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ABD,
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In Admin - Settings - Default Sub Settings, I have set Time Display format to "Military Time" and the Date Display to "YYYY-MM-DD" but this is apparently being ignored in my Calendar and is just using and posting US standard formats. ?
No.
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It is your misunderstanding of what the Default Sub Settings tab does. It sets the default subscription settings for people who join your group. In the case of timezone and date/time format it only affects members who have not already set those. That is, members who've not previously joined other groups or set up their Preferences in their account.
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To control what you see, go to the Preferences page in your Groups.io account.
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Shal
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Re: Is groups.io really unsuitable for my needs?
Gaute,
I'm not clear on what you mean by this. I run a couple of Restricted Membership groups, most of the membership of those are "email only" - I suspect they've never visited the site.
See also Your Friend, the Footer. And comment on it or update it as needed, if you're so inclined.
In the early days a lot of effort went in to making the unsubscribe link as streamlined and simple as possible - many of the early adopters had run Yahoo Groups whose memberships were also largely email-only. It is possible that changes have crept in which make it no longer so. Specific problems, like having the text conflict with the layout of the page, should be reported to [email protected] as bugs. Anyone wishing to test the Unsubscribe link should be aware of a couple of things:
I doubt that. Not that many things depend on whether the group is listed in the directory, whether the group's messages are public, or whether the group's membership is restricted.
We can kick that around here. Ultimately the group is the official "Suggestion Box". If you go a few years back there you'll likely be able to find extensive discussion about how the unsubscribe link can and should work.
I appreciate your concerns, I've been running a group here for my kid's high school PTA unit and likewise deal with a few hundred parents who've no interest in having to "cope with" the technology behind the scenes. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
Re: Is groups.io really unsuitable for my needs?
Glenn Glazer
On 9/5/2018 08:24, Gaute Amundsen wrote:
That you can have a private group, and you are not strictly forced to use the web-interface. I don't understand this. It certainly doesn't happen with my groups. They are private and the web interface requires authentication. Best, Glenn [ad and political sig trimmed by moderator] |
Re: Is groups.io really unsuitable for my needs?
Gaute Amundsen
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýThanks everybody for the good responses :-)I'm aware of all the points you bring up. That you can have a private group, and you are not strictly forced to use the web-interface. The problem is that it's encouraged, and kind of breaks down, when the group is private. The reply-to: issue is separate matter, and of course dependent on client behaviour, but from my, admittedly limited, experience hand crafting mailheaders, what I want should be entirely doable. But all that is s secondary at this point. I guess it mostly boils down to the links in the footer. An example. When I click the Unsubscribe link, it's not a mailto link with +unsubscribe but a link to a login page. Not only that, but when you read all the fine print it asks you to "Use the Email me a link to log in button above", which is not above, but rather hiding under the "forgot password" link. There is no way I can ask my users to jump through hoops like this to unsubscribe. I'd end up doing it manually, and with loss of goodwill. The same goes for the New Topic link, etc. I expect this behaviour may be partially because the group is private, but I can see at least one way this could have been made much smoother regardless. Yes you can do without the webinterface, but you have to know all these things or read the docs, and there is no way I can expect that to work with 40 random parents of 6 year olds. I seem to remember a time when mailinglists were big and freemium listservs must have been plentiful, before yahoo and googlegroups made the territory a wasteland :-( Now its looking like I might end up having to sign up for some cheap hosting with cpanel and gnu mailman to get what I want. I'd much rather pay someone a little to avoid setting up and maintaining all that, but who..? Gaute PS. I'm in the UTC+1 timezone, so that's why the latency :-) On 04. sep. 2018 23:05, Bruce Bowman
wrote:
Gaute -- |
User naming issue
SBL webmaster
Hi --
I have a strange problem with the name of one of our users. This person changed their name some time ago, long before we transferred our Yahoo group to groups.io. This person's "display name" is set correctly on groups.io, as shown on the web interface. However, their old name is showing up in the messages that they send to the group, in the "From:" header line. In fact, all of the entries for this user in the activity log show the old name, even though the new name is shown at the top of that page. How is that happening -- i.e., how did the old name get irasferred to groups.io in the first place -- and what can I do to fix it? Any ideas, or should I send this to [email protected]? -- Dave Tweed |
Re: Can I move my Big Tent group to groups.io?
