On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 12:19 PM, Epicatt2 wrote:

Even so it seems to me that an optional profanity filter which would be editable based upon one's group and it's thrust could still be useful.

I doubt that anyone could argue this.? Optional being the key word, and editable based upon the standards of a given venue.

Those who want it can use it, and those who don't, don't have to.
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@Glenn -- Couldn't agree more. I used to worry about this stuff, but now that bandwidth, storage, and compute cycles are so abundant, I no longer care. Top quote, bottom quote, use html, encrypt and decrypt to your heart's content. Passing back and forth a string of wordy html emails that starts at the beginning of time takes fewer resources than almost any amount of YouTubing.? It doesn't make a dent in the wealth of resources we enjoy today. It's the 21st century.

On the other hand, use plain ASCII if you like and hang to your familiar equipment. My only caution is security. Folks should realize that the old gear and software may feel more secure because cybercrime was not as prevalent in the past, but old equipment and software is usually quite easy to hack into. Sysadmins used to think it was a routine part of their job.
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That depends on what speed of internet connection you have. Some, especially at
busy times, are not much faster that the old dial-up (and some people may still
be forced to use that).

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Thanx to all who replied to my original question. Those replying have offered some sensible and varied suggestions which were useful points of view for me to consider.

Even so it seems to me that an optional profanity filter which would be editable based upon one's group and it's thrust could still be useful. That of course presumes that a group's moderating team well understands both their group's intent and its membership.

I'm sure not everyone will agree with me here, but that's what makes for diversity.

Much Appreciated!

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It might be time to do the browser ritual, trying different browsers like Firefox, Internet Explorer, Chrome, Opera, and maybe some others. Disable Antivirus also just while you're uploading any file. It may be an overly ambitious anti-malware program giving you the message about an insecure site.

Donald

On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 11:30 PM, Shal Farley wrote:

If there is a file size restriction, what is the maximum file size
that can be uploaded?

It looks like the limit is 20 MB.


That's a pretty old message. You might post a suggestion in beta that the current limit be displayed on the upload page and/or elsewhere more visible.

Issues file large file uploads were also discussed here: /g/GroupManagersForum/topic/30953352
I've still had no update on the ticket I raised.

Andy

Jim,

Others, including myself, can upload html files without issue.

Please provide specific details such as what UI you are using to upload the file, device details (computer / smart phone / tablet?), browser or email, file extension, file size, etc.? Perhaps then we can figure out what is going wrong for you.

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For what it is worth, I had to upload a considerable number of pictures to the Photo folder when we moved from Yahoo, and I did find that, if I tried to do too many at once, the system froze.? I don't remember what "too many" meant, I'm afraid. I just learned to do them in small batches.

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As Mark said,? my problem must have been because I tried to upload a series of files that exceeded the 20mb total but no file was over 10mb and most were well under that.? As a test tonight I tried to upload an HTML file (or which was the one and only html file in the 42 files I was trying to upload to the files section) and I got a message saying that the (groups.io) server was insecure.? Then after 10 or 15 seconds I got the "can't connect" message.? So apparently we can't upload HTML files even though Mark said there were no restricted filetypes.

Thank you.

Jim

Paul M,

Haven't seen anythng about one but, is there any sort of prohibited
word list option on Groups.io that can be set up and turned on?

Nope. But I think there have been suggestions along those lines.

Something that could maybe be set to automatically edit curse words to
an ersatz word.

I think the suggestion was more along the line of causing those messages to be automatically held for moderation (in an unmoderated group, or where otherwise the message would not have required moderation). That way the group moderators can decide whether the usage is appropriate or not; and if not what to do about it.

Shal




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On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 10:03 AM, Glenn Glazer wrote:

Even profanity can't be completely stopped by blacklists and the like, in part because different people legitimately have a different sense

And one persons 'profanity' is anothers name__? refer .

The answer is no. And 'moderation is the answer. Intervention and education is a form of control.
Given admin/ Mods/ owners do nothing but complain about their members activities- removing the offending terms from the site is also a requirement.
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Minh Tran wrote:

When the user sees the pink
"You are not subscribed to this group with this email"
you can shorten the pink portion up to the length of the text
and to the right of it should be the Join This Group button

In beta #21312, Bruce Bowman replied:

It's likely that the person is already subscribed.

Bruce, I may be missing something obvious, but can you explain your inference?

I dragged this back to GMF because I don't feel that this "merit of the suggestion" kind of discussion is germane to beta, but on its face it seems to me that the suggestion has merit, and I want to understand your lack of support.

Encouraging them to subscribe a second address does not serve to
explain what happened and will only cause further confusion when they
begin to receive duplicate messages from the group.

That part I understand, given the premise that the person seeing that pink banner is already subscribed under a different address.

