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I own a Group (FTDX-101MP). How do I give members permission to upload files ?

Thanks, Dick, W1KSZ


Re: stop the posts!!

 

You can also edit and flag the subject line of the topic with a red hastag which says "#TOPIC-CLOSED!"

Then choose hashtags from the L sidebar and for that hashtag choose edit and set the hashtag to 'Locked'. That will block any further posts to that thread unless someone alters the subject line in their reply.

OK ¡ª HTH

Paul M.
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Re: stop the posts!!

Brian Vogel
 

Yes, lock the topic.? ?You've lucked out in that someone decided to reply to a message you already deleted, thus reviving the topic, which you can now lock.

It also does not hurt, as part of a "This topic is now locked/closed" message, to note that any attempt to start it under another guise will be dealt with severely.? If you do have the unfortunate situation where there's an obscenity in the topic title you can actually edit that in your outgoing message then lock the original offending topic and the new one you've created.

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Re: stop the posts!!

 

Brook,

I deleted the topic but reply to the post are still coming in. Is
there anyway to stop this?
1) If you haven't already, go to your group's Settings page and click the Moderated checkbox.

Until the topic peters out you'll have to manually approve good messages, and reject or delete those on this bad topic, but it will put a stop to the on-going back-and-forth, which should eventually cause people to quit replying.

2) Post your own reply to this topic, telling members that the topic is "closed" (or words to that effect) and not to be discussed further. If your email interface put a quote of the message you replied to in your reply, delete that. Leave only your own text.

This could be problematic if the Subject line itself contains a obscenity or other text that you really can't bear to repeat. In that case make up your own Subject text, but what follows won't apply.

Optionally:

3) Go to the group's web pages and mark the topic as "Moderated" or "Locked" (your choice). Those options will be found in the More menu under your message - which should now be the only message in this topic. Assuming you've deleted or rejected the rest.

4) You may now remove the check from the Moderated box in your group's settings (if the group doesn't normally moderate messages). Messages in other topics will post normally, but those in reply to the forbidden topic will now be sent to your Pending folder, or rejected ("bounced") outright.

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stop the posts!!

 

so a parent in my group started a political thread which is specifically stated not to do. I deleted the topic but reply to the post are still coming in. Is there anyway to stop this?

I just keep deleting the posts with the same topic title


Re: Moving between pages on member lists #membership #listmanagement #members

 

On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 05:23 PM, Barry wrote:
moving between the roughly 14 pages (20 members shown per page)
On your own Account, under Preferences, you can change that to 50 or 100 items per page.? Infinite scroll is also an option, but doesn't work on some pages, such as databases.? I haven't tried it on the Members page.

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Re: Moving between pages on member lists #membership #listmanagement #members

 

Thanks so much for this, Paul. ?Good ideas/workarounds all. ?As I'm a new group, this challenge with respect to topic queuing isn't yet an issue but likely will be in relatively short order. ?For us, it came up due to member sorting. ?Namely, moving between the roughly 14 pages (20 members shown per page) is a fairly manual process. The date-solution analog here could be the "Applied" column at far right in "Members" view which allows you to jump to first member joined or most-recent member joined by toggling the Date header. But that isn't so helpful when 95% of your members were all migrated on the same date. ?I've submitted this to the beta group. Not sure if it'll be seen or considered since Mark is on vacation and, as my first beta submission, I'm not sure how many realistically get acted upon.

Barry


Re: Are owners/Moderators notified when someone resubscribes

 

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>I think the best way to handle member upset over auto-unsubscibe is
>for an Owner or Moderator to correspond with the person and explain what happened.
>If Owners leave it up to the system the member will feel like they are being handled totally by bots.

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Bob, I agree we need to communicate with our members, but why not prevent the confusion so that we do not have to undo a mess. I'd rather lock the gate while the horses are penned up than to tell the rancher to lock his gate after his horses are out.

