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Re: Upgrading from a Free account to the next level paid account #howto

 

An owner of my group tried to upgrade our group however an warning popped up saying they are not a "payor"

I set a group up for my son's school and the office wants to pay for an upgrade.


Re: Replying From the Owner Email

 

You may be right there, Shal.?? I tried altering the From address on a reply I sent to Marcio.? Thunderbird allowed me to do it, but it doesn't seem to have arrived.? It is spoofing after all.? However I have done it successfully using a different address known to Thunderbird and that has gone through OK.? So your suggestion of setting up an account with Thunderbird in the name of group+owner seems like a good idea that should work.

Peter

On 08/08/2019 16:12, Shal Farley wrote:

Marcio,

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Here's the problem. Using Thunderbird, apparently I can't answer with something different than my own email. So is there a way of doing it?
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What Chris said about using the activity log entry is only true of +owner messages from members. Those from non-members are logged, but without a stored copy of the message that you could reply to.
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What I often do is reply from Thunderbird using my own email address, but set a "Reply-To" field with the group's +owner address. You can do that in the same way you add a CC or BCC address.
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Depending on your email service, you may be able to create an "account" within your email address which has the group's +owner email address. With Gmail or Yahoo Mail you'll be required to prove that you are authorized to use that address - they'll send a confirmation email to it. That could startle your co-owners/mods, so you might want to warn them if you attempt this.
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I've stopped using this technique though because it is technically "spoofing" (even if legitimately done) and many email services are getting very touchy about displaying or even delivering spoofed messages to their users. So while this worked perfectly in a less paranoid world, it may not work so well now. Come to think of it, I'm not sure if Gmail or Yahoo still allows you to set up such a spoof.
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Re: Is the system down?

 

Peter,


I have noted that various members of our group and one pending member have '? attempted to send messages...' but they've not been received - either by email or in Topics.
For the pending member the reason is clear: he/she is not (yet) a member. For the others the reason should be stated in the Activity log as part of the "attempted to send" entry.

If their attempts are listed as Non-member then most likely they sent from an email address that is different than the one subscribed to your group.

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This has only occurred over the last two or three days and I wonder if something is wrong?

If there were you probably wouldn't have log entries to show for their attempts.

Shal

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Re: Replying From the Owner Email

 

Marcio,


Here's the problem. Using Thunderbird, apparently I can't answer with something different than my own email. So is there a way of doing it?

What Chris said about using the activity log entry is only true of +owner messages from members. Those from non-members are logged, but without a stored copy of the message that you could reply to.

What I often do is reply from Thunderbird using my own email address, but set a "Reply-To" field with the group's +owner address. You can do that in the same way you add a CC or BCC address.

Depending on your email service, you may be able to create an "account" within your email address which has the group's +owner email address. With Gmail or Yahoo Mail you'll be required to prove that you are authorized to use that address - they'll send a confirmation email to it. That could startle your co-owners/mods, so you might want to warn them if you attempt this.

I've stopped using this technique though because it is technically "spoofing" (even if legitimately done) and many email services are getting very touchy about displaying or even delivering spoofed messages to their users. So while this worked perfectly in a less paranoid world, it may not work so well now. Come to think of it, I'm not sure if Gmail or Yahoo still allows you to set up such a spoof.

Shal


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re deleting photos

 

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Back at the end of May we had a discussion about my problem when deleting photos, that the one I clicked to select didn¡¯t open up, but the next one or even further along opened instead.

I hoped at the time it was a temporary glitch but I just tried again and it is exactly the same, so I have sent it on to Mark.

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This question I am asking may be the result of deleting photos¡­

Now that the search function is fixed, I have been looking at some of the old messages and see at the bottom of some ¡°edited on such and such a date¡±.

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As I would not have been editing these messages at all, I am assuming that I must have deleted the photo which had been inserted or attached to that message as there is no longer any image in the body of the message¡­ is this assumption correct? Or is there some other reason?

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Thanks

Win


Re: Managing Files & Photos

 

Thanks for the replies, guys.? I started taking up a collection to buy the 10GB storage, but I fear there's not enough participation, on an ongoing basis, to sustain it.? So I may go with my Plan-B, which would be to create a separate group solely for storage, just to relieve the current "crisis", allowing more time to slowly, manually comb through and clean up the files/photos.? 1GB should be plenty of storage for what we do, it's just the email attachments thing that's killing us.? I wish I could set an expiration date.?

Oh, and yes, I do have the "delete old attachments" selected, so attaching new files isn't a problem, but if someone wants to upload something to Files/Phots, they're unable to.


