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Re: File is unreadable message when trying to upload a 3 mb .PDF file

 

On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 04:45 PM, Rob Bulnes wrote:
The problem was occurring on trying to upload the file, however, I've re-written the >PFDF, and that seems to have solved the issue.
Glad you were able to get it to work out.

The fact remains, though, that you should be able to upload a file of ANY type, even corrupted files and/or total garbage. Anything groups.io (or your browser) may choose to say about file readability in the upload dialog only affects display of the thumbnail image.

Regards,
Bruce
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Re: Reply to post sometimes results in a new topic

 

Thank you, Duane, but the same problem occurs even when the member replies without changing the subject.
I've just had an instance of this in my group.
(original query) #AIUTO ES>IT gioco di parole
(reply shown as a new topic) Re: #AIUTO ES>IT gioco di parole

I think the problem is the "Re:" automatically added by the mail client when replying to a post.

By the way, when I tried to merge the reply into the original thread I found out that the Merge feature is missing from the drop down menu. The other choices are still there (Lock, Moderate, Make sticky, etc.), but not the Merge option.
What's happened? Did I miss some changes in Groups.io?

Marina


Re: copies of sent messages.

 

Nice feature, indeed!

On Sun, 9 Sep 2018 17:07:09 -0700, "Shal Farley" <shals2nd@...>
wrote:

The feature in Groups.io replaces the Message-ID field* with one of Groups.io's own creation whenever it sends a message back to the member who sent it (the original Message-ID goes out to all other members). This causes Gmail to treat the returned message as something entirely new.

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Re: copies of sent messages.

 

Donald,

Sorry--I thought you were referring to Outlook--the program--and not
the email service.

I believe the OP is talking about Outlook - the program.
The _program_ is capable of receiving your own messages back and does
nothing to interfere. That's what I Was saying but I probably should
have made it more clear.

Again, it is not necessarily the same thing. Outlook - the program - could also notice that the sender of the message isn't the user's account, and react accordingly. I don't know that it does, it was just one of the possibilities.
Outlook.com, the email service, which appears to be what's being
discussed and I missed that fact, may hide duplicate messages that you
sent out.

From prior conversations about Microsoft-powered email services, including Outlook.com, whether or not you originated the message isn't a factor. That is, the message may or may not duplicate anything already in your account. It is merely the fact that the message was delivered by some service outside their own domain that marks it as potentially fraudulent.
I wasn't aware of that function but if I know of someone using Gmail
in IO and they wonder about this, I can help them with that setting.
Thanks!

Does it change the message in some way, enough to make it appear to be
a different message then?

Yes.
With Gmail the situation is different. Gmail inspects the Message-ID field of the inbound message to determine whether that message already exists in your account, and if so does not place the inbound message in your Inbox. That is how it "hides" messages returned by a list service (which generally won't alter the Message-ID on the way through), and also hides duplicates caused by simple handling errors.

The feature in Groups.io replaces the Message-ID field* with one of Groups.io's own creation whenever it sends a message back to the member who sent it (the original Message-ID goes out to all other members). This causes Gmail to treat the returned message as something entirely new.

* The Message-ID field is created by the originating service, and is required to be globally unique. That is, like a serial number it supposed to be exceptionally unlikely that any other message was ever given that same ID. Mail forwarding services (those that just pass the message along) are supposed to pass the Message-ID unchanged, on the basis that they didn't change the content or identifying fields of the message. List services also generally pass the Message-ID unchanged, even though they generally do make small alterations to the message (like add a list tag to the subject and append list footers to the message body).

Shal


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Re: copies of sent messages.

 

Shal . . .

On Sun, 9 Sep 2018 09:17:35 -0700, "Shal Farley" <shals2nd@...>
wrote:


Outlook allows you to email yourself.
That's not the same thing.
Sorry--I thought you were referring to Outlook--the program--and not
the email service.

The _program_ is capable of receiving your own messages back and does
nothing to interfere. That's what I Was saying but I probably should
have made it more clear.

Outlook.com, the email service, which appears to be what's being
discussed and I missed that fact, may hide duplicate messages that you
sent out.

I haven't used Outlook/Hotmail for so long I don't know what behavior
it has.

