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Re: How do I have completely my own footer?

 

John,

It may be mail reader dependent. My constituent group will be mostly
reading mail and not discussion groups, so it's hard to say how it
will all be to them.
A system footer is sent out in every message delivered by email. Also a group-specific footer if one has been set in the group's settings. Neither are shown when you look at messages from the group's web pages.

So for your email-receiving members, one format or the other (plain-text or HTML) of footer should be visible in every message via the group, regardless of what email interface the member uses.

The one exception I'm aware of is if the message is sent as HTML formatted, but the user's email interface displays the plain-text content of the message. In that case no footer appears (and I'd argue that's a bug).

Shal
Re: How do I have completely my own footer?

 

John,


> Whenever mail goes to a group there is a lengthy footer tacked onto
> the email ...
>
> This is what I get as an example, which is a long list of links.

If it is a vertical list of links that would be the footer to a plain-text message:

In messages with HTML formatting the footer is somewhat more tidy, showing simple words and phrases rather than the whole URLs.



> ... which I want to eliminate, preferably substitute with my own
> footer.

As Duane mentioned, you can't eliminate the system footer, only add to it.

Shal
Re: Hotmail spam problem - same as aol...?

 

Hi Shal, thanks much. I agree that any mail service removing a user from a list without their direct action is nasty, and it's tough to get a handle on. It's more than frustrating for the use. Thanks for your help, I'll try to have people get their ducks in a row to check spam folders.

Ginny
Re: I have a lot of questions

 

Hi Nicole!

Here's my first question: if you want to have more than one group but
want them to go to different emails do you need more than account in
groups.io <>
Yes.

In Groups.io each account is tied to exactly one email address. If you have more than one email address, those accounts will be treated as if they are separate individuals.

There was talk, some time ago, in beta@ about implementing a mechanism to allow a single Groups.io account to manage multiple email addresses. That hasn't been done yet, but it has made it to the "To Do" list:


I don't know how high in priority it might be.

2nd question: how do I change addys in groups.io <>?
I know I can change addys in account but I mean different addys for
different groups. An example would be how yahoo is and you can pick
different addys but have one account. Any way to do that in group.io
<>
Basically the same answer as the first question: Groups.io does not yet have a feature to manage multiple email addresses from the same login.

Third, why does it keep saying I'm bouncing when I'm not.
I don't know, I haven't experienced that. It may be tied up with what transpired below, but that doesn't really make sense to me.

In view of the first answer, things will seem confusing if you aren't careful to distinguish you (logged in with one address) from that other you (who logged in with another address).

When you're logged in to Groups.io you can hover over your name (in the upper right hand corner) and it will pop up the address you logged in with.

Could this be my fault- I messed up the other day and somehow lost
all my groups ...
I'm not sure I followed all of that action. But it is probably tied up somehow in the fact that each email address (including typos of an email address) appears to Groups.io as a separate individual user.

I have been, and several other people have reported being, very confused by accidentally making a typo in your email address when attempting to log in. "Poof" - it seems like all of your groups are gone, and you're asked to confirm again and ... yeah. That's because you (with a typo) aren't you.

The system tries tries so hard to streamline the process of setting up a new account that it "streamlines" you into confusion when that's not what you were trying to do.

Fourth question: I left out one letter of my addy so now I have no
groups on that addy, I did and was receiving mail but due to my own
screw-up I lost all the groups.
If I've got the picture right, no, you didn't. It is just that your typo doppelganger doesn't have any groups.

Is there any way to get them back or do I have to start all over
again?
It should be as simple as logging out of that typo account, and then logging in again with your email address spelled correctly. The account with the typo'd address could never have been confirmed, so it could never actually get to the point of receiving group messages - only a confirmed address can do that.

The typo address may show up in the Members list for groups you attempted to join while logged in with the typo - but those subscriptions will be marked "NC" in those groups. That means "Not Confirmed" - an email address that hasn't been confirmed does not receive group messages.

Shal
Re: Hotmail spam problem - same as aol...?

 

Hi Ginny,

Has/is anyone else having this problem with Hotmail?
We've had a Hotmail user removed from GMF back in September, and by coincidence just today a Yahoo Mail user. So it isn't AOL alone.

I'm presuming the gmail work-around is applicable again, but it's not
very inviting to have someone kicked off automatically....
In theory the "work-around" is "don't do that" - that is, don't mark group messages as spam. But from others' experience it is more than that.

For AOL (at least) a member must pro-actively review their spam folder and mark as "not-spam" any group message that arrives there. Otherwise those messages lurking in the spam folder are ticking time-bombs that will cause unsubscription when the message is auto-deleted from the spam folder.