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Re: Blue bounce symbol

 

Sandy,

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Whenever we have had this problem, it's because the member's email account is sending messages to spam. Groups.io has to then bounce the member in order to protect the whole system.
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Don't confuse Bouncing (blue) or Bounced (red) status with Removed for spam.
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Messages which are delivered to a member's Spam folder had to have first been accepted by the email service, not rejected ("bounced"). Those messages do not result in Bouncing or Bounced status. But they can result in being removed due to a Spam report, which results in the member's removal from that one group.
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Conversely, messages rejected by the email service cannot end up in a Spam folder and cannot result in a Removed for spam report event. But they can result in Bouncing or Bounced status, affects all group subscriptions held by that email address.
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Once it's "not spam," they should have no problem receiving the bounce probe which will include a link to "unbounce" their account.
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That's the one way in which the two mechanisms are related. It is possible for the bounce probe to go to the member's Spam folder. So if a member is having trouble unbouncing their account it makes sense to ask them to check their Spam folder to see if the bounce probe was misdirected there.
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Re: Blue bounce symbol

 

Whenever we have had this problem, it's because the member's email account is sending messages to spam. Groups.io has to then bounce the member in order to protect the whole system. (We've had this mainly with yahoo accounts.) Our first suggestion is always to ask the member to check their spam. They need to mark it as "not spam" and return it to their inbox before deleting anything they don't want, or their email provider will think they still want it designated as spam.

Once it's "not spam," they should have no problem receiving the bounce probe which will include a link to "unbounce" their account.

~Sandy


Re: Are owners/Moderators notified when someone resubscribes

 

I think the best way to handle member upset over auto-unsubscibe is
for an Owner or Moderator to correspond with the person and explain what happened.
If Owners leave it up to the system the member will feel like they are being handled totally by bots.

Owners & Moderators do have a responsibility toward their subscribers and this is one step in cementing that relationship.

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Re: Moving between pages on member lists #membership #listmanagement #members

 

On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 12:00 AM, Barry wrote:


. . . thing which prompted this has to do with navigating a group membership list.
. . . when looking at "Members" for a group, at lower right are the page numbers
and obvious how one can click on whatever page or click through them to see
the entirety of a list. ?[snip]
?I'd love to suggest the inclusion of double arrows at left and right of those
single arrows to speed navigation.
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Hi Barry,

This is not a precise answer to your question here, but I hope it offers you some partial workarounds in lieu of the double arrows you suggested, so . . .

While at your groups.io group site:

Click on the 'Messages' button in the L sidebar and then choose 'topics' from the options at the top of the message page.

Once the messages are displayed as a list of topics you can then click on the blue 'Date' link near the top right to reverse the order of display of the messages. This lets you toggle the oldest posts, so that they display at the top of the list (just below any pinned messages) or back again to newest first.

Then you can use the forward page arrow buttons to navigate back towards the newer messages.

I believe one other way to go about locating an older post is to know its message number or guess its approximate number and then navigate with the singel arrows near the top of the list.

And one further way is on the Homepage of a group: Near the bottom is a grid showing the number of messages in each month of every year that the group has been in existence. That month's number is a link which will take you to the first message in that month.

Fiddle around a bit with these several suggestions and you should be able to navigate to the message(s) you want fairly easily.

OK ¡ª HTH

Paul M.
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Re: Is there a way to find out if someone is already subscribed to a different group

 

I wrote:
I don't think you (a group admin) can find out whether someone is a member of other groups. That would be a kind of privacy bug if you could.


In another topic Bruce wrote [GMF #16408]:

The Recent Bounces list in your subscriber's member record will display activity from your group only. With the understanding that his account's bouncing status could have originated from failed delivery of messages in a different group


So, there's one way information about whether or not a member is subscribed to other groups "leaks". If you have a member with Bouncing or Bounced status, yet their Email Delivery History shows no Recent Bounces, then it is reasonable to conclude that the member holds at least one other group membership. I've even seen cases like that in my groups, so I should have remembered that (in both topics).

That's a case that I don't think can be cured, absent removing the Email Delivery History altogether. Which would fit the saying "a cure worse than the disease".

Shal

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Re: Are owners/Moderators notified when someone resubscribes

 

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Hi Shal,

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Again thank you. Many of our members are NOT technical savvy and would be lost in a lot of what is posted on the FAQ. As a retired techy I have written more than my share of overly technical papers to non-technical people and now I wish I had some of my critiquers available <SM>.

As I don't want to fill this group with my attempted explanation to our members, I will forward it to you off group.