Groups.io however does have an option in your Account Preferences which
defeats Gmail's detection of an inbound message as "matching" one you
just sent, so that Gmail won't hide the returned copy.

I wasn't aware of that function but if I know of someone using Gmail
in IO and they wonder about this, I can help them with that setting.
Thanks!

Does it change the message in some way, enough to make it appear to be
a different message then?

Donald


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Re: File is unreadable message when trying to upload a 3 mb .PDF file

Rob Bulnes
 

Thanks Bruce. The problem was occurring on trying to upload the file, however, I've re-written the >PFDF, and that seems to have solved the issue.


Re: File is unreadable message when trying to upload a 3 mb .PDF file

Rob Bulnes
 

Yes it was. The file is a .PDF. I've even tried re-saving it out of Acrobat Pro, but I still get the unreadable message.


Re: File is unreadable message when trying to upload a 3 mb .PDF file

 

On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 03:30 PM, Rob Bulnes wrote:
I'm not close to my limit, but getting this message. Any help would be appreciated.
Does it actually say the file is unreadable, or does it say "Couldn't open PDF?"

If the latter, this problem seems to affect only those using the Edge browser. Edge seems to have trouble displaying the thumbnail image in the upload dialog. If you click on the "Add" button anyway, it should still go.

See?/g/GroupManagersForum/topic/23176361#10036?for a previous discussion on this.

Hope this helps,
Bruce
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Re: File is unreadable message when trying to upload a 3 mb .PDF file

 

Was the error displayed in the preview pane of the upload dialog?? If so, the content of the file is most likely not consistent with the file extension.


Re: problem with blocked emails for mymts.net (bellmts.ca)

 

Michael,

If a Bounced (or Bouncing) subscriber tries to post a message to (one of) their group(s):
a) will it be accepted?

No.
It will generate an Activity Log entry Rejected from bouncing member.

b) will it reset their status from Bounced (or Bouncing) to Bouncing (restarting that status) or normal?

No.
c) if it is accepted, is their status only changed if they also receive (without rejecting) that post?

N/A.

Shal


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File is unreadable message when trying to upload a 3 mb .PDF file

Rob Bulnes
 

I'm not close to my limit, but getting this message. Any help would be appreciated.


Re: problem with blocked emails for mymts.net (bellmts.ca)

 

If a Bounced (or Bouncing) subscriber tries to post a message to (one of) their group(s):
a) will it be accepted?
b) will it reset their status from Bounced (or Bouncing) to Bouncing (restarting that status) or normal?
c) if it is accepted, is their status only changed if they also receive (without rejecting) that post?


Re: copies of sent messages.

 

Donald,

Outlook allows you to email yourself.
That's not the same thing.

What makes your own messages returning from an email list different is that they were delivered to your email service by some other service (Groups.io in this case). So your email service (or your email client interface) may interpret that situation as fraudulent (that email address belongs to this service, not that other service.

So it comes down to the email provider. I believe Gmail has a setting
that can be toggled on/off for messages you send out that you also
receive back from a list.
Not that I know of.

Groups.io however does have an option in your Account Preferences which defeats Gmail's detection of an inbound message as "matching" one you just sent, so that Gmail won't hide the returned copy. That's the "I always want copies of my own messages" checkbox.

I don't know if that applies outside of the web interface for Gmail,
though, like when you receive messages from Gmail by POP or IMAP.
It does. When Gmail "hides" a message (from you) that is returned from an email list it does not put that copy into your Inbox, so neither POP nor IMAP will retrieve it (actually IMAP /can/ retrieve it, Gmail hides the returned message in the Sent folder).

Shal


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Re: Use of hashtags

 

Don,

I'm assuming the purpose of the #hashtag in the Subject field, is for
keeping all posts responding to this example "My name is Mark #intro"
together for archival reasons. Is that correct?
It goes beyond responses (replies).

The initial purpose was to provide a tag that can be applied to topics as a target for search, mute, and follow functions. These features allow members to find topics of interest (search), and to control whether or not they receive topics by email (mute and follow).

