When more than 20 invitations (or direct adds on paid groups) are done within 24 hours, there's a quick check done to try to head off spammers.? If you don't get approved in 24 hours, I'd contact [email protected]

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I sent invitations to a list as instructed. ?Then a message appeared at the top of the screen that said "Once your invites have been approved, they will be sent. ?You will receive a notification when this happens." ?What is the "approval" process performed by G.io? ?How long does it take? ?How do I monitor progress? ?Who may i contact if there is an issue with this process?
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On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 04:22 PM, debbie wrote:

The pending subscription will expire after 14 days. If you do not take action within that time, the pending subscription will be automatically rejected.", but it never happens.

My experience would tend to support that assertion. I wonder if (a) the use of Pending Subscription messages somehow disrupts the timing activity, or (b) resending P/S messages by moderator intervention somehow resets or otherwise disrupts the timer mechanism.

Chris

On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 10:22 AM, debbie wrote:

Is there some setting that I have to change to make it happen?

It should happen automatically.? (I don't believe there are any settings for this.)? If it's not, you should contact [email protected] with all the details you can supply.

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Does anyone still depend on Flash for any functionality!?
That's just asking for trouble.
It must be years now, since Google among others started deprecating Flash.

Gaute

Actually I meant Gaute, not Duane!

Duane

what browser do you use? Chrome? MSIE?

On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 07:04 AM, Jack - GM4COX wrote:

you are stuck with the USA format?

No, you can change that on the Preferences page under your Account section.? Click on your name at the upper right and select Account, then Preferences.

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On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 07:04 AM, Gaute Amundsen wrote:

Where is the "Email me a link to log in button above"? Its not there.

I ran into that some time ago.? Based on your screen shot, I'd say you have Flash disabled.? There should be 3 buttons under the "Or You Can" line, one of which is the login link request.

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Thanks for your help Shal.

I've tried out some test posts and it seems to be fine for new messages, so I guess it must be an artefact of our Yahoo Groups migration.

Something we'll have to watch out for when migrating other lists I guess.

Thanks again,

Brendan.

On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 07:37 PM, Michael Pavan wrote:

Whether you rename or not, if you change now to YYYY.MM.DD at least the sort will going forward.

I strongly suspect that something of that sort (pun unavoidable!) is by far the best option. If (for example) Mark organised things so that the months of the year remained in the correct order that might satisfy Glenn's original point but it would start to fall down for those who need to archive weekly meetings. The months might remain correctly ordered but a different sort process would be required to keep the (weekly) dates in the correct order thereafter.

Although it can be a frustrating process I prefer the concept of "how can achieve what I require with the tools that are currently available to me?" In this case I think I would have arrived at Michael's suggestion. Yes it requires some work to rename / reorder already - stored material but IMHO that is something that goes with the territory of being a Group Owner or Moderator.

Some months ago I got a headache trying to find a way of making sense of the Photo Archive for the Group I moderate. Yes it required a lot of work (OK; I'm retired so finding the time wasn't all that hard) but the end result justified the prior thinking and subsequent effort. Which reminds me of something I was going to request of Mark... for the first page of "Photos" to be a blank sheet that can be written by Moderators only but read by all subscribers) to set up an index of all the Albums contained therein, complete with links to the albums themselves.

Chris

Hi there,

I don't understand this. The bouncing message is unnecessary and irritating, It is quite common to have two moderators. I don't want to go and check every time?if my colleague?has already approved a post. If you want to keep it, fine, but can we have a toggle to switch it off?

Martin?

In the case of timezone and date/time format it only affects members who have not already set those. That is, members who've not previously joined other groups or set up their Preferences in their account.

So Shai - just to get my head around this, if you have been a user of .IO sites before the facility to set to the ISO or European format was introduced, you are stuck with the USA format?

Cheers

Jack(;>J

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Hey!? I figured out one mystery :)
I guess you said as much in a way as well:

If your browser has a Groups.io login cookie (that is, if you are logged in on some tab or window) then you will have a different presentation than an "email only" member who has never visited the site.

If the website thinks you are logged in, (it has an active backend session, I guess), then the mail it sends you contains a different url!
The "groups.io/g/<group>/unsub" url is sent to logged in users, and the other one "groups.io/g/<group>/leave/defanged"? to those who are not.
Clever :-/
Perhaps adding a remark or two about that to the /wiki/Footers would be a good idea.

Ok, with that cleared up I can see that the unsubscribe function would be quite fine for most people.