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Again thanks,

Ken

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Re: Blue bounce symbol

 

On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 08:56 AM, Bob Cook wrote:
How can I get a more detailed error report giving the rejection code?
Bob -- The Recent Bounces list in your subscriber's member record will display activity from your group only. With the understanding that his account's bouncing status could have originated from failed delivery of messages in a different group, you may have to direct him to look it up himself (/account?page=bounces) to get a full picture of what's going on.?

Hope this helps,
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Re: Are owners/Moderators notified when someone resubscribes

 

On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 04:50 PM, Ken Schweizer wrote:
In our case the member's primary language is English, thus a language barrier is not the issue.
I'm not sure that that assertion is correct; you can have no idea what the first language of the person who wrote the ISP's spam detection software is.

That said, you and your member still have my full sympathy.

Chris


Re: Are owners/Moderators notified when someone resubscribes

 

Ken,


In our case this member has been hesitant to post to the group and the auto-Unsubscribe-message coincidently went out the day after their first post.

Ouch. I can see why he/she might jump to the wrong conclusion.

It might not be entirely coincidence. Some email services tend to view messages that arrive "From" your own email address as more likely to be spam. That potentially could have triggered the report back to Groups.io; but it really shouldn't have, or at least not until the message auto-deleted from the Spam folder.?

I don't know if it would help, but you could point the member to GMF's wiki page on the subject:

That might help him/her see the situation dispassionately.

Shal


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Re: Blue bounce symbol

 

Bob,


I looked and he had a blue B symbol, but the only error message I could find was a general message that it was a system error which I believe just means the message was delivered and I assume Cox rejected it.?

Odd. Where did you find this error, and what did it say?

The only place I can think of that you might have looked (below) would have given you the rejection code.


How can I get a more detailed error report giving the rejection code?

As Bruce said, the Reason column under Recent Bounces on the Email Delivery History tab of the member's page from your group's Members list.
That will contain the response code and text provided by Cox. Any further detail about what it means you (or that member) would have to get from Cox, or post the text here for opinions.

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Re: Are owners/Moderators notified when someone resubscribes

 

Shal,

Their subscription settings are retained, including Posting Privileges.
Thank you for clearing that up for me.

In our case this member has been hesitant to post to the group and the auto-Unsubscribe-message coincidently went out the day after their first post. I believe the member read the auto post as saying that they were unsubscribed due to posting a message the owners thought was SPAM. In our case the member's primary language is English, thus a language barrier is not the issue. I believe the member quickly read the auto-message, read what they had "FEARED MAY" be the reaction to their post and reacted emotionally to what they "THOUGHT" was intended in the auto-message.

I'd like to suggest four small changes, including strategic CAPITALIZATION, to the message to ensure our members read it as intended. I don't think we can be too simplistic when telling a member that they have been removed from a group.

You have been automatically removed from the GROUPNAME because "YOUR" Email Service Provider reported to us that one or more messages "SENT TO YOU" from GROUPNAME has been marked as spam "BY YOU OR YOUR E-MAIL PROVIDER and NOT DUE TO ANY POST FROM YOU". We suggest that you check your spam box as soon as possible to see if "YOUR" Email Service Provider has diverted legitimate messages into it.

Ken

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Not to speak is to speak.
Not to act is to act."
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Re: Blue bounce symbol

 

On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 08:56 AM, Bob Cook wrote:
One of my members is complaining about not getting emails. His provider is Cox.?
I looked and he had a blue B symbol, but the only error message I could find was a general message that it was a system error which I believe just means the message was delivered and I assume Cox rejected it.?
Note, other Cox.net users are not bouncing.?
How can I get a more detailed error report giving the rejection code?
Open the subscriber's member record (Admin>Members) and click on Email Delivery History at the top. Then click open any messages listed in the Recent Bounces section.

How can I resolve this?
With the member's record still open, you can send them another bounce probe (button at the bottom of the page). Of course, there is no guarantee that they will receive it.

See also?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/dealing-with-bouncing

Bouncing is an account status, not a group status; and ultimately it is the subscriber that needs to take action. Clearing bounce status won't accomplish much if the recipient's email service immediately resumes bouncing groups.io messages.

More information on bounce handling than you probably ever wanted to know can be found at?/static/help#bouncing

Regards,
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