So in the #intro example, a member could seek out other member's introductions ("I'm Shal #intro and I moderate here") by searching the group's topics for the tag #intro. Or could exclude introductions from his/her email deliveries by muting that hashtag. Or, if the member receives only topics he/she follows, can receive introductions by following that hashtag.

Since then a lot of other topic-control functionality has been added to hashtags. Those functions are controlled by the various hashtag options listed under "Uses of hashtags" in the help for Hashtags.
/static/help#hashtags

Shal


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Re: a list member having trouble unsubscribing

 

Adding my 2 cents:?Cookies are NOT viruses. Cookies use a plain text format. They are not compiled pieces of code so they cannot be executed nor are they self-executing. Accordingly, they cannot make copies of themselves and spread to other networks to execute and replicate again. Since they cannot perform these functions, they fall outside the standard virus definition.

Cookies CAN be used for malicious purposes though. Since they store information about a user's browsing preferences and history, both on a specific site and browsing among several sites, cookies can be used to act as a form of spyware.?


On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 01:41 AM, Lena wrote:
On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 01:02 AM, toki wrote:
This is before one considers the security risks of self executing
cookies so beloved of FaceBook, Oath, and their kith and kin that engage
in conduct that requires divine intervention to be described as merely
malicious in intent and output.
There isn't such thing as "self executing cookies".


Re: Use of hashtags

 

Our primary use of hashtags is to mute subjects you are not interested in. Example #forsale
Ullmang

On Sun, Sep 9, 2018, 12:18 AM <dgrass1@...> wrote:
Shal,

I'm assuming the purpose of the #hashtag in the Subject field, is for keeping all posts responding to this example "My name is Mark #intro" together for archival reasons. Is that correct?

Don






Re: copies of sent messages.

 

Shal . . .

On Sat, 8 Sep 2018 18:53:58 -0700, "Shal Farley" <shals2nd@...>
wrote:

I don't use Outlook so I'm not
sure, but it is possible that it sees a message coming back to you
claiming to be from you and it decides that's not legit.
Outlook allows you to email yourself. That's how I test an Outlook
setup. If you can send and receive an email to yourself, then it's
working correctly and al the settings are OK.

That's not to say that certain email providers can't change that
behavior, though. If the provider won't send your own message to
yourself, it doesn't matter that Outlook would have it the provider
didn't interfere with delivery of your own messages.

So it comes down to the email provider. I believe Gmail has a setting
that can be toggled on/off for messages you send out that you also
receive back from a list. At one time, the default was to not send a
message that you already sent out, so you would not see it come back
to your inbox. That may still need to be toggled off to see copies of
your own sent messages.

I don't know if that applies outside of the web interface for Gmail,
though, like when you receive messages from Gmail by POP or IMAP. If
it applies to Gmail received either of those two ways, and if the
questioner is using Gmail that way, then I would go to the web
interface and find that setting to make sure it's turned off.

Donald


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Re: Is groups.io really unsuitable for my needs?

Gaute Amundsen
 

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I don't think you need to apologize _that_ much.

As I was saying, addblocking is a fact of life for webdesigners these days, and this could have been more gracefully handled.
I'm not saying it *should* have been, just that many would have checked this most central of pages, in the most common adblockers.

More importantly, this would have been much less of a problem, at least for me, if the compulsory footer was not quite so eager to "nudge" us towards the website.
But enough of this. I have gotten what I came for, and then some, to thank you all :-)

G.


On 07. sep. 2018 17:02, Duane wrote:

Apologies to all.? It was Adblock that was keeping me from seeing the links, as it was with Gaute, not Flash.? (That was over a year ago!)? Since there are no ads on Groups.io, I've disabled Adblock for the site.

Duane
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Re: a list member having trouble unsubscribing

 

On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 01:02 AM, toki wrote:

This is before one considers the security risks of self executing
cookies so beloved of FaceBook, Oath, and their kith and kin that engage
in conduct that requires divine intervention to be described as merely
malicious in intent and output.
There isn't such thing as "self executing cookies".


Re: Use of hashtags

 

Shal,

I'm assuming the purpose of the #hashtag in the Subject field, is for keeping all posts responding to this example "My name is Mark #intro" together for archival reasons. Is that correct?

Don