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Re: Members' Details
On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 04:13 AM, Mick Anderson wrote:
On the 25 May 2019 the GDPR (General Data Protection Regulation) came into effect in the EU.GDPR has been hashed and rehashed, both here and on the beta group.? Mark (with his legal team) has assured us that Groups.io is as compliant as it can be.? Honestly, it seems no one, not even those that wrote it, know exactly what GDPR requires.? Until a major legal case is completed, it will remain a guessing game. That said, and as Shal mentioned, this site is for Email Lists.? Kind of difficult to send emails without email addresses. Duane -- Help: /static/help GMF's Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Search button at the top of Messages list A few site FAQs: /static/pricing#frequently-asked-questions |
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Re: Members' Details
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I personally am not concerned that my email address is available on the IO website. I also realise that when you send an ordinary email to anybody your address appears as "From", but that is a choice you make in using email. However IO is an International system and must comply with laws in other countries that it services. On the 25 May 2019 the GDPR (General Data Protection Regulation) came into effect in the EU. You must obtain a person's specific permission to make their details available on the Internet. Other companies, such as Yahoo, do conform by truncating members' email addresses. I intend to send out a Group email to seek all members' permission or delete their membership. I suggest that somehow all Groups must do that. Mick On 10 Aug 2019, at 3:11 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote: |
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Re: Reply to Group/Sender set up instructions sought
Brooke,
what is the option "Separate Message Footers"In short: not what you're looking for. It causes the group's footers to be put in a separate message part in the outbound email. Message parts are sections of a MIME-structured email body. That's a bit technical, and so is the announcement of the feature: I'm trying to find a way to put the original post on top of all theI'm don't know what you mean by this. So one guess: If you look at a topic on a group's web pages (such as the link above) the original post is at the top unless you've clicked the Date link (on the right, across from the topic's Subject text) to reverse the message order. Second guess: If you're talking about a reply text versus the quote of the original message, that's largely under the control of the sender or their email interface. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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Re: Members' Details
Mick,
However email addresses are visible to all members in messages.Yes, to members receiving messages by email. On the web interface only the Display Name is shown (assuming the member has one). Sending outbound messages that do not include the sender's email address is something that was rather heavily discussed in the beta group a few years back. Search that group for the keyword "anonymous" and you'll likely find more discussion than you care to read. But before you do that, start with this more recent one (and maybe throw a Like on it, or a comment in support): This is serious breach of privacy and could lead to legal action by aFrankly, that's absurd. Without trying to be too pedantic about it, Groups.io is an email list service, and that's how email works. You send a message TO your correspondent's address, and your address is the FROM address of the message. That simple arrangement, modeled on postal mail, has been a part of the internet email standard as long as there has been a standard The member may as well attempt legal action on that basis against AOL, Gmail, Hotmail, Yahoo Mail, their own ISP, and every other email service they've ever used. As a practical response to your members, you may recommend that if they are concerned about their privacy when using your group they should create an email address (with any one of the email service providers) which does not include any personal identification in the email address or its Display Name. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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Re: Members' Details
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýPersonally, I don¡¯t think people should join forums if they are worried about privacy. This is just me, but I think anonymity is what is wrong with social media. ? Don ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Mick Anderson
Sent: Friday, August 9, 2019 8:08 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [GMF] Members' Details ? The list of members and their email addresses is only visible to Owners and Moderators for privacy reasons. However email addresses are visible to all members in messages. This is serious breach of privacy and could lead to legal action by a member. ? Mick ? |
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Re: Email to owner's address went to group instead
Trista, On the header, thanks to you I've now found it on io and obviously it's very long, but the relevant bit seems (to me) to be: Nor do I. But then if it were sent to the group posting address
as a BCC you wouldn't. I still recommend a look at the group's Activity log for some possible illumination. On the other hand, I did eventually find it as the destination of any response (but not in the from line) on the actual email, which arrived with a header like this: The Reply-To field (R¨¦pondre ¨¤) is inserted into outbound messages by Groups.io when necessary to direct replies to the destination(s) specified by the Reply To setting in the Message Policies section of the
group's Settings page. I would infer that your group is set to Group. Sorry, computer speaks French, but as you can see, "?:" is the "From" line ... Actually, ? would be "To". Hence some confusion. I think the answer has to be that Christine sent this via the group address, The pasted header pretty clearly has her personal address (which I redacted) in the From field (first line I left in the header quote at the top). But what you mean is that it went to the group and back to you Hence CHRISTINE [redacted] via Groups.io as the From in the screen-shot of your email. But notably it was directed To your address directly (and Catherine's, second line). So it would also have come to you directly even if not through the group or the +owner address. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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Re: Email to owner's address went to group instead
Thank you, that's really helpful. I don't understand the stuff about DMARC, why the addresses show llike that, but I guess that's a different question and maybe in the FAQs.
