Hi,
I have a small signature tag group.
I have attached an image of what the member is seeing.? She is still a registered member and her email
address is correct.
Could you please advise me on what to else to check?
Thank you
Kind regards
Linda

Pedja,

That rules out about 96% of my members, or even more.

Not necessarily.

On the one hand you could do it for them. Though I grant that with a large group that might be intolerably tedious, as you'd have to open each individual membership page.

On the other hand, the "Email me a link to log in" feature of Groups.io makes logging in for this purpose exceptionally simple. Click the button, enter your email address, click Send, switch to your email, open the message, click the link. You're logged in.

Nothing to set up, no password to write down or remember. Just click onto the Subscription page and change the setting. Done.

Members are often reluctant to even try logging in, especially refugees from Yahoo, but they can put that nightmare behind them. No ads, no tracking (yes, browser cookies to store their login, but not used to track them), no hassles.

Shal


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On 23.09.2018 09:50, Shal Farley wrote:

And No, unlike some other subscription options, the member can't update their Max Attachement Size without logging in.

That rules out about 96% of my members, or even more.


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On Sun, Sep 23, 2018 at 01:40 PM, Bruce Petrarca wrote:

What is the maximum number of subscribers that a single group account can support?

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We are looking at moving a couple of Yahoo groups, one has 7000+ members.

There is a maximum number of MESSAGES that the transfer agent will move without you paying for a year's upgrade to Premium. I'm having trouble finding it in the beta group at the moment, but IIRC it's capped at the most recent 100,000 messages. So that could come into play.

I don't believe there's any such restriction on the number of subscribers.

Hope this helps,
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Pedja,

I usually administer groups that need archive of messages and
attachments to stay intact. That means archive grows up and I need way
to prevent someone to fill it in with unnecessary large data.

Agreed. I think there needs to be a way to protect useful attachments from the auto-delete of old attachments, while still letting the clutter be auto-deleted.

Drew's idea of moving them to a permanent folder/album has been suggested before in beta and I think that's a good way to handle it.

Actually, if attachment is to large it should be delivered using some
other, external, means, and provide link.

Email is not supposed to be used to send unsolicited large data.

I do agree with this, actually.

It is why I generally have set my Yahoo Groups to "HTML - Include Attachments as links". Yes, even though that flies in the face of the argument I've made in favor of letting the member decide. But Yahoo Groups doesn't let the member decide, and it has a couple of advantages in this regard:

1) The 100 GB allocation for photos and attachments. None of my groups has yet approached this total.

2) The passed links were coded with access to a folder containing just the attachments for that message - and that link worked even for email-only members (sign in not required). Alas, the Neo redesign lost that feature along the way.

Secondly, this would not prevent anyone to send info, just prevents
users to send far to large attachments. Users can always upload on on
some site, and provide link. That is the whole point.

"On some site" - why not the group's site? That's the effect I have in Yahoo Groups, the members don't need to find, learn to use, and trust in some other site. And since most of my Y!Group members are email-only, letting them "upload" the file by email makes sense.

I know what the counter-arguments are in Groups.io. Firstly the limited storage, and secondly the lack of privileged links (though that is mitigated by the ease of logging in with Groups.io).

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On Sun, Sep 23, 2018 at 02:38 PM, Charis Austin wrote:

Do the messages need to be html?

Yes. These are mailto: links and do not work in plain text.?

See also??

Hope this helps,
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I don't believe there's a limit.? Looking at the groups in the directory, there's one with over 500k (updates - for the site) and a bunch in the 6-12k range.

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What is the maximum number of subscribers that a single group account can support?

To insert manually or to use in plain text in an email, hold down the ALT key and type in 0149 on the numeric keypad for ? .

??? This also appears to work for on-line message posting.
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Dano

Nick,

Does anyone have an explanation of when a topic should be addressed
to all or just to the subgroup? I want people to be able to easily
decide who to send a message to and obviously, there are overlaps.

In my PTA group it is relatively clear-cut.

All of the PTA unit members (those that wished to participate) are in the primary group, which I renamed from "main" to "members". The elected board members are in a subgroup named "board". I have other subgroups for various working committees (event planning, etc.).

That makes it pretty clear, in most cases, where one should send a given message according to which subgroup of the membership "needs to know". When discussing the details of planning an event the message should go to that subgroup rather than clutter the inboxes of the entire membership. Likewise if you're discussing something sensitive it most likely should go to the board, not to a committee or the whole membership.

In my PTA group there's a strong mapping to "real life" subgroups of people who share a common interest or function within the PTA unit. Your group's situation may be different, but you may be able to apply the same principle of forming the subgroups around common interests within the overall membership.

Shal


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On Sun, Sep 23, 2018 at 03:22 AM, Shal Farley wrote:

When You set limit on incoming mail, that means message would be
bounced and sender would be informed that his message is too large
(that actually happens on each classical mail server, when someone
tries to send too big email).

