Thanks, Frances. ?I had, in fact, checked the wiki but I found it confusing. ?After your response I logged out then went to the home page to see what it looked like and the wiki made more sense. ?I even had a log-in link sent to me so I would see what it looked like. ?What I was really wondering was whether password creation was part of the joining process (an option offered at some point) or whether the extra step described in the wiki is necessary. ?I'm assuming the extra step is necessary.
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Re: Has the GMF Yahoo group Migrated to io?
Hi Shal,
Thank you for the explanation. I haven't use the io group much at all. What's the simplest way to log in to see my io status. I'm currently using my gmail account. Can I go into my preferences and change it to a Yahoo account?
Great! My email account is @, so I don't need to be concerned.
Judy
On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote: Judy,
In answer to your Subject: No.
I consider the GMF here on a "sister" group to the one on - both are about best practices for group management, but each focusing on its own platform.
So I've deliberately not transferred any members or messages or other content from the yahoo group to this one.
There may be some content, concerning member management or other topics that are independent of hosting platform, which would ideally be duplicated in both groups for the benefit of both communities. I've not made an effort to curate such content across groups; and I think I'd have to be careful about citing messages so as not to create confusion.
> My real question has to do with the ATT Yahoo email accounts. How can
> I find out if it affects me. I don't know who hosts my Yahoo email
> account.
If the address is @ you're fine (hosted by Yahoo). Likewise @ and @.
If your address is @att or @sbcglobal, or maybe a few others, then you should have been notified if you are affected.
Shal
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Re: AOL truncates message titles, causing lack of threading
AOL truncation examples: Julie, poop with puddle of blood, newly diagnosed IBD/SCL was truncated to Julie, poop with puddle of blood, newly diagnosed IBD/SC 57 characters to 56 characters OT -- can a cat be affected by radiation by lying near or on a computer and/or the monitor? was truncated to OT -- can a cat be affected by radiation by lying near or on... 80-90 or so characters to 56 characters, not counting the ellipses (and depending on how you count?)
It seems that AOL's limit is 56 characters.
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Re: Has the GMF Yahoo group Migrated to io?
Judy, In answer to your Subject: No. I consider the GMF here on groups.io a "sister" group to the one on yahoogroups.com - both are about best practices for group management, but each focusing on its own platform. So I've deliberately not transferred any members or messages or other content from the yahoo group to this one. There may be some content, concerning member management or other topics that are independent of hosting platform, which would ideally be duplicated in both groups for the benefit of both communities. I've not made an effort to curate such content across groups; and I think I'd have to be careful about citing messages so as not to create confusion. My real question has to do with the ATT Yahoo email accounts. How can
I find out if it affects me. I don't know who hosts my Yahoo email
account. If the address is @yahoo.com you're fine (hosted by Yahoo). Likewise @ymail.com and @rocketmail.com. If your address is @att or @sbcglobal, or maybe a few others, then you should have been notified if you are affected. Shal
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Re: AOL truncates message titles, causing lack of threading
Tony, Some email clients truncate the subject. I use Pegasus4.63 and that
chops the subject to 35 char. That's remarkably short. I would have guessed something like 68 or 69 characters, given the original email standard of an 80 character line (less 9 for "Subject: " and two for CRLF with maybe one to spare). Maybe less four more for "Re: " in a reply. I can't see any justification for shortening it to 35 characters. I'm surprised that isn't seen by Pegusus' user community as a serious flaw. Shal
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I’m no longer sure what we’re debating here, or whether we’re actually pretty much in agreement. ? Let me summarise my position: ? - Moderators do need to be able to delete messages entirely, for those rare cases when someone posts something that is totally unacceptable, or their computer turns into a spambot.
- Moderators do not need to be able to edit past posts from other users. If a message isn’t dire enough that it needs to be deleted, then it should be kept exactly as the author wrote it.
- Where a user feels a need to correct something such that the correction may be of significance to other members, they should post a further message specifying what was wrong with their original post, for example: “I wrote ‘land of the free’ but I meant to write ‘police state’”.
- If the original post was significantly in error, the user should be able to annotate it and point out that a correction has been sent out, without reposting the original message. This might just be as simple as being able to set a ‘deprecated’ flag on the original post and displaying it on the website with a big red cross though it or something similarly arresting.
- For those who absolutely have to ensure that their posts are preserved for posterity in pedantic perfection, with no misplaced apostrophe’s and full compliance with there grammatical rectitude, then it would be nice to allow them to do this without the message being respoted and in the full understanding that their changes will not be disseminated to the group.
