Michael,

Groups.io two levels of users:
“Subscribers”: Those who use email only and have never accessed the
website by logging in.
“Members”: Those who login to the website with a password, including
a ‘login link’ (a temporary password).

You can make that distinction on the basis of a person's habitual usage, but in terms of how Groups.io works there's no difference. Or perhaps you could say that the distinction is whether the user is currently logged in and using the web site, rather than whether they may have done so at some point in the past.

Having Logged in doesn't by itself change anything about the user's account (or his/her memberships/subscriptions). It merely provides them an opportunity to set a password, some preferences, and profile information.

To say users can access the website without a password by using a
‘login link’ is misleading as ‘login links’ are merely temporary
passwords.

No, they are not.

One cannot use a login-link in the same ways that one can use a password and vice-versa. Calling them the same thing is far more misleading and leads to confusions such as the GMF member who recently asked why pasting a login link into the Password field of the login page didn't work.

Links are links, passwords are passwords. They are syntactically and semantically different things.

There is no difference in what access they enable, ...

That much is true. Both are keys to logging in - authenticating yourself to Groups.io, so that your browser session can be associated with your account and subscriptions.

... only the duration of access.

Not even that.

The duration of access is a property of being logged in, not how you logged in.

As Duane explained, it used to be that a login lasted 30-days. That was the expiration time given to the browser cookie that associates your browser session with your account. Not too long ago Mark changed this so that visiting the site renews the cookie; so now the "duration" is 30-days from last visit.

‘Login links’ should always include the explanation that they are
temporary (30 day) ...

Login links are much more temporary than that. They expire 60 minutes after issuance. You have that long to receive and use the link.


Passwords, on the other hand, do not expire.

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On 12/15/2018 19:08, Shal Farley wrote:

I've never used Slack so I can't help with the rest of your question.

Shal

Just to say, as someone who does use Slack and has coded an OAUTH integration at work, that this is not a Slack issue, it is an OAUTH protocol issue. There is likely a bug (hard to say what from here) in the token exchange and groups.io is not receiving/recognizing/validating/etc. a token properly.

There's nothing anyone on this list can do about this, the ball is entirely in Mark's court and the previous suggestions of writing to the support email address is the only viable route forward.

Best,

Glenn

Rob,

I was about to do that but read that when you delete a subgroup, the
name of that subgroup becomes unavailable for later use.

I don't think that's true of subgroups, only primary groups.

That is, in the form: "[email protected]"; or the alias form "[email protected]" (which is also the form used by groups which have no subgroups) only the "primary-name" is required to be unique system-wide and is reserved on deletion.

Then I read someone say that if you rename a subgroup before you
delete it, this won't happen - but that was never verified.

Again, I think this only applies to primary group names. When you rename a group the prior name is not held in reserve.

I've never used Slack so I can't help with the rest of your question.

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Gerald,

I'm more of a VT100 kinda guy myself.

Heh, on shalstest that's actually a CIT-101. That one was photographed a couple years ago for sale on e-bay.

Additional tidbit about the new icons: I just noticed that the icons
also show up on an Android tablet using a Chrome browser. But, only
when viewing in Portrait mode. In landscape mode, I get the normal
Windows PC version.

Which implies... Yup, sure enough.

You can see the new icons on computer if you narrow your browser window enough. That's the "responsive" web design re-formatting things based on the display properties.

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On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 09:25 PM, Rob Gordon wrote:

I have been getting that same OAUTH error message when I try to sync with Slack.?

Rob --

Not many people here have much experience with the Slack integration, as a quick search of the GMF archive will show. You might want to check the following thread in the beta group regarding Slack integration and subgroups:??.?

Hope this helps,
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I have been getting that same OAUTH error message when I try to sync with Slack.? I have a clue as to what is wrong though, and was wondering if someone could confirm my theory.??

I was testing this on a new group that had no messages and at first I got that same message, then the sync seemed to be approved by Slack? ?On looking at it though, I realized I had synced the correct Slack group with the wrong Groups.io group (I have three).? ?I deleted that and then went to the correct Groups.io group - which has a subgroup - but no matter what I can't get it to reauthorize.? ?I know that when you add a subgroup it changes the url for the group so was thinking that might be the problem.? ?The first group I tested it with had no subgroups.?

So easy fix right - the group has no members so just delete the subgroup and try again? ?I was about to do that but read that when you delete a subgroup, the name of that subgroup becomes unavailable for later use.? ?Then I read someone say that if you rename a subgroup before you delete it, this won't happen - but that was never verified.?

Before I go deeper down the rabbit hole could someone let me know if I am on the right track.? First, is the Slack integration generally working for people here?, second is my theory about the authentication problem being related to subgroups plausible? and third, if so, will that renaming trick work before I delete the subgroup?? ?It is a common name and I would hate to lose it.?

Thank you

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NEW: In addition to a cover photo, a group can now have an icon. It's
currently used only on the mobile home page.

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On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 05:25 PM, Shal Farley wrote:

Are you referring to the pie chart icon (for subgroups) and the people icon (for primary groups)? Did you ever wonder why the "paw" has its big toe in the middle? That's a head above a shoulder, flanked by smaller heads and partial shoulders. I always see that one as a weird flower shape, but now that you mention "paw" I can see that too.

Pie charts, paws, flowers - yes, that list. I figured it out. We are in agreement. Only shows up on the mobile interface so far.

And what's the deal with the elephants?

I don't know what prompted Mark to use that dark black-and-white image of elephants as the default group home page image. Maybe he thought it was so off-putting that every group owner would be inspired to replace it. Or, at a stretch I could imagine herd = group as a metaphor.

When setting up GMF I was inspired to use a bright (and color) photo of elephants I'd taken at the San Diego wild animal safari park - as a kind of nod to the default image and to stand in contrast to it.