#transfer
Milt, and others with BigTent groups --
I've had some emails with Mark Fletcher about this and he confirms that if any BigTent mod wants to import to Groups.io, and can get their archive into mbox format, then they should zip (or gzip) the mbox file and upload it to online file storage somewhere. Then send an email to [email protected] with a link to the uploaded file and the particulars of the group to which it should be uploaded. Mark didn't mention it, but I would imagine the group's own Files section could be used for this, presuming that the archive fits. Which it certainly ought to if you zip or gzip it. Upon request, BigTent Support sent our group's BigTent moderator aThat's very good news for anyone looking to move here from BigTent. The dump was in .tgz format, ...That's a common compressed format, similar in function (but not detail) to zip file format. By itself that doesn't tell you anything about the file(s) inside the tgz (TAR GZip) file. and our tech guru, Bob Leder, successfully created a simple pythonSo your group's problem is likely solved to your satisfaction. For other BigTent group mods Bob's utility is probably a good place to start for a utility that will convert that dump into an mbox file. Mbox is a concatenation of raw email messages, so it may be as simple as doing a file capture of the messages after they are formed and then not sending them (don't call the SMTP part of the program). If Bob would be willing to make a version of his utility that outputs an mbox file, that would be a big help for others. The advantage of having Groups.io import it, versus what Bob did, is that support can put the original message Date: and From: information in place in the group's Messages. This is probably also an opportunity for those wanting to import from Mailman lists or other services that can deliver your archive in mbox format (or in a format you can convert to mbox). I don't think Mark is willing to take on the effort to research and implement conversion utilities from BigTent or other formats, so that part of the process is on you, the person wanting the import. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
Re: Wiki
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýKen,ive figures out how to make the ¡°table of my topics page¡± but when making a true ToC, what is the first line of garbage that appears in brackets (understand it¡¯s part of the coding for sub heading levels) but WHY???? The TOC is the one aspect of the wiki editor that isn't WYSIWYG. When editing you see a code that is a placeholder for the TOC. You can edit the number in there to change the number of levels, and/or the text to change the heading. For example: When you save the edit it will render as a TOC: ? Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
Re: why has my group not been transfered to io. i have done everything more than once. HELP. oscalelayouts@ yahoo.groups.com
Jim,
How long do i have to wait. Its been over 2 months.The backlog is currently less than one week. So check your In Process page, there should be a status box at the top. Most likely you missed a step somewhere along the way. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
Re: problem with groups.io
Sandra,
I have not been able to open up the groups.io site all evening. IsNot from my direction. I've been popping in to approve posts all day long (including yours just now). Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
Re: Members show up as both members and invitees (unaccepted)
vijaybhuchar,
Some of the invitees who have joined (possibly not through theIf they joined the group by other means then that makes sense: they didn't actually accept the invitation. Where can I suggest that when the IT people get some time there couldThat's a good suggestion. The official "suggestion box" is the beta group: You could suggest that the status change to "joined", to keep that case distinct from "accepted". Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
problem with groups.io
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýI have not been able to open up the groups.io site all evening.? Is there something going on? ? Sandra Pickens ? |
Re: Problem Subscribing
vijaybhuchar, I have noticed that his email address is of the form name@... ?where "owndomain" is his name.? I think that it's a virtual domain and the problem is that he might be using a bigger isp to relay his mail. There are plenty of GMF members (and members in my other groups) who use custom domains for their email, and yes those typically are handled by hosting organizations that offer that service. That of itself wouldn't cause a problem. As Toby and Jim have said, more detail on the message he gets back might help us determine, or at least guess, what happened.? Unlike Jim I think it is relatively unlikely that the service he uses would be so badly misconfigured that it fails the test Jim mentioned ("reverse DNS"). Were that the case the member would have difficulty communicating with just about any large email or list service - he probably would be unable to get a message through to you, for example. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
