag didn't start on this reply until the 3rd sentence.

I guess that will make testing for it a bit tedious. Not knowing at what point it might kick in means you'd have to type extra long.

Shal

/g/railwaygun is a new free group.

How can I enable the "Add Pictures" icon??

we do not have attachments enabled.
Nick R

On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 09:41 pm, J_Catlady wrote:

My bet is still on the new editor. Shal, is there anything in groups.io that takes input from the user but doesn't use the editor? Something simple like typing a string into the search box? Scott, does it happen if you type a long phrase into the message search box?

J?

There doesn't seem to be any lag typing in the search box. Out of curiosity, when did the new editor come into play? Lag didn't start on this reply until the 3rd sentence.

Scott

Thank you, everyone who answered to this effect:

The detail about how to approve shows up after the partial message quote so if she received a very long message she might not see the instruction text.

- The instructions were right in front of me -- I just did not scroll down far enough to reach the other side of a wide white space which I had assumed was the bottom margin. Thanks for your patience - future as well as past, as I don't doubt I shall have lots more questions - and likely overlook lots of other obvious answers.

-Shal, thank you also for your info on G.io's help set up.

jkm (aka Jane)

On 7 Jun 2017 at 13:00, Bob Bellizzi wrote:

The detail about how to approve shows up?after the ?partial message
quote so if she received a very long message she might not see the
instruction text.

I'm pretty sure that's it. G.io includes the entire message instead of just a
partial quote.

If one looks far enough down, one will find it.

Maybe a better way to do it would be to put the details up top, with the
included message below.

It's kind of like bottom posting: it's more logical, but easier to miss after a
long quote.

--
Jim
Poston@...

<< Use only as directed. >>

Shal,
The detail about how to approve shows up?after the ?partial message quote so if she received a very long message she might not see the instruction text.
--
Bob Bellizzi

The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation

Jane,

I just received an email notice of a message awaiting approval. Can
I approve moderated messages by email and if so how?

Yes, reply to it.

G.io's email notification contained no instructions whatsoever.

That's odd. Mine do, right below the instructions for handling the message via web. From my notice for your message:

To approve or reject this message using the web, please visit:

/g/GroupManagersForum/pendingmsg?pendingid=269321

To approve this using email, reply to this message. You do not need to
attach the original message, just reply and send.

To reject this message using email, and to have the sender notified of
this, forward this message to:

GroupManagersForum+reject+269321+129+2201963513460888462@groups.io

To delete this message using email, forward this message to:

GroupManagersForum+delete+269321+129+2201963513460888462@groups.io

Maybe you missed them because they are below a quote of the message body? Otherwise maybe there's a glitch of some kind. If they really aren't there you might want to forward an example to [email protected] to get it looked into.

I am sending this to both Help and GroupModerators as I don't know
which is more appropriate.

I consider GMF primarily for group moderators, but open and friendly to anyone, with or without moderator status or the intent to become one.

Although I also moderate at Group_Help, please don't think I'm speaking for its owner. Myself, I think of it as the "generic" help group for Groups.io users.

The original Yahoo lists (Mark's handiwork?), ...

In part. Particularly the email part. For more detail see:

I guessing that G.io has not (yet) felt the need for such
encyclopedic elementary instruction because most of its groups
are still manned by very tecchi-proficient folks.

Mark has been working on it, but more in the wordsmithing of the site pages and controls themselves than (until lately) in the Help pages themselves. In this he's been helped along by some very active members of the beta@ group - suggesting both features and their names and descriptions.

Mark is currently engaged in some enhancement to the (still rather bare-bones) help page. Some sections have been updated, more are in the works. He's invited us to help him along, see GMF's wiki page mock-up of the help page:
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Groups.io-Help-page-Mock-up

I also want GMF's wiki to be a good resource for the how-to, tips and tricks, and other information that goes beyond what fits comfortably in official help and support pages. There's clearly going to be some overlap there, but that's ok.
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki

Shal
GMF Owner

I just received an email notice of a message awaiting approval. Can I approve moderated messages by email and if so how? Unlike YG's email notices (which state that you can approve them either by hitting REPLY or via the web), G.io's email notification contained no instructions whatsoever. Because the moderated email was urgent and I wanted to take no chances, I went to the web, but at that particular moment replying by email would have been far, far, far more convenient. :-). Would G.io consider following Yahoo's example of including simple instructions in the email?]

I am sending this to both Help and GroupModerators as I don't know which is more appropriate.

What a shame that Y ran Groups into the ground. The original Yahoo lists (Mark's handiwork?), which I switched to in the late '90s, were like bare bones Model Ts, with no frills but all the necessities, and supported by such superb canned help and instructions that even the most computer illiterate newbie, like myself, could get in and drive successfully. I guessing that G.io has not (yet) felt the need for such encyclopedic elementary instruction because most of its groups are still manned by very tecchi-proficient folks. But I'm also guessing that that could quickly change as more and more non-tecchi refugees, like myself, flock to you from Yahoo.

Jane

Good idea.
J

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