So naturally (apparently we both thought) elephants for the icon as well. I picked out and cropped my best shot of the juvenile elephant from that same trip to the park.

I'm more of a VT100 kinda guy myself.
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For anyone that finds this subject using a search, the time/format are now fixed,

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Is there anyway to retrieve a deleted group?

I doubt it.

But your best shot would be to contact [email protected] immediately and report the group name. If you haven't done so already.

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Is there anyway to retrieve a deleted group?

Gerald,

I can only see the custom logos when using Chrome on my mobile
(Android cellphone) device.

Right. Mark said it is used only on mobile, so far.

The actual drop-down list only shows the generic "paw" icons.

Are you referring to the pie chart icon (for subgroups) and the people icon (for primary groups)? Did you ever wonder why the "paw" has its big toe in the middle? That's a head above a shoulder, flanked by smaller heads and partial shoulders. I always see that one as a weird flower shape, but now that you mention "paw" I can see that too.

And what's the deal with the elephants?

I don't know what prompted Mark to use that dark black-and-white image of elephants as the default group home page image. Maybe he thought it was so off-putting that every group owner would be inspired to replace it. Or, at a stretch I could imagine herd = group as a metaphor.

When setting up GMF I was inspired to use a bright (and color) photo of elephants I'd taken at the San Diego wild animal safari park - as a kind of nod to the default image and to stand in contrast to it.

So naturally (apparently we both thought) elephants for the icon as well. I picked out and cropped my best shot of the juvenile elephant from that same trip to the park.

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Nelson,

I have set my group to only require moderating posts from members who
have not posted before, ...

There isn't a setting that works as you describe.

The "Moderated" checkbox causes all messages to be moderated (except from members who have an override in their subscription).

The "New Users Moderated" checkbox causes members, when they join, to be given the "Override: new user moderated" in their subscription; causing their messages to be moderated even when the group's "Moderated" box is not checked. After you approve a set number of that member's messages his/her subscription is changed to "Use Group Moderation Setting".

... but now it seems that all posts are requiring moderation.

That probably means you checked the "Moderated" box in the group settings.

Is there a problem in the system?

Not that I'm aware of. Sounds like you misunderstood what the controls do.

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I have set my group to only require moderating posts from members who have not posted before, but now it seems that all posts are requiring moderation. Is there a problem in the system? THanks

On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 01:41 AM, Shal Farley wrote:

NEW: In addition to a cover photo, a group can now have an icon. It's
currently used only on the mobile home page.

The control for it is on the same page with setting the group's cover photo. It will be scaled to fit within 200 x 200 pixels.

It shows up in the Manage My Subscriptions list, to the left of the link to the group. It is cropped to a circle. I thought it might show up on the group's home page (on mobile), but apparently Mark meant the site home page.

Drat. Mark used on beta something close to what I was imagining for GMF.

Shal,

I can only see the custom logos when using Chrome on my mobile (Android cellphone) device. This is where I see my list of groups at ?on the cellphone.

On my PC, I just see the regular list of groups and no icons when clicking on "Manage My Subscriptions" in the Your Groups drop-dwon. The actual drop-down list only shows the generic "paw" icons.

And what's the deal with the elephants?
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What I "call out" is Mark's responsiveness and attention to detail! It always amazes me. Please give him a well-deserved virtual pat on the back from me :)

Holly

On 12/15/18 12:40 AM, Shal Farley wrote:

Hi all,
This week's change log:

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On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 02:06 PM, Shal Farley wrote:

One thing you don't know is whether the email service delivered it to the person's Inbox or Spam folder (or even their Trash). So it is still possible that the person didn't see the invitation if they don't check their Spam (or Trash) folder periodically. Or their Inbox for that matter.

Very true.? I hadn't thought of that.? I will just have to wait and see if the person applies again as they have now dropped off the pending subscription list.
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Hi all,

This week's change log:



Feel free to reply to this topic if you'd like to comment on the
changes. Or better yet, if you expect a lot of discussion start a new
topic (or rejoin an existing one) about a specific change.

NEW: We are now dropping all email from numbered addresses, and
we treat such addresses as invalid when registering on the website.

Just a heads-up if you happen to have any members from that domain, or if you're contacted by someone from that domain that wishes to join. The simple answer is for them to use a different email service. If that's a problem you'll have to contact [email protected] to see what can be done.

I believe the block includes the group's +owner address, so they'd have to contact you at your personal email address.

NEW: In addition to a cover photo, a group can now have an icon. It's
currently used only on the mobile home page.

The control for it is on the same page with setting the group's cover photo. It will be scaled to fit within 200 x 200 pixels.

It shows up in the Manage My Subscriptions list, to the left of the link to the group. It is cropped to a circle. I thought it might show up on the group's home page (on mobile), but apparently Mark meant the site home page.

Drat. Mark used on beta something close to what I was imagining for GMF.


Comments about these are welcome:

BUGFIX (in process): Changed how we store the name of the person who
originated a topic to fix a couple of bugs that would cause the
person's name to not be displayed on the Topics page. Database is
currently being updated to support the fix.
CHANGE: 'Public Groups' -> 'Publicly Listed Groups'
BUGFIX: We were not re-writing gmail.com From addresses for senders
that did not have 'I always want copies of my own emails' checked.

Please call out any you find significant.

Shal


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One thing I did find out when I just tried creating an alias for one of the emails that I use for about 20 groups I am in. If you belong to IO groups using?another email address like I do,?that other email address cannot be used for an alias. Ilene? ? ? ? ?

Thank you very much for the reply.? I will go with plan B
I have sorted the members by email and sorted my external email list as well.??
it will not be to bad selecting the renewed members this way