Re: Replying From the Owner Email

 

On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 01:35 PM, Marcio wrote:
I'm ok with it even if it has to be done through the web interface, and I have a feeling that we have such possibility. Trouble is, I can't remember where I would go to see these messages.
Yes; use the web U/I. If a member sends a message to the Owner then both the fact of the message and the message itself can be found via the Activity Log. Having found the relevant entry and opened the message then there is a blue Reply button below it, and that will open the composition box. The option of replying as the Owner or as "yourself" is available via a drop - down.

Chris


Re: searching messages

 

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Just letting you know that Mark emailed me saying the problem has been fixed... just tested and all is OK.

Win

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Shal Farley
Sent: Sunday, 4 August 2019 4:56 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] searching messages

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Win,

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> Could you please report this?

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Bruce did, but I'd encourage you to report the details of your own experience to [email protected] so that Mark doesn't think it only affects members using the YYYY-MM-DD format.

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It's probably worth reporting your Browser and OS as well, just in case those are somehow a factor.

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Shal

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Re: Is the system down?

 

Hi

It looks fine - your message got through to me.

There is an URL for site status -?

Frances

PS I notice it isn't https - some browsers might have trouble with the URL.
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Is the system down?

 

I have noted that various members of our group and one pending member have '? attempted to send messages...' but they've not been received - either by email or in Topics.
This has only occurred over the last two or three days and I wonder if something is wrong?
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Replying From the Owner Email

Marcio
 

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Hi,
A while ago I've asked quite a similar question so at first it may look like the same, but it isn't :)
I'm trying to find out how do I can reply using the Owner email. That is, if someone sends a message to the Owner email, they'll expect a reply from the Owner email, not from my personal one, isn't it?
Here's the problem. Using Thunderbird, apparently I can't answer with something different than my own email. So is there a way of doing it?
I'm ok with it even if it has to be done through the web interface, and I have a feeling that we have such possibility. Trouble is, I can't remember where I would go to see these messages.

As always, thanks for any and all help.

Cheers,
AKA Starboy

Sent from a galaxy far, far away.


Re: FAIL: email posting to group

 

On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 02:04 AM, Jonesy W3DHJ wrote:


Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; connect to
.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?lb01.groups.io[45.79.81.153]:25:
.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Operation timed out
groups.io servers are hosted by Linode. Your VPS provider firewalled Linode's IP-address range including [45.79.81.153]. Ask your VPS support why, not groups.io's.


Re: FAIL: email posting to group

 

On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 06:04 PM, Jonesy W3DHJ wrote:
More than a week ago I sent an email from my gmail account to support
Mark was on vacation last week, so he's likely busy catching up this week.? It looks to me like your email service isn't connecting to groups.io properly.? Have you tried to send a message lately?

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Re: FAIL: email posting to group

 

Jonesy,


I received the following response?
Your request (9428) has been received and is being reviewed by our support staff.

Mark was on vacation last week, it is possible he hasn't caught up.

.? ? ? ? Final-Recipient: rfc822; [email protected]
.? ? ? ? Original-Recipient: rfc822;[email protected]
.? ? ? ? Action: failed
.? ? ? ? Status: 4.4.1
.? ? ? ? Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; connect to
.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?[45.79.81.153]:25:
.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Operation timed out

That indicates some kind of protocol error during your email service's attempt to deliver the messages. There may be no way to diagnose that without access to the detailed logs of your outbound server and/or Groups.io's inbound server.

Between my last successful email post and the current failures my
ISP has moved from one CoLo (in Atlanta) to another (in Las Vegas).

This suggests that there is some seemingly inconsequential difference in how his new server is configured, but one that happens to matter in connecting to Groups.io. The timeouts in the protocol stack perhaps?

And, he obtained a new (his first) IPv4 assignment:

How would he have operated an outbound mail server without one before? Or maybe you mean he was using one that belonged to the Atlanta CoLo?
So another possibility is that Groups.io's attempt to authenticate the new sending server is taking too long, or failing in a way that is hanging the protocol.

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There should be no blacklist problems, and "we" have seen no
issues with email otherwise.

I don't know any internals, but wouldn't expect Groups.io to be using any unusual email protocols or authentication techniques. Something as simple as having the SPF records set up wrong for the new server would likely cause more visible problems sending to other destinations.

Additionally, sending this email request to [email protected] from my VPS
via my ISP failed in the same manner as the posting example above.

That makes sense, and is in a way reassuring: there's nothing especially different about posting to that group than any other or to support.