That presumably happens with Groups.io as well, but the limit might be much larger than classical email servers, and would not be under an individual group's control.

I seem to recall a discussion in beta on how big an email could be and still be remailed to subscribers (again, assuming they were set to "unlimited"). It was something like 100MB or a ridiculously high number along those lines.

As best I can tell, groups.io does nothing to throttle down how big of an attachment someone could place on a message composed using the online message editor (or uploaded to the Files area, for that matter). So we cannot hang our hat on huge messages being bounced by intervening mail servers.?

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I assume you are using the online message editor?

• Doing that, I am

able to bullet selected
lines by simply placing

• the mouse cursor in that

line and then hitting the

• "bulleted list" item on the menu bar.

You can also toggle it on while you are typing and toggle off when you are done. Each carriage return in this mode generates a new bullet.

This using Firefox in Windows XP. Works the same way in Chrome on W10. What is your hardware/OS?

I hope this helps, but it probably doesn't.

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Oh I must say this. I belong to Yahoo groups and Google groups. In those groups the AOL and Yahoo email addresses do not?have the CC there. It is only seen in Groups IO. ? Ilene ? ? ? ? ?

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I will look into that. Sometimes it seems that there are duplicates, other times there isn't. It just shows the CC for those two types of email addresses. I will watch for it today and then take a look at both headers if the same mail is coming in twice. ? Ilene ? ? ? ? ? ?

It really depends on the group.? As was mentioned a few days ago, one person has the main group set as announcement only.? Any discussion takes place in a subgroup.? Having specific names would help here, say Announce for the main group and Discuss for the subgroup.? Others have subgroups for board members or committees.? As you mentioned, there are sometimes overlap, so gray areas do exist.

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I'm using firefox and am unable to bullet specific lines, it's going to the start of the message and giving a single bullet to everything. Any clues please?

Does anyone have an explanation of when a topic should be addressed
to all or just to the subgroup? I want people to be able to easily
decide who to send a message to and obviously, there are overlaps.

Thanks-
Nick Robinson

Pedja,

Does this work with members who do not have groups.io accounts?

Yes, the Default Sub Settings applies to all new subscribers (members).

All subscribers have accounts, even if they've never logged in. That may seem like a subtle point, but there is at least one Account preference which is configured for them automatically by email: their account profile Display Name.

And No, unlike some other subscription options, the member can't update their Max Attachement Size without logging in. But that's a pretty trivial effort with Groups.io.

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On 23.09.2018 09:17, Shal Farley wrote:

> Limiting incoming mail keeps resources for everyone, including members
> and groups.io.
The need to live within a group's storage allocation is a good reason to have a threshold size limit at the group level. And in that context it probably makes more sense for it to apply to the total of the message's attachments, rather than to each attachment individually.

Now there is just option to automatically delete old attachments to provide space for new other than if space is used stop accepting attachments at all. That might work for some daily based information.

I usually administer groups that need archive of messages and attachments to stay intact. That means archive grows up and I need way to prevent someone to fill it in with unnecessary large data.

> If we relay on outgoing limits, then that means that if user did not
> set limit for messages sent to him, he will suffer each time someone
> sends ridiculously big attachments.
True, but as I mentioned previously, some (or these days most) of the members might not "suffer" from large (or numerous) attachments, rather they may prefer to have them delivered rather than having to fetch them from the site.

Actually, if attachment is to large it should be delivered using some other, external, means, and provide link.

Email is not supposed to be used to send unsolicited large data.

> That requires all members of the group to manually set those limits.
True again, but you can help this along by setting the default for any new members who subscribe in the future.

As most groups I administer are actually transferred from many years old Yahoo groups, I have very large number of members that have wrong preset and most of them do not even have groups.io accounts, they just use email.

> After all having such option does not hurt. Ones who needs it will get
> it. Ones who do not need it should not use it.
Well, yes and no.
It doesn't hurt me if none of the groups that I'm in use the feature. But if I'm a member of a group that chooses to limit the attachments, and I have a sturdy email service that doesn't need such a limit, or could tolerate a much higher one, then I am hurt by not receiving the information another member had wanted to send.

Its not that simple.

Firstly, group owner sets the rules. Members just abide rules.

Secondly, this would not prevent anyone to send info, just prevents users to send far to large attachments. Users can always upload on on some site, and provide link. That is the whole point.

Or all members are hurt by having to put up with the original member getting around the limit by breaking up the collection and sending "Part 2", "Part 3", ... messages.

And be banned from the group first time they do that :)

I'm not saying I'm totally opposed to having such a group option. I'm just pointing out some of the downsides from the member's point of view for consideration.

That is ok, but that is what group owner has to decide. Al I asked is to provide option so we can decide.


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