On the header, thanks to you I've now found it on io and obviously it's very long, but the relevant bit seems (to me) to be: Received: from pc ([redacted]) by re-prd-rgout-002.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net (5.8.335.01) (authenticated as c[redacted]@btinternet.com)
id 5D3F8C8B012CEA2B; Fri, 9 Aug 2019 08:27:28 +0100
From: "CHRISTINE [redacted]" <c[redacted]@btinternet.com>
To: "'Trista Selous'" <trista.selous@...>,
"'Catherine [redacted]'" <c[redacted]@societyofauthors.org>
Cc: "'TA email group moderators'" <[email protected]>
References: <CWLP265MB089903FBE4796C13D5B4E730D8D40@...> <2F119B34-F184-4F25-A38B-5FF9B14B3236@...> <[email protected]> <CWLP265MB08993D1E22AB04D439067C28D8D70@...> <52366A5A-4DA0-431D-BA99-7851B7F065C6@...>
In-Reply-To: <52366A5A-4DA0-431D-BA99-7851B7F065C6@...>
I don't see any mention of the group address anywhere in the other stuff either.? I've done a search.On the other hand, I did eventually find it as the destination of any response (but not in the from line) on the actual email, which arrived with a header like this:  Sorry, computer speaks French, but as you can see, "?:" is the "From" line and then there's this weird "R¨¦pondre ¨¤:" (Reply to) line, which doesn't usually appear. Having now checked through my emails fairly extensively, I think the answer has to be that Christine sent this via the group address, but in that case, wouldn't the group address show somewhere in the full header? I'm more used to yahoo email group full headers, where the group address always did show. Never had to check an io one before! [some personal info redacted by moderator] |
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Re: re deleting photos
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýSince that is the way it works, the next time I find this situation in a member¡¯s photo album, I¡¯ll take a look at all of their activity concerning their album. If I can¡¯t find any deletion of pictures in that member¡¯s album (only additions), but the issue still exists, I guess I¡¯ll be back for more ideas about this. ? Don |
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Re: Email to owner's address went to group instead
Trista, The relevant message triggered a new thread, for which I can only view full gobbledygook for the most recent message, which was not the problem message. As a group owner/mod you should be able to use the View Source item in the More menu under the message in the group's Messages section - unless you've already deleted it from there. Another place to check would be the group's Activity log. A message post (in an unmoderated circumstance) would show as: Member email sent message #nnn, Subject via email versus Member email sent message Subject to owners via email Where the member's email is a link to the member's subscription page, and the Subject is a link to the message. That said scrolling down the raw version of the thread, the "to" line of the problem message shows the owner's address Interesting that it was a CC. And no other CC or To fields listed for that message? Still, the group's posting address could have been a BCC, which wouldn't be seen by any recipient. The "from" line shows the group address, but I think that's normal for any message going through the group in some way. Um no. Group message postings usually carry the From address of the sending member. With the exception of services (like yours) that require it to be rewritten for DMARC; in which case it comes out as From: "Display Name via Groups.io" <user=@> (where the italics are generic for the actual member's info) Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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Re: Replying From the Owner Email
Marcio,
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You quoted the answer below.