Shal


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Re: asking a question [about Reply To sender]

 

Marie,

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is there a way to set a group to reply to sender?
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Yes. In the Message Policies section of your group's Settings page, change Reply To from Group to Sender. Then scroll to the bottom of the page and click the blue Update Group button.
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Members that reply using the group's web pages will see the difference on all messages;? but for members that reply by email the change will affect their replies to new messages but not messages which have already been sent.
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asking a question [about Reply To sender]

 

is there a way to set a group to reply to sender?? thank you in advance


FAIL: email posting to group

Jonesy W3DHJ
 

More than a week ago I sent an email from my gmail account to [email protected]?
to report that my attempts to post from my groups.io subscribed email address was
no longer working.

I received the following response?
Your request (9428) has been received and is being reviewed by our support staff.
I've heard nothing further via that route.
Here below is my problem and some "environmental" information (as contained
in my first email):

I am unable to post via email.
In the recent past I _was_ able to.
I _do_ receive all postings to the group.
I post VERY infrequently -- I see my last successful
email post was on? 09/10/18
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The group is [email protected]? ?-- currently my only groups.io group.
I am signed up as <mailserver@...>? -- the userid my ISP requires
for all my outbound email.? I have an inbound, wildcard email
account -- so any-thing-you-can-think-of@... comes to me.
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So, I (try to) post to the group via email
thus:
.? ? ? ? From? ? : Jonesy W3DHJ <mailserver@...>
.? ? ? ? Reply-To: Jonesy W3DHJ <W3DHJ@...>
.? ? ? ? To? ? ? : NM VHF <[email protected]>
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and the email eventually bounces
with:
?.? ? ? ?X-Postfix-Sender: rfc822; mailserver@...
?.? ? ? ?Arrival-Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 20:28:48 +0000 (UTC)
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.? ? ? ? Final-Recipient: rfc822; [email protected]
.? ? ? ? Original-Recipient: rfc822;[email protected]
.? ? ? ? Action: failed
.? ? ? ? Status: 4.4.1
.? ? ? ? Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; connect to
.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?lb01.groups.io[45.79.81.153]:25:
.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Operation timed out
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Thinking the Reply-To: was an "issue", I tried WITHOUT the Reply-To:
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? ? ? ? From? ? : Jonesy W3DHJ <mailserver@...>
? ? ? ? To? ? ? : NM VHF <[email protected]>
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... and received the same FAIL.

Between my last successful email post and the current failures my
ISP has moved from one CoLo (in Atlanta) to another (in Las Vegas).
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And, he obtained a new (his first) IPv4 assignment: 45.13.64.0/22
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Here are the outbound MTA's for my ISP (K&T Host):
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.? Server name: outbound00.knthost.com
.? Server IP: 45.13.64.13
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.? Server name: outbound01.knthost.com
.? Server IP: 45.13.64.14
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There should be no blacklist problems, and "we" have seen no
issues with email otherwise.
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Additionally, sending this email request to [email protected] from my VPS
via my ISP failed in the same manner as the posting example above.
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Where to look for the "issue"?

Regards,
Marvin Jones (Jonesy)
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Re: How to resubscribe someone who was unsubscribed for "marking spam"

 

Bob,


How to resubscribe someone who was unsubscribed for "marking spam"
The best way is for the member to resume his/her subscription using the link that was emailed to him/her. This preserves all of his/her subscription settings as well as his/her ownership connection to content he/she uploaded or posted.

I don't have any Premium groups at the moment, so I can't help you with questions about the Past Members list. I would hope that if you can do something from that list it would also "resume" his/her subscription, rather than create a new one. If they re-join, or you Invite or Direct Add them I'm not sure that new subscription would automatically re-connect to their prior content or settings.
Shal


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How to resubscribe someone who was unsubscribed for "marking spam"

 

Is it possible to somehow move a subscriber from the Past Members' List back to the current Members' List
or must I direct subscribe them again
And, if I resubscribe them, will there be a conflict because they are already in the Past list?
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Re: Group denied?

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On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 10:44 PM, poikaa3 wrote:
??? I have started a new groups.io for the SONY short wave receiver the SW55....? Usually this does not take long but when I checked my email I was taken aback that it was denied! Here is a copy of the email....

Your group has been denied

[email protected] Notification <[email protected]>

11:21 AM (9 hours ago)
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to me

Hello,

This is an automated message. Your group [email protected] has been denied. The reason is that groups that are just advertisements for goods or services are not permitted.

The Groups.io Team

?? This group was to be formed to get away from the restrictions recently found on the Yahoo groups and I have transferred several groups already in the same manner. Maybe I should try again seeing this was from an automated part of groups.io

any suggestions?? Thanks Rod

Rod,

If you are saying that the group is not for advertisement of goods or services, then report your concerns via email to support at groups dot io?

If that is the purpose of the group, then it would seem you need to continue to look elsewhere.

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