Re: Problem Subscribing
Jim Higgins
Received from vijaybhuchar via Groups.Io at 9/4/2018 07:47 PM UTC:
I have someone who keeps trying to reply to the confirmation email but keeps getting "undelivered" message back. I think you're probably right... and that there's a fair chance that the provider of his vanity domain hasn't set it up properly so the receiving server can find matching "MX" and "A" records that make it feel comfortable the source isn't a spammer or the like. In short, he needs to contact the folks who set up his vanity domain. But also... he's certainly getting far more info than just "undelivered message." Had that been provided in full a more definitive answer could have been given. and even so, the best advice is still that he contact his hosting service. Jim H |
Re: a list member having trouble unsubscribing
Jim Higgins
Received from Jonathan Sivier at 9/3/2018 11:29 PM UTC:
I got a note from a member of one of my lists today. She says she was trying to unsubscribe, but that the unsubscribe website makes it impossible because it demands agreement to the cookies before pushing the unsubscribe "leave group" option. I'm not quite sure what this means. It's an all too common (and false) conception that cookies are akin to viruses. They can think that if they want to, and you get to decide whether you're going to let them make extra work for you as a result. ;-) Jim H |
Re: Is groups.io really unsuitable for my needs?
Emre Brookes
Bruce Bowman wrote:
There is also no ability to completely disable subscriber web access to the group message archive, as one could do in Y!G. We have had a few people who didn't want groups.io to save the messages, only to relay them. As a group settings option this idea hasn't [yet] gotten any traction.Supporting this would be in the spirit of GDRP Whether or not groups.io feels the need to be GDPR compliant, I will leave to others. -e. |
Re: Is groups.io really unsuitable for my needs?
Gaute --
Subscribers are not forced to create a groups.io account, with associated login credentials or anything like that. Their email address IS their "account." This has both benefits and a few downsides. There is also no ability to completely disable subscriber web access to the group message archive, as one could do in Y!G. We have had a few people who didn't want groups.io to save the messages, only to relay them. As a group settings option this idea hasn't [yet] gotten any traction. So...groups.io can function as mail-only (similar to Mailman or a listserv) if that's what a subscriber wants.?I'd estimate that about 3/4ths of the people in my primary group interact exclusively via email and seem entirely content with groups.io. I believe they're missing out on a few things that way but it's entirely their choice. Hope this helps, Bruce -- The system Help is your friend.??/static/help |
Re: Is groups.io really unsuitable for my needs?
Gaute,
In the Privacy section of your group's Settings page select "Group not listed in directory, private messages" for the Visibility option. In the Spam Control section checkmark Restricted Membership. These settings won't prevent people from sending a +subscribe command to your group, or clicking on the Apply For Membership In This Group button on the group's home page, but it will ensure that anyone that does will be put into a pending queue for moderator approval - which you are free to withhold.
? It is optional. People you Invite or Direct Add to the group need not visit any Groups.io pages, they can receive and post entirely by email. See also the list of Email Commands.
? The +unsubscribe email command (see the list cited above) works without web action. The member will be sent a confirmation request by email, and they must reply to it before the unsubscribe takes effect (that's true of all of the email commands). ?
? Mail clients do what mail clients do. The best you can do is choose Sender for your Reply To option in the ?Message Policies section of the group's Settings. Not all mail clients will obey the Reply-To header field that Groups.io puts into the outbound message, according to this setting, and not all mail clients will recognize the list address for the purpose of Reply All. Some will display a Reply List instead of Reply All, which is arguably clearer. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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