? So my complaint is that item 5 is lacking in its implementation because any change is always sent out: there isn’t even the option for the user to inhibit this. And it’s precisely this that renders the whole facility useless (for non-moderators). ? ? ?
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Sent: 31 March 2017 17:13
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Subject: Re: [GMF] Editing messages? On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 09:06 am, Richard L King wrote: I don’t agree at all about Mods needing to be able to edit other users posts.
?That's not what I meant. I don't edit members' posts except under the most dire of circumstances. But the mods need to know what's going on, and the other members need to know if there's been a radical change to a post they've already answered (agreed with, etc.). Many don't use the web for reading messages, and even if they did, there's no alert to other members that a post they've responded to has been changed. J
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I am testing Groups.io to move our group from Yahoo. ?I am currently writing up instructions for members on how to get started. Because I am group owner here I can no longer see what new members will see and I am confused about setting up passwords. If I send an invitation and the potential member replies to join, at what point will they be given the option to create a password?
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On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 09:06 am, Richard L King wrote: I don’t agree at all about Mods needing to be able to edit other users posts. ?That's not what I meant. I don't edit members' posts except under the most dire of circumstances. But the mods need to know what's going on, and the other members need to know if there's been a radical change to a post they've already answered (agreed with, etc.). Many don't use the web for reading messages, and even if they did, there's no alert to other members that a post they've responded to has been changed. J
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Er ... I did think about it actually. ? It’s non-optimal because if users can’t make minor edits to their posts without reposting the whole thing, then either the ability will be abused and annoy the hell out of the group (which was exactly my case) or the feature will be disabled, as it seems to have been for many groups and is now for mine. ? And I don’t agree at all about Mods needing to be able to edit other users posts. Delete them occasionally, yes, if they’re really beyond the pale or illegal or whatever. One of the groups (/g/twsapi) I recently transferred from yahoo has over 35000 posts in its archive: I’ve been moderating it for 10 years or more, and I’ve never once felt it necessary to rewrite or edit another user’s post. I have better things to do with my time! ? Richard ? ?
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Sent: 31 March 2017 15:25
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Subject: Re: [GMF] Editing messages? On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 07:15 am, Richard L King wrote: This strikes me as very non-optimal.
I find it absolutely necessary. Think about it. Mods need the ability to control after-the-fact posts that people have already responded to, etc. It's just an unfortunate "side effect" of the fact that groups.io is both an email list and a web forum that emails have to go out for every edit.... J?
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Re: Like a message - purpose?
I didn't think I'd want or use the Like button (since there's no Dislike button ;>), but have since found a use for it. I use it to reduce the "me, too" or "thanks" posts. I want folks to know that I agree and/or support them, but don't need a new post to do that. At present, it only shows up on the posts, but there have been discussions on the beta group about tweaking to possibly make it more useful.
Duane
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On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 08:40 am, Ginny T. wrote:
It's sad to think that editing? could be used that way, but it's a reality.
The good thing about Groups.io is that it also saves the original, so you can click on the Edited button at the right to see what happened. A moderator can delete the original without also deleting the edit, but that I don't see that happening much due to archival needs. (I only did it as a test.) One of my Group Guidelines discourages editing unless it's a critical point, but there are a couple of folks that just have to have everything perfect. Most aren't aware that a new post goes out for each edit and educating them takes care of it. A few don't learn/care, so in those cases, I put them on moderation and can delete the intermediate edits. Duane
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Like a message - purpose?
I've done some digging here but don't come up with anything - can someone help me with what "liking" a message does? Other than showing when messages are being read on a group's page, is there any other purpose/use or are there stats somewhere (other than in the Moderator's Activity Log?) Thanks, Ginny
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One of the first setting I changed when preparing my group was to not allow users to edit their posts. Not only do you get into problems such as you describe, we've had instances (long ago) where it caused problems with "who said what when"? - and it wasn't pretty. It's sad to think that editing? could be used that way, but it's a reality. If a member needs to edit a post due to an error, they will usually post their own correction, or they can send a request to me to edit it for them. Ginny
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On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 07:15 am, Richard L King wrote: This strikes me as very non-optimal. I find it absolutely necessary. Think about it. Mods need the ability to control after-the-fact posts that people have already responded to, etc. It's just an unfortunate "side effect" of the fact that groups.io is both an email list and a web forum that emails have to go out for every edit.... J?
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Re: Can two Yahoo Groups be merged into one Groups.io group
And the results of this move are...! - These were two old groups at Yahoo...one that was started in 2002 and the other in 2008. ?I was nervous before this move. ?Didn't want to screw anything up.
