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On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 06:03 PM, <k1bke.cvrc@...> wrote:
I pull the group.io calendar feed into a web page.? Events that carry the correct time in the groups.io calendar become one hour early after the time change.
I assume this only happens with recurring events? We don't have any recurring events in our calendar and they seem to cross-post to Google (and by extension, our web site) just fine. Not that it isn't an annoyance either way, but if this really is a bug in GIO calendaring we need to understand the scope.

Thanks,
Bruce
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Re: Email bouncing question

 

Hmmm...this looks very much like the [unhelpful] message GMail gives when you try to post to a group that you aren't subscribed to. In fact I just posted to your group using my GMail account, knowing that I was not a subscriber; and I got exactly the same message back.

If you continue to page down, the actual reason for rejection will probably say something like this:

The response from the remote server was:

510 5.1.1 Your email address,?noname@..., is not subscribed to that group. To subscribe, send an email to?[email protected], or visit?/g/WMRHSMG/join

If you know for a fact that the person is indeed subscribed to the group, then he's probably trying to post with an alternate email address. Look up his record in the Member's List and tell him what email address he should be using. If you can't find his subscriber record, send him an invitation.

Hope this helps,
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Re: Email bouncing question

 

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I sent a bounce probe but they receive nothing.? I tried deleting and reinviting them and nothing.? what can I do?
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On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 01:28 AM, Michael Keiser wrote:
I can not figure out what is going wrong.? can anyone help?
Are the messages being formally "bounced" or are they simply not getting through?

Another possibility is that for some reason the member concerned has had their Posting Privileges set to Override: not allowed to post. Worth checking given that it only takes a few seconds.

Can the member post using the web UI?

Chris


Re: Non Member Posting To Group

 

The original author might have sent the message to the list and bcc'd it to whomever he knew was on the list. A non-careful recipient might think it was from the list and if they hit reply-all, the replies would go to the list.

On Feb 24, 2019 5:06 PM, "Bruce Bowman" <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:

On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 06:04 PM, <dgrass1@...> wrote:
I recently noticed that a non-member attempted to send a message via email to my private group, and they were successful because three of our members responded to the message. As the owner and moderator I did not receive the post from this person, or the three replies by our members that responded. I only discovered this issue when I was checking the Activity of the group. What happened here?
Don -- I'm curious...how do you know that three of your subscribers responded if you didn't get any of the messages?

What are you seeing in the online message archive? If a non-subscriber sent a post and it doesn't appear in the message archive, then he was not "successful." If the non-subscriber's message did actually post, is your group set up to allow that (see Settings>Message Policies)? Could it be that another moderator approved it??

I'm guessing that the non-subscriber sent something (or more likely, replied to something that was forwarded to him) and CC'ed some of his buddies (or vice versa). If they also do a "reply all" and the group address is among the reply-to addresses, those responses will post even when the original message did not.

Things can get messy pretty quickly when someone forwards a group message off-list.

Hope this helps,
Bruce?
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Re: Non Member Posting To Group

 

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Shal,

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What I have discovered on further research is the non-member is a member, but the email address they used to be a member, is not the email address they used to post to the group.

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The post was made to the group using the non-member email address, along with the responses, in the Messages page.

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In Activity it said "Non-member ... attempted to send message ... via email". For the members that responded it says ¡°sent message¡­via email¡±

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The group does not allow non-subscriber posts.

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There is only one other moderator, not one of the people that responded, and Activity does not show that action. The group does not have email integration, and I receive all messages from the group.

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I did search the All Activity tab of the group's Activity log for that non-subscriber email address, and only the "Non-member ... attempted to send message ... via email" showed up.

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Since you mention looking in my Spam folder, I decided to do that. Sure enough all the posts were there (I¡¯ve never had a member¡¯s post go into my Spam folder before), and it looks like one of the members forwarded an email by a non-member. I need to ask that member if that is what they did.

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Don

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Re: Non Member Posting To Group

 

On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 06:04 PM, <dgrass1@...> wrote:
I recently noticed that a non-member attempted to send a message via email to my private group, and they were successful because three of our members responded to the message. As the owner and moderator I did not receive the post from this person, or the three replies by our members that responded. I only discovered this issue when I was checking the Activity of the group. What happened here?
Don -- I'm curious...how do you know that three of your subscribers responded if you didn't get any of the messages?