That behavior on AOL's part (and possibly Hotmail's and Yahoo Mails') is shocking to me. I don't think they should send these Spam reports unless the user him/herself specifically marked the message as spam.


Looking in GMF's Activity log, in the Member Activity list, there's an Action filter for "removed because of spam report". That's handy for seeing these incidents.

I notice there are two types of log entry: in some cases it shows you (and links to) the message number that was "spammed". I'm presuming that's when the message was from your group, and the ones without a message number are when the message that caused the removal was from another group.

Shal
GMF Owner
Re: Delete Group Before Approval Causes Namespace Problem

 

John,

I added a group called "Clear-Ridge-Water" and then in confusion
deleted it before it was approved. Since then I have not been able to
add it again, as it says name is in use. It of course does not show
up in my group menu. Any ideas on how to "unfreeze" the name?
I think an email to [email protected] would be your best (only) option. Explain what happened and they (Mark) can likely free the name up for you. If I recall correctly there isn't currently a time-out period after which used group names become available once more.

Shal
Delete Group Before Approval Causes Namespace Problem

 

I added a group called "Clear-Ridge-Water" and then in confusion deleted it before it was approved. ?Since then I have not been able to add it again, as it says name is in use. ?It of course does not show up in my group menu. ? ?Any ideas on how to "unfreeze" the name?
Re: How do I have completely my own footer?

 

Right, I did include the footer via cut and paste, but it doesn't show in this reader. ?It may be mail reader dependent. ?My constituent group will be mostly reading mail and not discussion groups, so it's hard to say how it will all be to them.


Thanks, John
Re: How do I have completely my own footer?

 

The part that's added by the site can't be removed, you can only add to it. There has been some discussion about it on the beta group, but I believe Mark has said this is the minimum.

BTW, you didn't include the example, but most of us have seen it.

Duane
Re: How do I have completely my own footer?

 

In case you are puzzled the list of links is not showing up here..... just in email....
How do I have completely my own footer?

 

I am setting up groups and everything is going smoothly with one exception. ?Whenever mail goes to a group there is a lengthy footer tacked onto the email which I want to eliminate, preferably substitute with my own footer. ??

This is what I get as an example, which is a long list of links. ?I've experimented with the Footer setting and it just added what to what is down here.


Ideas?
Re: links and mailto:

 

The link actually works from LibreOffice (where the link was created and copied from) and when the hypertext was copied to gmail. Mark did say it will be fixed in so that these spaces are changed.?



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I have a lot of questions

[email protected]
 

Hello, I just joined today but have searched the group archives before. You all are very helpful. Thank You.

Here's my first question: if you want to have more than one group but want them to go to different emails do you need more than account in

For example, I've got about 5 groups on one email, I don't want another group on the same email so do I need a different account for it.

2nd question: how do I change addys in ? I know I can change addys in account but I mean different addys for different groups. An example would be how yahoo is and you can pick different addys but have one account. Any way to do that in

Third, why does it keep saying I'm bouncing when I'm not. I unbounced myself 10 or 11 times in 2 days, it's not a lot of groups it's mostly the same groups I just unbounced myself from 5 minutes ago. Could this be my fault- I messed up the other day and somehow lost all my groups but I had an alternate addy I use to post before this happened so I got my back but the groups I owned I was no longer owner so one of my co-owners made me owner again but she's sick and neither of my co owners do very much so it's a good thing I regained my? owners status.

Fourth question: I left out one letter of my addy so now I have no groups on that addy, I did and was receiving mail but due to? my own screw-up I lost all the groups. Is there any way to get them back or do I have to start all over again? It's not all bad, I guess because those groups show on my alternate but I would like to receive mail on my main account.

I've been using for many months now and love it. I don't know everything yet but it's so much better than yahoo.

Nicole
Re: Can two Yahoo Groups be merged into one Groups.io group

 

I appreciate everyone's replies.? Based on those replies I intend to communicate the question to Mark (just a sanity check on my part) and then assuming he says he can do it...I'll order the move sometime soon.? Yes, I understand that I need to effectively communicate with the present membership so that we lose as few as possible.? I appreciate this GroupManagersForum.

With best regards
-Jim Coffee-
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On 22 March 2017 at 05:26, Donald Hellen <donhellen@...> wrote:
Jim . . .

On Tue, 21 Mar 2017 07:55:14 -0700, "Jim Coffee" <jim@...>
wrote:

>I have recently created two groups at Groups.io and we are in the process of preparing to port the two groups to when the logic question is asked...why not just put everything into one group?? No subgroups.? Simply both groups come into one group.