- The move (and merge of the two groups) went off flawlessly.
- All of the messages moved over properly and were intact.
- The photo albums (120+) moved over properly and were intact.
- An unexpected bonus was that membership moved over with their original join date...as opposed to showing as joining on the date moved to groups.io. ?A little thing...but very important.
- All of the group message history display properly...and going all the way back to 2002.
- Group members needed to do nothing. ?Just have to know the new email address for posting messages.
- Had about ~380 at Yahoo. ?The groups.io team was able to move about ~300. ?Of those 300 about ~11 have unsubscribed. ?They were all 'in-actives', so that's fine.
- Have already had positive comments from the membership.
- It feels so good to be away from Yahoo.
Couldn't be happier. ?The groups.io platform is wonderful...a nice breath of fresh air. ?The groups.io team did a great job with this transition. -Jim Coffee-
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This is exactly why many of us (including, eventually, Mark himself, in the beta group) have disabled editing in our groups. We had to fight hard for the disable option.
J
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On Mar 31, 2017, at 2:14 AM, Richard L King < rlking@...> wrote: The ability for users to edit their own posts is potentially quite handy. ? But I had a case last week where a user edited his post six times, making trivial changes, and it went to the group every time – really annoying, especially as you had to look really hard to see what had changed. And when you multiply the time wasted deciding that there’s nothing to see here by the 7000+ members, that’s a lot of wasted time. ? So I chided him and suggested that editing a post to remove trivial mistakes so it’s good for the archive is fine, just don’t send it to the group again each time. But he came back to me yesterday saying that according to support, only moderators have the ability to edit without reposing. ? Is this actually true? If so, I think I’ll have to remove users’ edit rights. ? By the way, thanks to for a great service. It’s such a relief from the misery that was Yahoo! ? Richard King
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And now I can answer my own question, as I’m not a moderator on this group and there was a typo in my initial post (‘reposing’ instead of ‘reposting’, quite accidental I assure you!). Indeed I can edit it but I can’t save it without it being posted to the group again. ? This strikes me as very non-optimal. If a poster makes a silly mistake like mine, where probably most recipients wouldn’t have any trouble understanding what I meant, I can see the value in fixing the message in the archives but no reason at all to send the whole thing out again, though an additional post pointing out the problem could be helpful. ? I would see edit-and-repost as only being useful when the author has made a major cock-up (for example leaving out an important section), such that leaving it in its original form in the archive could be misleading. Even then my preference would always be to reply to the original post pointing out the error, and then maybe editing the original message (but not reposting it) to indicate that the next message in the thread should be looked at as well. ? Anyway, it is how it is and I shall now remove editing rights from all my users. ? Richard ? ?
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Richard L King
Sent: 31 March 2017 10:15
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Subject: [GMF] Editing messages? The ability for users to edit their own posts is potentially quite handy. ? But I had a case last week where a user edited his post six times, making trivial changes, and it went to the group every time – really annoying, especially as you had to look really hard to see what had changed. And when you multiply the time wasted deciding that there’s nothing to see here by the 7000+ members, that’s a lot of wasted time. ? So I chided him and suggested that editing a post to remove trivial mistakes so it’s good for the archive is fine, just don’t send it to the group again each time. But he came back to me yesterday saying that according to groups.io support, only moderators have the ability to edit without reposing. ? Is this actually true? If so, I think I’ll have to remove users’ edit rights. ? By the way, thanks to groups.io for a great service. It’s such a relief from the misery that was Yahoo! ? Richard King
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The ability for users to edit their own posts is potentially quite handy. ? But I had a case last week where a user edited his post six times, making trivial changes, and it went to the group every time – really annoying, especially as you had to look really hard to see what had changed. And when you multiply the time wasted deciding that there’s nothing to see here by the 7000+ members, that’s a lot of wasted time. ? So I chided him and suggested that editing a post to remove trivial mistakes so it’s good for the archive is fine, just don’t send it to the group again each time. But he came back to me yesterday saying that according to groups.io support, only moderators have the ability to edit without reposing. ? Is this actually true? If so, I think I’ll have to remove users’ edit rights. ? By the way, thanks to groups.io for a great service. It’s such a relief from the misery that was Yahoo! ? Richard King
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Has the GMF Yahoo group Migrated to io?
Hi everyone,
I'm really behind the 8-ball. I notice that all my GMF emails are not yahoo.
My real question has to do with the ATT Yahoo email accounts. How can I find out if it affects me. I don't know who hosts my Yahoo email account. I know it's not SBCGlobal. I checked on ICANN but couldn't find it. Can someone help me please?
Judy
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