That wasn't me, but in Thunderbird each account you use for sending must be linked to one of your valid SMTP configurations. In the first page of the Account's settings you can set the Email Address, and at the bottom the Outgoing Server (SMTP). In that drop-list pick the outgoing service you wish to use (typically the one for your primary email address). ?
On the Server Settings page for that account uncheck every form of checking for new messages, and you can leave the POP or IMAP server information blank - as there is no server from which you can retrieve +owner messages.
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Having done this success is not guaranteed. Your chosen outgoing service may reject messages you send with an alternate From address; and the destination service may reject messages that use this kind of spoofing.
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Setting up the spoof on the server side (in Yahoo Mail's options) is similar conceptually to what I described for Thunderbird, but it controls a drop-list for the From field in Y!Mail's web interface. I don't know if that relates in any way to using it from Thunderbird. Maybe it acts as an enable for a spoof done in Thunderbird, or maybe Yahoo Mail flat out rejects any spoof submitted through SMTP (Thunderbird).
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I think we're still on topic. Being able to send messages from the group's +owner address is frequently desired by group mods/owners, and this is as good a place as any to discuss ways of doing it and the pros and cons of the various methods.
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Anyone who has lost interest can always use the Mute This Topic link in the footer. ? ;-)
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Re: New subscribers bypassing the Pending subscription notice
?All right, that answers my question then. Thanks to both of you.? If these messages are not being logged in the activity log, then I don¡¯t know that they¡¯re not receiving them. More than likely they¡¯re just not answering them. ?That¡¯s kind of what I had suspected earlier this morning, so I¡¯m going to leave it at that. ?Thanks again for your help.? John Myers? On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 11:04 AM Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote: On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 09:20 AM, John Myers, KD8MQ wrote: |
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Re: New group manager here with a quick Q
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýInstead of letting any member direct add a person they ¡®think¡¯ would like to join their group (With owner/moderator approval), why not ¡®personally¡¯ send to that person that might want to join, the home URL of that group for their consideration of joining. ? Don |
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Re: Email to owner's address went to group instead
Trista, This happened this morning. According to the simple header displayed in my email program, the message was definitely sent to the owner's address and not to the group address. If your "simple header" shows only the Display Name part of the To address that could be the source of confusion, as Marcio suggested. You may need to use "show details", "show original", "view source" or some similarly named function in your email interface in order to see the full To address. The details of doing that depend on the program you're using. Another possibility is that the sender included the group's posting address as a BCC. But then you should have seen it both in the group and directly as a +owner message. Unless your email interface collapsed the two together as being "the same" message, or unless you haven't elected to receive all +owner messages. ? We use the owner's address all the time and it has never happened before. Is this a new glitch? I think it is more likely pilot error on the part of the person who sent the message. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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Re: re deleting photos
I believe at least part of the source of the problem is that there aren't permalinks to photos.? In any album, when a photo is deleted, the "link" to others may change.? For example, if there are 5 photos, they're labeled as /g/groupname/photo/album#/0 through /g/groupname/photo/album#/4.? By deleting #2, they're renumbered as 0-3, so #4 becomes #3.? The ?p= after the initial part of the link should go to the correct one, but doesn't always do it properly.
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Re: re deleting photos
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýThis issue of the wrong picture being displayed in a Photo Album, when clicking on the thumbnail of a particular picture in that album, does not appear to happen all the time for me. When it does happen, I have to click on one or two pictures on either side of the one I want to display the right one. I have not experienced that issue in Emailed Photos to date. Sort order inside a Photo Album should not make a difference, in displaying the correct picture linked to the thumbnail in that album. ? When I notice this issue happen again, I will spend more time trying to analyze what is happening. ? Don |
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