But isn't that an edge case? That is, I'd assume that most people browsing the list of groups, if they are signed in at all, would be signed in with the one and only address they use in Groups.io groups.

Shal


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Hi all,

This week's change log:



Feel free to reply to this topic if you'd like to comment on the
changes. Or better yet, if you expect a lot of discussion start a new
topic (or rejoin an existing one) about a specific change.

CHANGE: For emails originating from the website, we replaced the
X-Originating-IP header with two new headers, X-Originating-Location
and X-Originating-Platform

That's interesting. I'm glad to see that the IP address is not lost, it is included in the new Location field. The new info is not retroactive to prior messages, they still have only the IP address field.

I'm not sure if this info would be of any interest to most group moderators, but in a group like GMF the Platform field can answer the "which browser, which OS" question that sometimes comes up.

NEW: When specifying a yahoo group to transfer, you can now specify a
list of people to exclude from the transfer process.

There's the direct solution to Prasad's dilemma. Excluded is also the content (messages, photos, files, etc.) posted by people using the specified addresses. Not excluded (of course) are messages containing other member's quotes of the excluded people's messages.
/g/GroupManagersForum/message/16667

NEW: In pending subscription notifications, include the pending
subscriber's platform, browser, location and IP address.

This still has some of the limitations of just an IP address in terms of identifying whether this applicant is the same person as a prior member or applicant, but it may help some group moderators.
/g/GroupManagersForum/message/16334


Comments about these are welcome:

CHANGE: When viewing a database table in map view, changed the
formatting of the rows to match the non-map view and added in the
ability to collapse columns.
CHANGE: When viewing a database table with an address, the [Map] link
now opens up in the new page.
NEW: New /getpastmembers API endpoint and lots of little API
documentation fixes.
CHANGE: Changed the expiry of login links from 2 hours to 24 hours.
NEW: Barracuda Networks firewalls are sometimes blocking messages from
us, for reasons I don't yet understand. The bounce message was being
interpreted as a hard bounce, but the blocks are not consistent, so
I've changed the bounce parsing for these messages to treat them as
soft bounces instead.
INTERNAL: More work on automating adding and monitoring new machines.
NEW: Upcoming event summary email for premium groups.

Please call out any you find significant.

Shal


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On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 05:02 PM, Rob Bulnes wrote:

what is the maximum file size that can be uploaded?

Apparently it depends to some extent on how busy the servers are, how big the file is, type of file, etc.? I've uploaded a couple of files (pdf) near 500MB (for testing storage limits on a free group) and had no problems other than the amount of time it took.

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Rob,

If there is a file size restriction, what is the maximum file size
that can be uploaded?

It looks like the limit is 20 MB.


That's a pretty old message. You might post a suggestion in beta that the current limit be displayed on the upload page and/or elsewhere more visible.


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It is worth remembering that "profanity" is but one of a number of things that are not allowed under the Terms of Service, and as yet no AI is going to stop them!

Even profanity can't be completely stopped by blacklists and the like, in part because different people legitimately have a different sense of what profane is. I was once in the baggage claim of BMI and speaking to my wife said, "What the hell..." and a nearby woman said, "Excuse you." Apparently, that was sufficient to offend her. I'm personally at the other extreme: no words are profane to me. People can hurt each other perfectly well without profanity and not hurt people when using them. Intent, not verbiage, matters to me. And there is no blacklist in the world that can filter on intent.

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With all due respect, it actually doesn’t answer the question. If there is a file size restriction, what is the maximum file size that can be uploaded? I’m paying for storage, it’s not much good if I can’t use it.

On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 03:22 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

That being said, on really high traffic groups that are unmoderated (and my that I mean that they're not reviewed on a message by message basis like this one is) it is very easy for something to slip through.

That is certainly true, but while not commenting on whether a Profanity Stopper might or might not be useful or practicable, and accepting that responsibility for what children can see is in the first instance down to parents, I still don't think that group owners and moderators can slope shoulders and deny any responsibility for maintaining proper conduct of their group's members; while they won't be able to stop individuals originating inappropriate material they are in a postion to do something about it, even if that something has to be after something nasty has been sent out and either spotted by themselves or on the basis of a complaint from another member or several.

It is worth remembering that "profanity" is but one of a number of things that are not allowed under the Terms of Service, and as yet no AI is going to stop them!

At the risk of repeating myself from my previous post IMHO owners and moderators have to be the first line of defence against inappropriate material being posted, and that must apply even on unmoderated groups.

Chris

On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 10:05 PM, Rob Bulnes wrote:

And is there a file size restriction? I know every time I try to load a large file it just hangs.

Jim Pruitt forwarded a copy of Mark's thoughts on the matter, and you quoted it, as in you quoted the answer to your own question. :)

Chris