What are you seeing in the online message archive? If a non-subscriber sent a post and it doesn't appear in the message archive, then he was not "successful." If the non-subscriber's message did actually post, is your group set up to allow that (see Settings>Message Policies)? Could it be that another moderator approved it??

I'm guessing that the non-subscriber sent something (or more likely, replied to something that was forwarded to him) and CC'ed some of his buddies (or vice versa). If they also do a "reply all" and the group address is among the reply-to addresses, those responses will post even when the original message did not.

Things can get messy pretty quickly when someone forwards a group message off-list.

Hope this helps,
Bruce?
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Re: Non Member Posting To Group

 

Don,


As the owner and moderator I did not receive the post from this person, or the three replies by our members that responded.


Did the post or the responses show up in the group's Messages page?

I only discovered this issue when I was checking the Activity of the group.

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What activity was shown? That is, was the original post shown as "Non-member ... attempted to send message ... via email"? Or something else?

Same question for the member replies.

The only ways I can think of for the non-member message to reach the members via the group would be if your group allows non-subscriber posts, and you or another mod approved the post, or your group has an email integration and the non-member used that to post. But either of those would result in the post being in the group's Messages page, and distributed to all members including you (assuming you receive messages from the group).

I guess another possibility is that the "non-member" spoofed a member's email address and posted as that member. But same answer: it would be in the group's pages and would have been sent to you.

So the other option is that the non-member cc'd the message to (at least) those three members off-list, and they responded off-list. But then I can't imagine how you'd see the replies in the activity log.

The remaining possibility, if those three members are also moderators, is that the non-member post was sent to the group's +owner address, and your co-moderators replied. But that still doesn't explain how the replies ended up in the activity log.

So, I'm thinking there's more to this event than you've discovered/reported. Are you sure you didn't receive these messages, perhaps in your Spam folder?

I would search the All Activity tab of the group's Activity log for that non-subscriber email address, with all actions and any date included. This may turn up additional clues.

Shal


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Non Member Posting To Group

 

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I recently noticed that a non-member attempted to send a message via email to my private group, and they were successful because three of our members responded to the message. As the owner and moderator I did not receive the post from this person, or the three replies by our members that responded. I only discovered this issue when I was checking the Activity of the group. What happened here?

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Don


 

I just ran into the daylight saving time issue.? I pull the group.io calendar feed into a web page.? Events that carry the correct time in the groups.io calendar become one hour early after the time change.

Lindsay


Re: Spamfilter

 

On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 02:28 PM, Jim Fisher wrote:
Does that really mean my ID in this group is either 1138723 or 18...46 or
even xyzzy ?
Yes, your group ID is 1138723, but your site ID is 267. (The other number and xyzzy are used for personalization of the unsubscribe link.)? The low site ID says you joined the site very early on.? The much higher group ID says you joined this group much later.

I discovered that if you go to your Account and select the Identity page, you can see that the Edit button for each group includes your group ID for that group.

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Re: Spamfilter

 

Jim,

Does that really mean my ID in this group is either 1138723 or
18......46 or even xyzzy ?
1138723 is the number that identifies your subscription to this group. It is unique site-wide (no other subscription, in any other group, will have that same number).

I believe 18......46 is a random "salt" added so that people can't easily create an unsubscribe link, and then unsubscribe you, just by seeing your subscription ID in the group's Directory.

xyzzy is an Easter egg.
Nothing happens.

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Re: Spamfilter

 
Edited

On the end of this message from the group the unsubscribe link was:
/g/GroupManagersForum/leave/defanged

Does that really mean my ID in this group is either 1138723 or 18......46 or
even xyzzy ?

Jim Fisher

On 23 Feb 2019 at 15:46, Shal Farley wrote:

For those interested, you can find your own subscription (aka group
member) ID in any group in the unsubscribe link in an email footer (I'm
193 in GMF, 9089 at beta).
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Re: member not confirmed

 

Duane wrote:

Is the member getting group emails?? If they're NC, they shouldn't, nor should they have access to any group information.? I've had a few cases where there was an NC account, but closer inspection revealed that they'd made a typo and later joined with the correct email address.? If you're sure it's a good email address (or maybe even if you aren't), you can select that member record, scroll to the bottom, and choose the "Send Confirmation Email" button.? That will send them a new email with a link to confirm their address.? If you find that it was a typo situation, just delete that member.? It should be noted that Inviting or Direct Adding someone will bypass the need for confirmation.
No, the member obviously did?t get emails. But she received the automatically sent questionnaire and answered it. The address is correct. So I did as you said and sent "confirmation email". I hope this?ll work. Thanks.
Victoria