So that leaves the other footer links then.
I see those do not differ between logged in or not, and they all lead to a login screen if you are not.
Even the new post link. ( why not a mailto? )


<snip>

The links are there for convenience, and logging in has been made about as convenient as it can be -- no password required, no setup required, just "Email me a link to log in". And you don't have to do that again for 30 days (unless you log out or delete browser cookies).

Hm.. I see what you are getting at now, but I still find it missleading.
Where is the "Email me a link to log in button above"? Its not there.



I had to read twice before I decided to try the "Forgot your password, or don't have one yet?" link, and found it hiding under there.
I'd say there is considerable room for improvement here.

At the moment I'm also forced to concede that this is a "deal breaker" for my use case.
I can not demand of my only halfway willing "facebook natives", that they have to wrap their heads around this :-(

If there was one short sentence and maybe two links or buttons, that would work.
Even a section of small print below would be ok, but not this.
This is the first experience my users would have of the webpage, and on first glance what is says is "Pleas log in", "Or you can" and "Not sure".
Half of my users would hit the back button within 5 seconds of opening this page on Android.

You could suggest an "email-only" Subscription option which would provide only mailto: links in the footer. (oh great, yet another variation of footer!). That would eliminate many of them, but could still leave you with Reply to Group, Reply to Sender, New Topic, Contact Group Owner, and Unsubscribe.

With all due respect, I think I will leave that to somebody with more invested in this system than I.
It's good to contribute and all, but I have a task to accomplish, and don't really need a new hobby :-)

It has to be said though, that it's a pleasure to interact with a forum like this.
Thoughtful replies, inline, point by point, with proper quoting and all! :-)

Gaute

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Gaute,

You are promised "unsubscribe" but are led on a merry chase of small print and misnamed links.

It really shouldn't be that bad.

Well, I might be exaggerating just a _little_ for effect ;-)
You are however not given _quite- what the link promises.

I may have to go create some new email addresses so I can test it as a new user would see it. It is possible that some support requests or beta suggestions will result.

There could have been some kind of one-time token on that link to avoid the login prompt, but there isn't.

There really couldn't be.

That option was discussed heavily, but the problem is that email footers tend to get passed around. Someone forwards a group message, someone replies to a group message in a Reply-To sender group, someone replies to a group message and the site's footer-stripping code fails to catch it... You get the idea.

Some thought that spontaneous unsubscription might be a suitable punishment for letting your footers get away from you, but more sympathetic heads prevailed.

Well, what about the part after the /leave/ part of the url? It's not quite a login token I guess, but it would possibly be enough for me if it worked like the /wiki/Footers page describes.
I have not seen it "in the wild" yet, so its hard to know :-/

Also a spontaneous confirmation mail about unsubscribing, would be quite acceptable to me.
I get the issue about such links not being quite "airtight" from a security standpoint, but if the token was limited to performing just those actions that are linked to, and not general account changes, then I'd find that a good tradeoff for usability. ( there has to be a step after the link, requiring a POST request of course, to avoid robots triggering the links )

Regarding footer stripping, my strategy would be "belt & suspenders". Strip footers yes, but also look for the actual urls with tokens. Those should be much easier to catch reliably.
One could also employ various tricks with the tokens: let them contain a timestamp and revert to manual login after a few days. Let them be opaque one-time keys stored serverside for some days only, and revert to manual login after that. Not 100% airtight still of course, but its always a tradeoff..

Gaute

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Gaute,

Ah! That's interesting. Are Subscribers and Members different things?

No.

I've suggested carefully using forms of "subscribe" when discussing email things, and forms of "member" when discussing web things, however Mark has not taken that advice. He seems to treat the words as synonyms.

And in practice there's no distinction; there's only whether you happen to be logged in at the moment or not.

This differs slightly from the situation in Yahoo Groups, where there's an account ID (aka Yahoo Profile) that is distinct from one's email address. There members without an account ID listed for their subscription are considered "email only". They must add an account to their membership before they have "web access" to the group's pages as a member.

It used to be that many mail clients would snip away anything after a
line stating with " --" or was it "-- ".

The latter. That's still supported by many email interfaces, though some merely grey the text below the "sig" marker. It is defined in RFC 3676

Or perhaps it could be the "put it in a separate mime part" option? I
might remember that wrong. I did not test that :-)

Some email interfaces don't show the separate mime part. And groups that enable that option receive only the "plain text" format of footer, at least in individual mails. Unless Mark has fixed that (haven't checked lately).

Shal


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