It can be done because we did it with our homesteading group Prudent
Living in . We had two very similar groups on Yahoo and
thought it would be best to combine and move them.

Be aware that the files section in your new group will likely need to
be rearranged after the move. Ours was a mess. The group and messages
moved fine.

If you're serious about doing this, get started now as there is (or
was) a limit to how many groups Mark could move in one day because of
some changes at Yahoo. There was a waiting list the last I heard.

Also, unless you personally know everyone in your Yahoo group(s) and
it's a small one, even though you make an announcement, there will be
some who are surprised when it happens. We lost some members who
weren't paying attention.

Explain that they should check their spam folder to unmark (not delete
after reading) any messages from spam to mail so that they
don't automatically get unsubscribed. Many sites are now using various
email provider's spam mechanism to unsubscribe people as part of an
agreement to reduce spam.

Donald
Hotmail spam problem - same as aol...?

 

Hi folks -

I've just moved a large group in from Yahoo. I'd been going through the posts here and learned about the AOL & Spam problem, and did warn my members well in advance. However I just had it happen with someone with a Hotmail address? - the message was marked as spam and they were removed from the group.

Has/is anyone else having this problem with Hotmail? I'm presuming the gmail work-around is applicable again, but it's not very inviting to have someone kicked off automatically....

Help?
Thanks,

Ginny
Re: member got unsubbed

[email protected]
 

It never happened to me but it happened a lot to my AOL members. I use gmail and as far as I know it never happened to any of my members expect the aol ones. AOL users were getting unsubbed almost every day. They all had to rejoin. My co owner who uses AOL and had it happened to her (she said she didn't do anything, it just unsubscribed her) said it was an AOL glitch. I think AOL doesn't use the modern security standards most newer things do but that is just my opinion and I have no proof of that.
Re: Can two Yahoo Groups be merged into one Groups.io group

 

Jim . . .

On Tue, 21 Mar 2017 07:55:14 -0700, "Jim Coffee" <jim@...>
wrote:

I have recently created two groups at Groups.io and we are in the process of preparing to port the two groups to groups.io when the logic question is asked...why not just put everything into one group? No subgroups. Simply both groups come into one group.

It can be done because we did it with our homesteading group Prudent
Living in groups.io. We had two very similar groups on Yahoo and
thought it would be best to combine and move them.

Be aware that the files section in your new group will likely need to
be rearranged after the move. Ours was a mess. The group and messages
moved fine.

If you're serious about doing this, get started now as there is (or
was) a limit to how many groups Mark could move in one day because of
some changes at Yahoo. There was a waiting list the last I heard.

Also, unless you personally know everyone in your Yahoo group(s) and
it's a small one, even though you make an announcement, there will be
some who are surprised when it happens. We lost some members who
weren't paying attention.

Explain that they should check their spam folder to unmark (not delete
after reading) any groups.io messages from spam to mail so that they
don't automatically get unsubscribed. Many sites are now using various
email provider's spam mechanism to unsubscribe people as part of an
agreement to reduce spam.

Donald
Re: Can two Yahoo Groups be merged into one Groups.io group

 

On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 08:49 am, Jim Coffee wrote:

why not just put everything into one group?
Because on a free group space for Photos, Files and attachments combined
is limited to 1 GB.
Re: links and mailto:

 

On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 03:20 pm, LeeAnne Bloye wrote:


So it looks like a bit of user error.
Actually, it's more a site/system error. I believe Mark is planning to have the site do this when needed. I ran into it in another case awhile back, but don't remember what it was. I did another test and using the %20 works, but using an underline saves a couple of keystrokes and doesn't look too bad. (I also tried putting the subject, with spaces, in quotes and that didn't work, like I was hoping it would.)

Bob,
In this case, the space is in the Subject that she wants pre-filled in an email, not the actual domain name, but has the same effect - invalid.

Duane
Re: links and mailto:

 

I just looked up (Google) ? ? ?spaces in url

and got the following :

no, you must encode a?space; it is correct to encode a?space?as + , but only in the query string; in the path you must use %20 .?URLs?are defined in RFC 3986, though other RFCs are relevant as well but RFC 1738 is obsolete. They may not have?spaces?in them, along with many other characters.Jan 31, 2009

[The "path" is the part that contains the domain name and any pre or sub info, e.g.

"www.domainname.com" ? is the Path. ?with a space in it it must be entered as "www.domain%20name.com" , not "www.domain name.com"

--?

Bob Bellizzi

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