Re: member not confirmed

 

On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 02:48 AM, Victoria wrote:
I have one member which was subscribed to the group, but in the members list it says ¡°not confirmed¡±.
Is the member getting group emails?? If they're NC, they shouldn't, nor should they have access to any group information.? I've had a few cases where there was an NC account, but closer inspection revealed that they'd made a typo and later joined with the correct email address.? If you're sure it's a good email address (or maybe even if you aren't), you can select that member record, scroll to the bottom, and choose the "Send Confirmation Email" button.? That will send them a new email with a link to confirm their address.? If you find that it was a typo situation, just delete that member.? It should be noted that Inviting or Direct Adding someone will bypass the need for confirmation.

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Re: Option to not be told that message was already approved?

 

On 2019/02/24 05:10 AM, Chromatest J. Pantsmaker wrote:

You are saying that groups.io <> returns a 500 (email rejected) error. I'm saying that groups.io <> is sending a reject message.
I hope GMF accepts the attachment I'm sending with this message. Here is the message I received... hopefully it will answer the question.

Samuel


[Mod note: I removed it because it contains personal identifiers (name and email) for some member of Samuel's group. GMF's archives are public so that wouldn't be safe. I can attest that it is a standard mailer-daemon message from Samuel's email service. Relevant parts below]:

From: mailer-daemon@...
Body:
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This is the mail system at host yandex.ru.

I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not
be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below.

You can find the the possible reasons of the undelivered message letter here:


Please, do not reply to this message.


<[email protected]>: host
lb02.groups.io[173.255.221.194] said: 500 This message has already been
approved or rejected. (in reply to end of DATA command)


Reporting-MTA: dns; forward102p.mail.yandex.net
X-Yandex-Queue-ID: E9E8D1D406DE
X-Yandex-Sender: rfc822; samuelmurray@...
Arrival-Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2019 14:24:21 +0300 (MSK)

Final-Recipient: rfc822; [email protected]
Original-Recipient: rfc822;[email protected]
Action: failed
Status: 5.0.0
Remote-MTA: dns; lb02.groups.io
Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 500 This message has already been approved or rejected.
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Re: Yahoo transfer #transfer

 

Brent,

Existing transfers is blank. So, perhaps yahoo is not sending the
invitation?
If you mean that the drop-list contains no entries, then what Bruce said. Your transfer status page is created when you Set Up A New Transfer, not when Groups.io receives the invitation from Yahoo.

Now, you may be right about Yahoo not sending the Invitation. That's been known to happen. But in order for Groups.io to know who sent the invitation, and which Groups.io group it relates to, you must set up the transfer first. Note that the list only shows transfers initiated by you, logged in with the same email address as when you initiated the transfer.

In addition to Bruce's excellent message, see GMF's wiki on the topic:
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Transfer-from-Yahoo-Groups

Shal


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member not confirmed

 

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Hi, everyone,

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I have one member which was subscribed to the group, but in the members list it says ¡°not confirmed¡±. I never had this before. What can I do?

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Victoria


Re: Yahoo transfer #transfer

 

On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 01:53 AM, Brent H Gourley wrote:
Existing transfers is blank. So, perhaps yahoo is not sending the invitation?
If your group to be transferred does not appear in the Existing Transfers pull-down at the bottom of the Yahoo transfer page, you are still in Step 0. Sending the invitation is Step 2.

Full instructions can be found at?/g/GroupManagersForum/message/8697. Do not do anything out of order.

Hope this helps,
Bruce
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Re: saving updates to calendar

 

I am having a problem with this also.? I cannot edit a recurring calendar event.? It does not save the edits at all if I choose All Events?at the "Would you like to change only this event or all events in the series?" prompt.? If I choose Only This Event at the prompt, it does change the first event in the series.? So I tried then to edit each event in the series this way (by choosing Only this Event) and it will not work for any of the events after the first one. Basically there is no way to get an edit to be saved with any event after the first in the series.?

Any recent developments to address this?


Re: Yahoo transfer #transfer

 

thanks for that info. Existing transfers is blank. So, perhaps yahoo is not sending the invitation?

Transfer not showing in Yahoo member list. Transfer must show in member list to be promoted to moderator.